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September 11, 2005, 6:50 pm PDT

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What i expect of this show is the THRUTH and only the THRUTH. I hope its not like nancy grace, a show only based by rumors and more rumors. 

 
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September 11, 2005, 7:04 pm PDT

GOOD ARTICLE

http://www.lostremote.com/archives/005685.html 

  

Aruba: Murder by numbers
As Coverage Mania of the Holloway story continues unabated, let's do some math. I know - we got into journalism precisely because we were told there would be no math. But let's do some anyway and answer empirically: Just how dangerous is that vicious, pirate-ridden, uncaring island of Aruba?

BY STEVE SAFRAN
LOST REMOTE MANAGING EDITOR

The population of Aruba is about 72,000 people. A conservative estimate of visitors in a given week is about 13,500. Total people on island at any given time? About 85,500.

Last year in Aruba there were two murders - possibly just one, depending on which stat you believe. We'll go with two anyway. No tourists were killed. That's a murder rate on Aruba of a little over 2 per 100,000, but we’ll call it an even 2. Or look at it this way: The Aruba murder rate is .0002.

Still, you can't go a minute without hearing about Natalee and you're worried. Maybe you're switching your vacation from Aruba to Jamaica. Bring some Kevlar. Murder rate: 32 per 100,000.

You'll be twice as safe in Puerto Rico as you would be in Jamaica. Still, it's eight times more dangerous than Aruba: 16 per 100,000 folks in Puerto Rico are going to meet an untimely end this year (with or without Greta Van Sustern caring).

If you're fine with 10 in 100,000 murders per capita, we can suggest Mexico, Estonia, Belize, the Dominican Republic and maybe Barbados during a bad year. Feel a little more secure in Costa Rica. Of your 100,000 friends, 99,994 won't get capped.

So, stick to the U.S. Virgin Islands. We run it. How bad could it be? Turns out you better leave behind a lot of clues if you're going there: 25 murders per 100,000. That's worse than ANY American city, save for New Orleans where shooting guns into the air is considered good, clean fun. The British Virgin Islands are more polite, but say “cheerio” to 11 per 100,000 chaps.

Screw it, you think, I'll just stay home. Now you're only three times as likely to be killed as if you went to Aruba, with the U.S. murder rate at about 6 per 100,000. The murder rate in New York City, from where Fox News constantly reminds us how dangerous Aruba is, was 7 per 100,000 people in 2002. And if your home is in, let's say, Alabama, up the murder rate to 7.5 per 100,000. Then wonder if one of your congressman will call for a boycott of your own state.

Obviously, there are safer places to vacation than Aruba. Go to Slovenia, Tunisia, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia or Qatar and you're golden. Go to Canada, and you're as safe as you could be. Of course, it's colder than Aruba, but the murder rate is tiny. And it's much less likely your family will be pestered by Nancy Grace. She's from the south. She hates the cold.

I got a certain amount of hate mail regarding my last column on Aruba media insanity. (Ironically,
Aruba Today's editor said she loved it.) One eloquent writer asked "Do you have a life?" I think it's pretty obvious the answer is "No, of course not. I work in news." One person asked, simply "What is your point?" Context. That's my point. I am not mocking this tragedy, nor the importance of it to the family. What I am so troubled by is a national media obsession that is making Aruba look as though it is run by the Sopranos. Before we ruin the Aruban economy, which is dependent on tourism, here is a little more context:

Natalee disappeared on May 30, 2005. Also on that date, five U.S. soldiers died in Iraq: Corp. Jeffrey B. Starr died in Ramadi, and SSGT. Casey Crate, Captain Derek Argel, Captain Jeremy Fresques and Major William Downes died in Jalawah.

There are currently 19 kids from Alabama listed as missing at the
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children website. (2 are from before 1980, some are indeed "family abductions" or "runaways".)

In South Africa, two young tourists were murdered the day after Natalee went missing.

LaToyia Figueroa, a 24-year-old pregnant woman from South Philadelphia, has been missing since July. She is Black. There has been just about no media coverage (except for stories wondering why there's no media coverage). Contrast that with the non-stop madness surrounding Laci Peterson, a 27-year-old pregnant woman from Modesto, California, who was white.

35,000 children are forced to work as prostitutes just across the sea from Aruba, in Colombia.

It's unlikely you’ll be murdered in Aruba, and it’s even more unlikely the news will care. Of course, there are ways to skew the numbers. It turns out you can geometrically expand the odds of having your story covered if you’re a cute white girl with an articulate mother during a slow news cycle. This should generate a significant spike in ratings numbers; after all, that’s the only stat that really matters.

Sources:

Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), International Comparisons of Criminal Justice Statistics 2001-Home Office Bulletin 12/03 http://www.ascotadvisory.com/News_Bulletin/9961.html

Georgia State U. Department of Criminal Justice Statistical Analysis Bureau: http://www.cjgsu.net/initiatives/HomRates-2004-05-14.htm
Iraq Casualties from Centcom.mil, via Iraq Coalition Casualty Count http://icasualties.org/oif/ Black America Web: http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/figueroa808
Colombia Journal Online:
http://www.colombiajournal.org/colombia111.htm

With assistance (and math help) from: Julia Renfro, Editor in Chief, Aruba Today; RD Sahl, Anchor, NECN: Jeff Gralnick, MSNBC; Tom Melville, Asst. ND, NECN
Posted by Steve Safran on 08/16/05 | Link | Comments (15)
 

 
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September 12, 2005, 11:48 am PDT

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

Quote From: rainiwin

My family of four (includes two teenagers) planned and paid for a two-week cruise through the Panama Canal, which includes a day stop in Aruba in February of 2006.  I am sickened.  I have contacted the cruise line to ask that they either skip the stop or put pressure on Aruba.  If they want American dollars they better give us justice for Natalee and her family.  Stop the coverup.

VERY EASY JUST STAY ON THE CRUISE SHIP WHEN IT GO`s to ARuba.  

 
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September 13, 2005, 6:18 am PDT

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

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This horrible incident has really hit everyone in the Birmingham and Mountain Brook, Alabama, areas very hard.  IT IS SO CLOSE TO HOME.  These are fine people and they had a beautiful daughter anyone would be proud of.  The Twitty's neighborhood is covered with yellow ribbons and numerous fund raisers have been held to help this family.  The Univ. of Alabama even held her scholarship for her in hopes she would return.  But it seems like its just not gonna happen.  My heart goes out to her mother and the family.  I say a prayer for all of them daily.   

    

I have heard that this type of incident is not all that uncommon in Aruba and that the 3 boys made a habit out of stalking young girls as a group and raping them.  Joran had a history of being a bully and being ordered to take anger management.  And Joran was so big and Natalee so small.  What really angers me is the fact that the father is helping in a cover up.  What an example for his son...   

    

The island of Aruba needs to be put on the U.S. traveler's warning list which is published by the State Dept. and used by travel agencies.  Also, I think travel agencies could do a lot of good by boycotting the island for honeymoon destinations, graduation trips, etc.  Hit them in the pocketbook where it hurts.  The island has a history of corruption and seedy goings on, so boycott them.  I know the population of Aruba are mostly nice people, but maybe it would encourage them to stand up against the corruption.  And, a good number of them did get angry at Beth's continued persistence.  You know -- it may be corrupt and a cover-up going on, but its their home and she was an outsider.  

    

Dr. Phil:  Thank you for getting involved in this situation.  The entire country needs to know the danger our kids are in when they travel to foreign places.  They need to realize it just ain't the good ole' U.S. of A.  We chaperoned a band group to Canada once and even up there the kids learned that the rights they had back home they didn't necessarily have there.   

    

Also, I feel the chaperones on Natalee's trip were not as vigilent as they could have been.  I've raised two kids and chaperoned many, many school trips.  These people just didn't seem to be as concerned about their responsibilities as they should have been.  I got the impression from newspaper interviews, etc., that they were along just to have a good time themselves.  This was not the way we chaperoned them in the Midwest!   

    

Please include the Twittys and Holloways in your prayers.   

YES put ARuba on the U.S traveler`s warning list, an island where 2 LOCAL people where killed last year. 

  

http://www.lostremote.com/archives/005685.html 

 
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September 13, 2005, 12:12 pm PDT

Natalee`s DAD COmment

“We have two years to do something and gain evidence if this is a murder case. The prosecution better have the evidence to go forward to try the case or wait until they do. I do not want this to be a mock trial and there be double jeopardy if there is no real evidence. I do not want the Prosecution to jump to any conclusions because they feel they have to do something.” 

 

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1591 

 
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September 15, 2005, 2:04 pm PDT

Sorry MIss

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I am from Venezuela and live in the US.  I've been to Aruba several times and let me tell you all something,  the legal system does not work, neither in Venezuela nor in Aruba. In 3rd world countries rich people get away with things, money buys everything This Van  der Sloot guy will never be convicted, why? because his father is a judge in Aruba, a well known guy.  

I've watched every night Nancy Grace, Greta Van Susteren and I've seen how upset they get (and we all do) because the case is going nowhere and frankly I don't think it will ever be solved I know how the justice works (or doesn't work) in Venezuela, and Aruba is the same thing. 

What about the hand that washed out in Venezuela? The only way to find out DNA results is to go down there with money and pay to get results 

Dear Beth, I'm so so sorry for what you  and your family is going through, I wish I could help you, I'm so angry at the system there, how they play around making time go by. I hope with Dr Phil's help something can be done but I doubt it, I know how it is,  those bastards with money buy anything 

Sorry MIss do not compare Venezuela with aruba, cause there is a world of difference..the biggest one is that VENEZUELA HAS A DICTATOR NAMED CHAVEZ
 
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September 15, 2005, 2:04 pm PDT

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

Quote From: mercedes99

If there is no cover up then why wasn't Joran's home and property been searched?  Isn't there a well on the property?  Did the f-16's fly over their home??
Yes they did,,,and you should just wonder how much it caused the aruban governemnt to get em!!! millions i think!!
 

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