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December 30, 2005, 2:42 pm PST

Didn't think honeymoon would ever be over...

...but it seems  that it may be.  We had our 9th anny this past Aug 2005 and the honeymoon has been over for at least 2 years...that's how long it's been since he's touched me or even acted like he wanted to touch me.  I was diagnosed with severe clinical depression several years ago, before we even met.  Now it seems that agoraphobia has added itself to the mix.  He knows all this and he knows that I am on meds for these things.  I had to quit working a little over a year ago because of these conditions and have put on some weight since then.  Actually I was already putting on weight even before that.  It seems that the meds have that affect on some people.  When we met in 1994, I was a stick, very thin.  However, I wasn't on any meds at the time because it seemed as though the depression was under control.  We lived together for 2 years before getting married and couldn't get enough of each other.  Even after we married, it was the same way.  Then he began having some really bad back problems and couldn't do anything because it caused his back to hurt.  Finally, about 2 weeks ago, I brought it up again (the lack of a marital relationship) and he said he wouldn't touch me until I had lost at least 50 pounds!  Talk about a slap in the face!  It couldn't have hurt worse than that!  His excuse was his back problem but I'm not sure that's the real reason.  For one thing, he's jealous that he has to work and I don't since qualifying for disability.  Believe me, the disability money is not that much and I would much rather be working!  I suspect there could be another person in the picture but he's really never given me a definitive reason to believe that to be true.  However, he has been working out of state a lot this year and will continue to do so for awhile.  I'm at my wit's end!  Does anyone have any experience with this type of situation that they would be willing to share?
 
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February 21, 2006, 3:24 pm PST

Is the honeymoon really over?

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Well,  you asked someone to share so I will,  they say if they are not getting some at home,  then they will get it outside of the home and I hate to say it but it sure sounds like that to me...same sort of thing happened to me and  the best advice I can give you is do something for yourself.  Please don't be angry with me, ....but I am also on meds for depression and I can tell you what I did,  find a hobby, something that you like, get busy doing anything that you can.  If you can't go for a walk because you are afraid to go outside, then buy yourself a treadmill and walk inside.....phone a friend and try to start feeling better about you.  there is no better feeling in the world then making yourself feel better,  maybe if your husband sees you starting to do something to improve yourself and your mood maybe he will show more enthusiasm in you......this is what I did.  I started eating better, getting busier, dressing a little better, singing in the shower, learning healthy delicious new recipes, reading really happy things and just trying to change my overall surroundings.  Wake up everyday and just try to do one thing that makes you feel better.  Once you feel a little better you can do one more thing and so on...and so on.  I don't mean to downsize your depression but just try it. 

It worked for me.....I hope it helps you too.    

I appreciate your reply and apologize for not getting back to you sooner.  I haven't been on the message boards for awhile.  You made some very good points especially the one about if they don't get it at home, they will get it somewhere else.  That's the weird part, though, because I have almost reached the point of begging him to make love to me.  I have certainly let him know that I am very interested many times...one of which was the time he made the comment about my weight.  He's coming home tomorrow after being out of town for almost 6 weeks.  I'm not sure how long he will be here and he may not know either.  My psych asked why I couldn't go with him for a week or so.  The main reason is financial...we just bought a house and don't have the extra money for the airfare.  Plus, what would I do while he's working at the office?  I guess I could go to the Dr. Phil show a couple of times...;-)  I'm not sure how far it is from where he's working but I could probably find it! LOL  Anyway...thanks again for your reply...I'm going to stick around and see how this plays out...I won't give him the satisfaction of being the first to leave...
 
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May 13, 2006, 1:11 pm PDT

Wish I could have seen this episode...:/

This entire situation sounds exactly like the 17 years I spent with my ex-husband only he didn't play the "king", he just didn't do a darn thing around the house.  Also, he was so busy trying to make our 3 boys (2 years apart each) his friends instead of his sons that I was always, always the Bad Person.  I had to take care of the house and the kids because he was an only child and had a father who was the "king of the castle".  His mother worked as a waitress for more than 30 years, getting up at 3:00am to be at work for the breakfast rush, and all his father did was sit on his very large backside watching TV when he was at home.  He made her bring him EVERYTHING...not once did he even get up to get his own glass of water.  This is what my ex grew up with so he thought that was the way things were.  I set him straight REAL quick that I was not going to be his maid but I still had to be the "bad guy" with the kids.  Thank goodness I finally came to my senses after 17 years and left him for the THIRD time!  This time I stayed gone, though.  However, he really didn't notice any difference because even though he had the 3 boys living with him, his mother had finally divorced his father and had also come to live with us!!!  Therefore, not a darn thing changed...she had meals on the table every night and made sure the boys had their homework done.  She cleaned house almost everyday.  He lived a great life until 2 months after the divorce was final, his drug habit finally killed him.  He died 10 days before Christmas.  I don't want to speak ill of the dead, but it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.   

   

I have now been married almost 10 years to the most wonderful man you can imagine.  We love each other dearly and cannot even imagine being apart.  I guess things work out the way they're supposed to after all.   

 
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June 24, 2006, 1:32 pm PDT

My Three Sons - The Moochers!

A few years ago we moved into a reasonably large house with 4 bedrooms and a large game room.  My youngest son was still in high school at the time so he was already living with us.  (My husband and I have both been married previously.  He has 3 daughters who live out of state and I have 3 sons who lived with us and still live in the same city.).  Just prior to moving into the bigger home, my oldest son asked if he could move in "for a little while" until he could get on his feet.  He was a helper electrician at the time and not making much money.  We gave him 4 months to stay with us rent free, however, after that time, he would be required to pay rent if he still needed to stay with us.  Then we moved into the larger home and here comes #2 son knocking on the door wanting to know if he and his friend (who happened to be a girl) stayed with us for awhile.  There were some other things going on with him, i.e., he had just come out of jail not long before and didn't have a job yet, etc.  We said ok but told him the same thing we had told #1 about allowing some time rent free and then they would have to start paying.  He and his girlfriend fought like cats and dogs almost all the time.  They should have never been together in the first place since their personalities are way too much the same.  He has ADHD and she has ADD.  It was like a zoo around there!  Somebody was always asking for gas money.  I was working at the time and, of course, my husband was working also.  We both had very good jobs so it wasn't a terrible strain on us but it wasn't easy either.  It became worse after the girlfriend became pregnant.  She moved out for awhile because the 2 of them just could not get along.  Then she called us at 4:30 one morning saying she had just arrived back home from the ER.  We knew she was about 12 weeks along at that time and she had had some really bad bleeding.  The docs were able to stop the bleeding and everything seemed fine, however, in the process of the exam, they did an ultrasound.  Guess what?  She was carrying TWINS!!!  I almost passed out on the floor!  Needless to say, she came back to our home that day and I got her in as a patient with my OB/Gyn since she didn't have one so she had not been to the doc at all except for the ER visit.  He put her on strict bedrest for most of the pregnancy and they lived with us the entire time.  She gave birth at 37 weeks to 2 beautiful little boys...identical twins.  They were in the ICU for a couple of days but they each weighed 6 lbs at birth so they really were fairly healthy to be 3 weeks early.  Guess where they came...right back to our house where they continued to live until the babies were somewhere between 6 months and a year.  I don't remember their exact ages when they moved because there was too much other stuff going on.  In the meantime, it was well past the 4 month agreed timeframe for #1 son and we told him he had to start paying rent.  We're talking about $300/month!  Where can you get a decent apartment for that amount of money in Houston TX???  Plus, besides his bedroom and sharing the bath with his brothers, he had pretty much taken over the HUGE game room where he had his workout equipment set up as well as his new black leather sofa, loveseat and chair, along with his entertainment system and gaming equipment!  He could find the money for that but complained about paying us $300/month since #2 son and family had never paid anything while they lived there and #3 son wasn't paying anything even though he had graduated from high school but didn't see the need to find a job.  He would find a job periodically and work for maybe a week or 2 until something happened that he didn't like, i.e., his manager would ask him to do something!  Well, to end this saga, I had to go on disability from my job because of clinical depression (do you wonder why?) which meant I was only getting 60% of my salary.  Then the company for whom I worked was bought out and I was caught in the layoffs.  That left us with just my husband's salary which wasn't enough to make the very large house payment as well as the other bills AND supporting 2 grown men!  We moved out just ahead of the foreclosure team.  We told #1 and #3 what was happening and suggested very strongly that they find other places to live because we were moving into a small 3 bedroom townhouse on the other side of town to be closer to my husband's office so we could save a little on gas.  I did finally find a job after 9 months of searching and it was a disaster.  I was only there for 11 months but that's a completely different story.  My point is, after writing this book, your adult children, for the most part, are not going to leave on their own when mommy and daddy are supporting them and they can use what money they make at their jobs, assuming they have a job, to buy their toys!  It took a major situation in our case to finally get them out of the house!  We are now back in a house but it's still on the other side of town and about half the size of the one we had before.  I am on permanent disability so we have to be extremely careful with our money.  We have made this abundantly clear to all three of my sons and, so far, they haven't even hinted at moving in with us.  Should that happen in the future, the answer will be an unequivicable NO!!!!!  Once you let them in, you can't get them out.  It almost destroyed our marriage when they were living in our house and mooching food and money all the time.  I will not allow that to happen again.  My #3 son will be 25 this fall, #2 will be 27 and #1 will be 29 (yeah, I know...you're wondering why I had three babies in 4 years...I wonder that myself!) and they are old enough to take care of themselves now.  #2 son is struggling because my twin grandsons live with him since their mother decided to move to Las Vegas...she's a "dancer"...  He won't ask to live with us because none of them are familiar with this side of town.  They all grew up in northwest Houston and that's where they want to live.  My whole point of this very long post, is that you CAN get them out....JUST MOVE AWAY!!!!!  You have to determine your own priorities when you have adult children.  When I realized that my husband was on the verge of telling me he wanted a divorce, I decided that I loved him too much to let my mooching sons cause that.  I wish you luck...it's very hard but you have to do it for their own good!
 
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July 2, 2006, 10:50 am PDT

He doesn't deserve to have you back

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If it didn't work out the first time, it probably won't work out the second time and probably for the same reasons.  He has already proven himself to be a liar and a cheater. Also, you said he was abusive and lacking in family responsibilities.  If you are not in love with him and do not respect him it is not likely that you will come to love him again.  But then, why even go there?  I know you have 5 children to think of but they will be better off with you not being with a man who has been such low life. Think of the example he is setting for your children.  Will they grow up to treat their spouses the way he has treated you?  Or will they be the doormat to be trampled on as you have been?  Spend your quality time with your children and if someone, other than your ex, comes along maybe you can find happiness with him.  But, you are better off alone than in an abusive relationship. 
If he agreed to go for a year...just 12 months! and then contacted someone else 6 weeks ago...contacted her twice...then he is not even worth the time of day.  You mentioned having some health problems  that will affect your quality of life soon.  Don't spend what time you have left with him.  He may have been your husband and he'll always be the father of your children but you do NOT have to live with that kind of behavior from him!  It wasn't worth it when y'all made the 12 month agreement and it's certainly not worth it now.  Think about this...you know of this woman with whom he had contact twice in the past 6 weeks.  How many other women have there been who you did not find out about?  Something about his personality makes it impossible to change his ways and he's not worth your time to go back to him and have him start the same behavior all over again...or, in his case, continue the behavior.  You have to search your heart and soul to come up with the best answer for you and your children, however, you asked for opinions and I am offering mine.  You only need to deal with him as it concerns your children...you don't need to live with him as a husband anymore.  Don't brood over him...get on with your life and live it the way YOU want to!  Good luck!
 
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November 6, 2006, 4:02 pm PST

This guy is a LIAR!

He knows what he is doing to his daughter and everyone else knows what he is doing to her.  That poor child should NEVER have to see him again...not even using "supervised visits"!!!  I can't help but also be angry with the woman he is married to now.  There is no way she cannot know what he is doing but she just sits there and doesn't say anything!  Is she so afraid of what he might do to her when they go home that she just stays quiet about everything?  Isn't it amazing how a fork was found right where he had been "changing her diaper" just after they took her to the ER where a 2cm tear in her labia was found?  For those who don't know, 2cm is approximately an INCH long!!!  Also, what was that crap he was trying to put over on Dr. Phil in their one on one conversation saying that the redness in that area was caused by a yeast infection?!  Any nurse at the hospital would know the difference between a yeast infection and what he was apparently doing to that poor child!  Some things have been said about the dad which indicated that he may have been molested as a child.  If this is true, then he needs a long course of mental health treatment during which time he should NOT be allowed to be around his daughter!  Frankly, IMHO he should never be around his daughter again.  Besides the physical pain he has put her through, she will have lingering post traumatic stress syndrome which could affect her the rest of her life.  At 3 years old, children are beginning to have the ability to remember things which happened to them even when they become adults.  She will remember a lot of what is happening to her now which will make her wonder why her mother didn't do more to help her instead of sending her off with that !@#hole every weekend!  There is no punishment bad enough for him.  He failed the polygraph and I would bet my last penny that he googled instructions on how to defeat the questions.  Thank goodness it didn't work in his case!  He's lying through his teeth and Dr. Phil knows it!  Now the problem is what Dr. Phil will be able to do about it.  Obviously the mother hasn't had much luck with CPS, however, I believe that Dr. Phil will once he speaks with them!  I know that Dr. Phil can make something happen with this situation...I just hope he does it quickly!  I pray that he already has enough evidence about the father which will cause a judge to keep that child from ever having to see him again!  Go Dr. Phil!  I have a lot of faith in you and I know you can help this poor little girl!!!  I'll definitely be watching again tomorrow!!!

 

Waiting for the outcome!

 

Honeyeight

 
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April 15, 2007, 5:53 am PDT

Mom Is Absolutely, Positively Right!!!

When I think of what that darling little girl went through while watching the show last week, I was almost in tears.  Thank God that Dr. Phil is now involved in this horrendous act on a 6 year old CHILD!!!  When I think of what that b****rd (excuse my language, but I will NOT give that man the dignity of calling him her grandfather), it actually made me want to throw up!!!  I was ready to go through the TV and do him bodily harm for what he had done to Grace.  Then we have the grandmother who, as anyone with a brain knows, is in complete and total denial of what that man did to her granddaughter.  It truly sickens me that he only spent 8 months in jail.  I do not for even one second believe his story about 'the devil made me do it'.  Come on...give me a frigging break!!!!!!!  That line went out about 25 years ago and now he's trying to use it to justify what he did to that child!!!  I know that Dr. Phil realizes that Grace will need long term therapy to even be able to cope with this situation.  Even with extensive therapy, I seriously doubt that she will ever forget it.

 

I will definitely watch the second part of this story to see what happens between Grace's parents and those two monsters who call themselves her grandparents.  In my opinion, Grace nor any of her siblings should EVER be allowed to see those monsters again.  Since that b*****d did what he did to Grace, what's to stop him from doing the same thing to any other of her siblings?  For that matter, what's to stop him from doing the same thing to other innocent children???  Are we going to hear 'the devil made me do it' story again??????

 

This male person belongs in a state prison for the rest of his life.  Obviously, we do not know where they live and it doesn't matter, however, I can almost guarantee that if they live in Texas, he would be serving hard time in Huntsville.  As a fellow Texan, I am quite sure that Dr. Phil is aware of what I speak.  This man is beyond rehabilitation and his wife is no better.

 

 

 
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May 16, 2007, 2:54 pm PDT

Never been there & will NOT do that!

I watched the show today and it literally made me ill to listen to that mother defend her husband and allow him to see the children against a CPS order.  I certainly hope that Dr. Phil's staff will allow the case worker for this family to see the tape.  I don't for one second believe that he was only in that house "for the taping" and Dr. Phil seemed very clear that he did not believe it either.

 

I am now married to my third husband, who, by the way, is the very best of the 3.  My first husband knew from the day we met that if he ever even raised a hand to me, it would be the last time he ever would.  My second husband was verbally abusive to me and to my 3 sons...we left after living with him for 6 weeks (5 weeks and 6 days too long!) and our divorce was final a few months later.  My current husband knows how I feel about this issue but he would never even consider such behavior.  I am very blessed that the third time is the charm!

 

Dr. Phil is the only hope that Lee has at this point.  He reminds me of my #2 son who also has anger management issues and a lack of parenting skills (he is the father of my 6 year old twin grandsons).  My son is now a guest of the Harris County Jail in our area and is looking at 2-10 years in Huntsville for a felony attack on a family member (his current girlfriend at the time of the fight, he knocked out her 2 front teeth during the fight).  As his mother, I have no sympathy or empathy for him as this is not his first time to be a guest of the County, both as a juvenile and as an adult.  Unfortunately, he has refused Anger Management even though he acknowledges that he needs it.  My son even bears a slight resemblance to Lee so this was a difficult show for me to watch.

 

My hope is that the maternal grandparents are able to obtain at least temporary custody of their 3 grandchildren.  They seem to be the only ones who actually care about these children besides Dr. Phil.

 

Dr. Phil...please help these innocent children.  They didn't ask to be born and they certainly didn't ask for these 2 nut cases (their mother and father) to be their parents.

 
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June 10, 2007, 6:14 am PDT

Been there, done that, burned all the T-shirts!

My husband and I moved into a very large 2 story home in 1999...he is the step-father to my 3 sons.  At the time, only my oldest son (21 at the time) and my youngest son (17 at the time and still in high school) were living with us.  The oldest was in electricians' school and working.  We had already given him several months of rent free living before we moved to this home.  Once we moved, we asked him to begin paying rent since he was working.  We only asked for $300/month which was a pittance considering he and his younger brother had the entire upstairs portion of the house (approx. 1800 square feet).  We didn't ask my youngest son to pay rent because he was in high school and wasn't working.  Then, #2 son asked if he could move in as well...btw...he asked this in front of his girlfriend and wanted her to move in also.  I admit that I WAS an enabler so I agreed against my husband's advice.  Guess what!  The girlfriend became pregnant!  Not just pregnant but PREGNANT with twins!!!!!  She wasn't working at the time and had no insurance or OB.  We were able to get her signed up with Medicaid and I took her to my OB.  Needless to say, she was considered "high risk" and saw the doc every 2 weeks...had an ultrasound every 2 weeks also.  I took her to every appt except one (had to be out of town that time).  My twin grandsons were born at 37 weeks gestation and did very well even though they spent 2 days in Neonatal ICU.  They came home, to our house, after 4 days.  All 3 boys, #2 son's wife and the twins continued to live with us.  I remember my mother saying that no house is big enough for more than 1 family and she was absolutely correct!!!  We were paying for the mortgage, the food, clothes for the babies, etc., etc.  Guess who got up with the twins during the night?  Not Mommy and Daddy!  Oh no, they were sleeping upstairs while my husband and I were downstairs with the babies who were sleeping in portable cribs.  I'm sure there are several parents reading this who remember the days of changing diapers and fixing bottles in the middle of the night while half asleep themselves.  This situation would most likely continue today except that my husband and I ran into some serious financial difficulties (gee...I wonder why!) and we lost our home to foreclosure.  By this time #2 son, his wife and the twins had moved to an apartment so it was just #1 and #3 sons living with us.  My husband and I found a small townhouse way across town and told the boys that they were on their own as to finding a new place to live.  I know this is very long but the net net of it is that I LEARNED MY LESSON!  We are now in another home very far away from #1 and #3 son (#2 son is in jail and will be for a long, long time).  The boys are welcome to VISIT anytime as long as it fits our schedule but they know that their days of living with us are OVER.  They are now almost 30 and almost 26 which is definitely old enough to make their own way.  They truly are doing so.  Fortunately, our ex-daughter-in-law and our 6 year old twin grandsons live in the area so we do get to see the little boys on a somewhat regular basis.  The point is...as a parent, you raise them the best you can and then you send them out into the world to make their own way.  I truly learned this the hard way.  Letting an adult "child" live with you and bleed your dry is NOT the way it was meant to be.
 
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July 14, 2007, 9:49 am PDT

Uhhh....WHAT?????

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     When dating at 50 don't make it a competition with the children. Don't run around and interfere with son or daughters date just so you can get noticed. You will embarrass yourself AND your children. Its good that your 50 healthy,happy and energetic. Just don't use it to drag the children down............

Excuse me!!!  I'll be 52 in Aug and look ALMOST as good as Robin...;-)  I would never say that I look AS good because she is GORGEOUS and Dr. Phil is an extremely fortunate man!  I'm currently married and we don't go out much, however, I normally wear make up and dress younger than I am even though I don't work outside the home.  I need to lose a few pounds for my own self-esteem, however, other people tell me I look great the way I am.  If I were not married, I would definitely go out, however, it would not be with my sons and their girlfriends.  My oldest is almost 30 and engaged and my youngest is almost 26 and has a serious girlfriend.  I have no desire whatsoever to go out where they go.  For one thing, I cannot STAND the music to which they listen!  I would find an "oldies place" (60's, 70's and 80's music) and go there.  I don't drink so it doesn't even have to be a bar.  In fact, if Dr. Phil or Robin (being native Texans...:-) know of a place like that in the Houston Metro area, I would appreciate their feedback!  I'd even drag my husband with me but I would NEVER "drag down the children".  Maybe when you get to be our age (seems like you may still be a little wet behind the ears...;-),  you'll understand...:-)

 

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