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December 14, 2005, 4:47 pm PST

difficult situation

My son divorced his wife 23 years ago due to her adultery.  They did not live together after the divorce but did have a sexual encounter.  She wanted to reconcile but he learned that she was involved with at least two other men so no reconciliation took place.  She became pregnant and denied that he was the father.  He has a tape recording of this conversation.  In due course the child was born and she filed for support.  Given the tests of the time the child was six months old when his paternity was established.  My son was the father.  The mother has lied to the child since his birth, claiming, among many other lies, that my son left her when the child was born.   My son paid support  on time, every time for all those years and she consistantly denied his visitation.  They were in court on the average of once a year as my son tried to get visitation and she jacked up the support payments.  My son paid for half of the tuition to a private hight school and she had him barred from the graduation for no good reason.  He had paid  for the first year of college, including room, board and tuition as well as spending money  when she took him back to court and tried to double the weekly  support payments as well as asking for him to pay all of the tuition.  He agreed to this if she would allow the son to control the money.  This she refused and the judge threw her out of court when she was extremely disrespectful to the judge.  She and the son left the courtroom in high rage and ever since the son has refused all contact with my son, myself and all the rest of the paternal half of the family.  He claims that my son "owes" him "a lot of money." This woman is also a convicted felon, being convicted of trying to defraud the federal department of Housing and Urban Development.  This occurred when the son was 7 years old and the son knows nothing of this.  We have a private detective report of her drug use, promiscuity and child neglect when this child was very young.  The child knows nothing of this.  My son did try to get custody only to have it denied by a judge who thought the child should always stay with the mother. My son took the high road throughout this situation  and has never disparaged the mother while she has consistantly lied and blackened his name, especially to the son.  She even started a story about me, claiming that my son was fathered by his uncle instead of his father. I am a very moral person and everyone who knows me is aware that this could only be a malicious lie.  It has been 3 1/2 years since my son has seen his son or had any contact with him.  I learned where his son is working and unfortunately it is for the mother.  He will not even give me his home address. (I suspect that he may still be living with the mother, although he is nearly 23 years old at this time.)  I send him emails from time to time but he will not respond.  We do not know what to do.  This is my son's only living child.  He had a child from a previous marriage but she died shortly after birth so this makes the situation even more tragic. We are open to any suggestions.
 
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December 15, 2005, 12:43 pm PST

difficult situation

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Yes this is a difficult situation. Do you think that since your grandson is living with his mom, that she is poisoning him against his father? That is probably the truth, and I know that is very hurtful, but the only thing that you can do is wait. Wait for him to break away from his mother's brainwashing. When he is out in the world and he learns that he can have a life away from his mother, that is when you need to attempt communication. The only problem is, who knows when that will be... Time will tell. Keep your patience until then.
Thank you so much for your response.  Yes, I know without a doubt that the mother has, does and will continue to poison my grandson's mind and that this will go on until the day she departs this earth.  Hopefully there will come a day when he gets away from her but I do know that she will do everything she can to continue controlling every aspect of his life.  She is a very evil person who is very adept at fooling people into thinking she is something other than what she is.  We do try to keep in mind that "what goes around ,comes around."  I cannot but help hoping that this comes to pass sooner rather than later.
 
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December 20, 2005, 7:33 am PST

How can I forgive

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Where I start? In my family we have all had to tip toe around my sister. Watching every word we say so she doesn't go off because once she gets started she physically and emotionally attacks, no matter what it's over.  

 

On my husband's bday she went off because she said Happy birthday to him while he was in a conversation with his friend, he nodded and kept going on with what he was saying. She went off telling him how rude it was of him to do that. She went on to tell him how worthless he was and how he wouldn't be a good father, emotionally or finacially. I stepped in being 3 months pregnant and told her to knock it off since I was used to this. She got irriate. She told me I needed to have an abortion because my child was nothing but a "worthless bastard" She called my brother and told him my husband threatened her, which he NEVER did, and I will swear on everything that it didn't happen. After getting off the phone she kept telling me to have an abortion so I told her I couldn't be like her, I wanted my child and refused to be a murderer (she herself had an abortion at 15). She then jumped up on a recliner and came inches away from kicking my pregnant belly. If my husband's friend hadn't been there, she wouldn't have been stopped since he caught her in the air. To say the least we ran out of that house. 

 

Days later everyone knew what had happened, but not the full story. She went around telling some people my husband pushed her, and others that he threatened her. She told everyone I attacked her, which if anyone was smart, they would know a 3 month old pregnant woman wouldn't do that. We never spoke after that. I decided then I couldn't be around her after everything she said. I wanted to enjoy my pregnancy and everyone kept telling me stories so I stepped back and avoided being in contact with her. My pregnancy was wonderful after that, I had a great birth and a wonderful daughter to show for. 

 

Over a year and a half had passed and I still never spoke to her. When I heard she had a miscarriage I decided to be the bigger person and email her. We talked back and forth and I told her I wanted to work on things but to do that I wanted to know why she did all of those things, and told her I wouldn't mind seeing her but she needed to have respect that I couldn't just allow her around my daughter right away, it would be a slow process. She emailed me back saying I made everything up, it was all to get her kicked out of the family and even ended it with, "when I'm gone everyone can just jump for joy" She always does this as a scare tactic to my family. I ended all contact with her after that.  

 

Am I wrong for continuing to keep her away since she shows no change? I have owned everything I have done and said but she refuses. How can I rebuild a relationship that she does not want rebuilt herself? I feel too much time and heartache has happened to me and towards my daughter that I never want her to have to go through.  

You are doing the right thing.  In my opinion it is doubtful that she will mature.   Although I am not a psychatrist or psychologist ,from things I have read it sounds like she has a serious mental disturbance and I don't think that she will rebuild a relationship.  Some people have brains that are just not "wired" like those of normal people and the truth is that they cannot change.  Go on with your own life and keep contact at a minimum.  To do otherwise will just mean more of the same. Also, you might read about conditions called Narcissism and Narcissistic Personality Disorder and see if you think any of this applies. Since you have access to the Internet all you would have to do is type those words in and see what comes up.
 
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December 20, 2005, 7:45 am PST

Broken family

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My mother past away when I was only four years old, my father was all I had left.  My father and my younger sister have always had a close relationship, and me not so much.  This has also caused problems between my sister and I.  My sister has always got whatever she wanted or asked for, but when it came to me, there was always an excuse.  I  think it has to do with the fact that I look so much like my deceased mother, and it is a constant  reminder of her to my father.  Still, this has been an issue I have dealt with over the past few years, trying not to let it bother me.  I moved two hours away from my hometown, thinking that it would be better for our relationship if we did not see each other as often.....at first it caused a huge fight between us, then it did bring us closer.  I am now 25 years old and ready to start my own family.  I am engaged to be married in 2006, and expecting my first child, suppose to be a happy time in my life right?  WRONG.....when I told my father of these events he seemed more disappointed in me than happy for me.  I have had phone calls from friends back home telling me that my father and sister have been running their mouths about me.  These are things I would expect my enemies  to do, not my family!!  I have not been the perfect child, but I don't think that I deserve this from my family.   How can I be happy when my family is making me so miserable?

We don't get to choose our relatives but we can choose our partners and friends.  If your family will not be happy and supportive of you then the best thing to do is find other people who will.  I have heard it said that our friends are sisters(and brothers) that fate forgot to give us.  Happy pregnancy, childbirth and life to you.  Life is a journey and will be, in many ways, what you decide to make it. 

  

 
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December 20, 2005, 8:00 am PST

Please help

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Ok i will make this storry very quick and meanigful. 

See i was dating a guy for over five years and we got engaged, we moved in but something wasnt working so before we could decide what to do my parents got involved because they didnt understand why would we get engaged and then he would leave. So when my parents got involved they called my fiance and told him why dont you grow up u are treating her bad. So he broke up with me. He said he couldnt be with someone who's family doesnt like him. 

So couple of month passed and we are talking and we want to try again because we kinda understood what we did wrong that we didnt communicate well and we missed each other and love each other and that we are like one person. So we dont know what to do now with our families, how to tell them and how to bring it up even. Because my family is pissed at him very much and that they think he doesnt treat me the way he should because he left after moving in together and that they think he acted very mean. And i do see both sides of the story that my parents were just trying to protect me in a way b/c they were upset for there child and i do see side that they shouldnt have interfierd and that they should of spoke to him in a no blamning no pointing manner by not calling telling him to grow up. So we dont know what to do, how to make it better between two families. I am scared they will tell me we wont aprove or except him and that would just kill me. 

See i have tried to move on with my life , but every time i do i think of him and what we had was so great , i am not going to lie we did have our issues. You know and this month have tought me so much that we didnt communicate when we moved in and that we kind left it like that. 

So i dont know what to do. How to even bring it up to our families. 

please help 

Reading your post I am trying to figure out if the two of you are together again or if you would both like to get together again.  If either of these is correct my suggestion is to get some counseling like pre-marital counseling.  The counselor could help you with communication skills and logical thinking about your relationship.  This would help you determine whether or not your relationship shold go forward or not.  So far as the parental interference is concerned you are correct in that they probably acted as they did out of concern but I agree that they should not have interferred and let the two of you work it out for yourselves providing that there is no real emotional, sexual or physical abuse involved.  Obviously, if there was any of this then the relationship should not go forward.  This is an area where the counselor could help you determine if any real abuse was involved  or if the problem lies with poor communication skills and also help you find ways to deal with parents. 

 
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December 20, 2005, 9:03 am PST

Broken family

Quote From: chloemalt

We don't get to choose our relatives but we can choose our partners and friends.  If your family will not be happy and supportive of you then the best thing to do is find other people who will.  I have heard it said that our friends are sisters(and brothers) that fate forgot to give us.  Happy pregnancy, childbirth and life to you.  Life is a journey and will be, in many ways, what you decide to make it. 

  

Something else occurred to after I left the board.  It's tough to go through a pregnancy, especially a first pregnancy, without a Mom to support and advise you.  I noticed that you are in Canada and I am in the US but locally the YMCA has what is called a Mentor Mother program which provides support to expectant and young mothers who don't have the family support that they need.  Since you are in Canada and I don't know much about what might be available there you might look in the phone book for social services.  Someone in one of those agencies might know of a similar program or be able to refer you to one.   You also might be able to type in Mentor Mother and your location in the search feature of the Internet and see if you can find anything.  Just a suggestion that I hope is helpful.
 
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December 20, 2005, 9:34 pm PST

Repairing Broken Relationships

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thank you for replying to me so fast. We want to start seeing each other again because we love each other and we relized that we are each other. 

And i know talking to a proffesional is good but i dont think he would go for that. 

And no there was never any abuse nothing of that. We were always happy been together for a very long time, its just we dont know what to do with parents. Because i will admit i made some mistakes about my family because after a while i put the on the back seat. You kniow we would more hang out with his family and i think my parents got a little left out and felt like it was his foult, i guess they felt like he is trying to get me away from them. And during this time we both realized a lot of things that u need to cherish a person and that when we desided to move in we didnt communicate we thought it will all just go away, but its not how it goes especially when you are moving in together for the first time from your parents homes its tuff in the begginning to get used to everything so you need each other to be there and support you and do things together like partners.So i dont know he thinks in the beginning we shouldnt tell anyone because it will be weird and then go tell our parents bc he is not ready to face them yet, he was too hurt 

  

Do you go to any church or have a religious affiliation? I don't think that either of you needs mental health help but advise more like a pastor would give you  since your situation might eventually lead to  a committed relationship and possible marriage.  In any event I wish you the best. 

 
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December 22, 2005, 8:39 am PST

Little mean girls

Quote From: lonalea200

 Yes every child is different. But it doesn't change the disipline that needs to be taught.   Too many little  mean girls is the blame for bad parenting. I brought up my point because I feel that it is due to bad parenting because parents want to be their childs friend not a parent.  Too many parents these days just give in and they shouldn't.  Making excuses for the child only makes things worse and takes the blame on what is really happening.   A lot of people blame child behavior as some kind of illness. In todays society, everyone seems to be concearned that their child has an illness wether it be ADD or Anti-social personality.  You know what, that is a bunch of baloney and those children who really have an illness get shoved aside. It also is a way the parents don't have to admitt that they have done bad parenting. So this is my opionion. I attack the subject as a whole and not an individuale case. 

Liz 

You didn't say how old he was when he hurt the dog.  If he was very young he wouldn't have know better but if older that puts a different light on the subject.  My youngest was also different from the older kids and when I say that I didn't sit down from the time he learned to walk until he started school except when he was asleep is not exaggeration.  It took a great deal of effort to keep that child productively occupied and under control.  He was very determined and strong-willed.  As it turns out, he is extremely intelligent and curious and this was the reason for his behavior.l  He liked to investigate everything and took everything apart that he could.  It wasn't destructiveness on his part at all.  He is grown now and a really great man.   Still has that spirit of curiosity and has many, many interests.  His wife says that she never knows what he is going to be doing or what new subject he is going to be investigating but is certainly keeps things interesting.
 
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December 22, 2005, 9:04 am PST

Amen sister bring back the good old days

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I know that I am probably in the minority, but I still believe in the good book, also known as The Bible, and the verses that say, "Spare the rod and spoil the child" and "Train up a child in the way you would have him go, and when he is older he will not depart from it."  I was raised with good old fashioned discipline, where, if needed, neither of my parents were afraid of spanking their kids.  There are five of us, all productive parents of beautiful and well mannered children, as well as self supporting members of society.  We, too, were raised with the "if you want something badly enough, you'll work for it" philosophy.    I decided that I wanted to be a teacher, and worked my way through college.   

  

Now, as a teacher, I see so many children with little, if any, discipline.  I have heard them tell their parents what to do, try to tell those of us in charge of their education and well being what they will and will not do, be down right mean to others and laugh at it, and I could go on.  I have seen children being raised by grandparents and greatgrandparents because the ones who brought them into the world don't want to be responsible for them.  Something has to change or the leaders of tomorrow won't know how to lead in a positive manner! Unfortunately, we live in a sue-happy society and one where parents are so afraid of this now monster called Child Protective Services that they are afraid to try to discipline their own children!  Don't get me wrong, CPS has it's good points, but when it comes to causing parents to fear having their children removed for discipline, that can be nothing but destructive!  Time out doesn't work for all kids, and there comes an age when, if you try that, you will get told exactly where to get off! (And I don't mean high school age either!) 

  

To those who believe in a little old fashoined discipline, I say "Congratulations" to you! Spread the word that it still works and does no harm. Oh, and for those of you who don't, please note that there is a definite difference between spanking and beating!!  

Although I chose not to spank my children I do believe in firm discipline.  My children are now all productive, rational adults and behave well.  Recently I went into the classroom to do some volunteer work with third-graders and was absolutely shocked at the way those kids behaved. Up out of the chairs, talking over each other, no respect for adults, and no manners whatsoever.  I might have expected a little of that kind of behavior from kindergarteners but not from third-graders. Totally different from when I was a child.  I do think parents are afraid these days because of the Child Protective Services, even if CPS has some good points.  A lot of kids are manipulative and I have seen them claim abuse that never happened while some legitimate abuse cases have gone uncorrected.  Other parents were raised so permissively that they don't even know how to discipline themselves let alone their children.  Sad situation.
 
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December 22, 2005, 9:18 am PST

Setting boundaries

Quote From: nalysse

Talk to your x and tell him that he can see his kids, but he cannot invade your privacy. Let him know the ground rules. Depending on how bad it is, you may consider getting a restraining order.  The only thing he should be allowed to do is see his kids. The rest of what he is doing is an invasion of your privacy. Making it legal, as to when and how he can see his kids, may make him see that you mean business, and hopefully he will get on with his own life and stay out of yours. If you don't do this, you may end up losing the relationship that you are in right now. How long do you think your new boyfriend will put up with your x's behavior? 

  

Good Luck 

Some men just can't let go.  Hopefully you kept a copy of the message he left on your phone because you may need to put a restraining order against him if you don't have one already. Personally, I would communicate through a lawyer rather than in person.  It is correct that he should only be allowed to see the kids and this should be under specific conditions and at specific times.  Sounds like this person has some serious head problems.
 

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