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September 19, 2005, 10:30 pm PDT

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This story about the abusive mother, Michelle, really broke my heart.  Michelle reminded me so much of my mother when I was the youngest girl's age.  My mother too called me a "drama queen".  The youngest daughter seems to get the worse of the abuse because she is the weakest target of all for the mother to bully and abuse, as was my case.  The oldest child is becoming damaged too and seems to be in "survival mode", and cut off from her emotions.  I'm glad Dr. Phil is bringing these topics to light.  Emotional, mental and verbal abuse causes such deep scars, you just can't see them because they are inside the soul.  It was brave for Michelle to come foward, but in my opinion, those girls need to be removed immediately.  I feel that they are already scarred and will need extensive therapy.  I empathize that Michelle was also abused, but this not allow her or give her a license to torture these poor children with her rage.  Dr. Phil is right, Michelle is addicted to the adrenaline rush of being in a constant state of rage.  Our children are precious.  I just hope that the right people intervene to save these poor girls.  Abuse is abuse.  And what Michelle is doing is clear abuse.  These girls will grow up developing maladaptive coping skills and a life full of self-destruction if the right steps aren't taken.  I hope these girls can be saved the way I wished I had been "saved" many years ago.   

 
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September 20, 2005, 6:42 am PDT

borderline personality

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When kids behave this way it is not about drama. I have two nieces who are in fact Drama Queens. They are also sweet well-behaved girls who get good grades in school and respect their parents. I know my sister well and have observed her parenting in many situations and am quite sure she rarely if ever hit her children or slammed them against a wall.  My son has a bit of this as well. A drama kid is the one who when asked to eat a vegetable goes into a gagging fit at the table. Not one who goes into a breathing emergency after being physically and mentally abused but her mother. I also saw my mother in this woman. 

  

For those folks on here who claim to be adult Drama People be assured THIS IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR. When this kind of behavior is pervasive in your adult life it's called a "Borderline Personality Disorder" and not a healthy way to live. I am a Psychiatric Mental Health nurse and I work in an adolescent treatment facility. Most of these kids - about 99.9% are not mentally ill but their parents sure are. The damage they inflict results in children broken beyond repair. We live in a society that doesn't know what discipline is. Most adults don't know how to behave in a disciplined manner yet demand "RESPECT" from their children. Respect is learned not beaten into a child. The respect some parents think they get from their children isn't respect at all it's fear which is not the same thing. I am proud to say that my 4 siblings and I were able to break the cycle of abuse and among us have 13 good, respectful and grateful children.  

  

PS. Some kids really do need psychiatric help and I know it. These are the Bi-polars, OCD's, schizophrenics etc - not every kid that acts up . 

  

Peace and walk with God 

  

Mischif 

  

It's never too late to live happily ever after! 

  

In response to your statement that this child will end up having borderline personality disorder is right on the money.  I know, because I have been in treatment for many years because of borderline because I was abused like these children.  The kids need to be removed.  These poor children will have a life of destruction and waste half their lives in therapy like I did to try to undo the damage that my mother caused me.  Not that we're allowed to give medical advice, but DBT has saved my life after 30 yrs of sufferring.  I pray to God that these children get someone to protect them, love them, and nuture them soon. 
 
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September 20, 2005, 6:52 am PDT

response to scapvix

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You're venting on a public message board is the very least that society owe's a little girl who suffered while others allowed it to continue.  I know from first hand experience what it means to see a child being abused but only from afar & get involved like I should only for the very system put in place to help these kids fail them.  You see I live in New Jersey!  I don't know about the other states but this is the state where cxhildren have been turning up dead whil DFS has already been called & they're already "looking into & watching the family".  All a family needs to do is move to a new county & not even a new state & it's like a completely clean slate.  And the reporting & *watching* by the adults outside the family but around this child (parents of students at her school) would actually be "breaking the law" to find a way to locate the child after school hours to call DFS.   And then when it was realized there were people watching they were   gooonnnneeeeee.  They should all have to register like sex offenders so they are forever under scrutiny period.  I'm sorry if that politically incorrect but seeing all the children in the past few years turn up dead has a lasting impression & these children have no voice.    

  

We are the society that lets them down & so if you need to vent  here on a public message board you go right ahead because people need to hear it.   

I'm new to this message board thing, so I'm not even sure if I'm responding right or not.  I read what vix had to say about her childhood.  What a terrible situation.  I too used to cry myself to sleep because I had wanted my "real" parents to come and take me home.  How could a mother hate her own child so much.  It wasn't right what went on, nobody intervened, nobody saved me, but hopefully with this subject finally coming out there will be less abused children because of the awareness that is being done about it.  We need to advocate for these children.  We need to break the chain.... 
 
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November 27, 2005, 6:10 am PST

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I have bipolar disorder. My symptoms began when I was nine years old and  I had major depressions.  Back in the 70's they didn't have the kinds of meds or knowledge that they have now.  My sister could have easily gotten bipolar disorder, but I was the fortunate one who did.  I fought depressions and suicide attempts and was put on medication that didn't seem to work.  I had worked since I was 15 years old taking care of mentally challenged, being a CNA  taking care of the elderly and Then became LPN taking care of the elderly... During all that time I had to fight the depression and hospitalizations.  I had also attened a community college and graduated with honors and earned an associate's degree and then went on and got my nursing license.  It has been a tough road and I used to beat myself up because I couldn't be like  "other people".  It's difficult to try to explain to someone, who doesn't understand, as to why you are so sad and depressed.  I've felt hollow and empty alot of my life.  It's been difficult but I had a purpose in this life and that was to take care of people less "fortunate" than myself.  I had difficulty with relationships with men, because they would say that I acted like I had different personalities.  It was true that I would have mood swings but I didn't understand it.  It was very confusing to me.  Some periods in my life I would do fine, be motivated to do things, become creative, and having fun.... but, the dark times were the worst where all I could do was lay in bed and cry and force myself to go to work.  I tried to hide my illness, but people all knew there was something "wrong" with me.  I felt hopeless because all the medication I took didn't work, and I would abruptly stop taking them out of frustration and being unable to afford them, and then I would crash and be hospitalized for a suicide attempt...  I had also tried to self-medicate with alcohol but all that did was make me even more depressed as alcohol is a depressant, that's when I would try to end my life.  Ex-boyfriends called me psycho and I lost alot of friends as I had worn them out with all of my problems and worries.  I felt like giving up many times, but did not.  I had still continued to work by taking care of people and that kept me going but my father also kept me going as we shared a place together and he said that I was the reason for him to live.......  makes it kind of hard to go and kill yourself when someone is depending on you for a reason to live.  Finally it got to a point when my father said that if I was going to kill myself, to just rent a hotel room and do it there, because he was sick of worrying about coming home and finding me dead.  I know he didn't mean it, but I was burning him out along with other family members.  I felt hopeless...... It's terrible to be depressed all the time and my mind telling me I'm "no good" and "kill yourself"  I had gone to therapy and took the meds. that did not work.  It was such a struggle to endure waking up every day and thinking "Oh my God, I have another day to get through, why did I have to wake up"???   

  

Then, when I had turned 30 yrs. old, I had increased one of my meds. on my own, because I thought I knew what was best.  Because of increasing a certain antidepressant I ended up going into full blown mania and psychosis, along with delusions and hallucinations.  I actually had believed that I was the next Mother Mary who came back to earth to give birth to the next Christ Child so he could save the world. I really believed this.  I also believed that I was the chosen one and that all my sufferring was worth it if it meant I could save the world.  I was hospitalized and finally diagnosed with the "right illness"-----bipolar disorder.  I was put on mood stabilizers and antipsychotic which took me out of "it"....  I had a great treatment team and a wonderful doctor whom I'm forever greatful for.  Things did get better and I tried to return back to work as a nurse, but the stress of it made me get sicker and sicker.  I've spent numerous times in the hospital for "psychosis and mania", but fortunatley I've been regulated for over a year now.  It is scarey to be mentally ill.  I also saw angels and things that "weren't there", but I know they were there, but people don't believe me cuz I'm mentally ill.  I too also thought my husband was the devil and tried to exercise him...  I could go on more and more about my story.  Bottom line, I am on disability.  I do not feel ashamed that I can no longer work, but I have to put myself first and take care of myself.  I also feel that I've contributed to society by taking care of the "less fortunate" for 15 yrs. while having a mental illness.  I'm more gentle with myself now and I take good care of myself.  I know my warning signs and I work very hard in therapy.  The meds. seem to work, but because I have Bipolar Type 1, the antidepressants can all of a sudden stop working for some reason and then I need to go through more trials and errors.  I have a wonderful husband and three cats and a bird that I love very much.  I have a life and I am a worthy person despite having a mental illness.  My life does matter. I have good days and I have bad days.  Main thing is to take care of myself.  I don't care what people say about me for having this kind of illness because it is out of pure ignorance and fear.  The biggest challenge of all was to get my family to understand because they could be the most judgemental people, but I feel the reason I am here is to help people to become more informed.  My family are very loving and supportive now.  It can be very difficult having a family member being afflicted with a mental illness, but they are not ashamed of me and they finally understand why I acted the ways I did years ago.  I couldn't help it.  Bottom line is, people who judge or make fun of people with mental illness---think about it, you could have been randomly selected as I was to get this mental illness, and it could happen to one of your own family members or child like it happened to my mother's child.   

  

Thank God for more awareness out there.  I'm greatful they have made advancements in the field of psychiatry.  There is hope.  I hope Dr. Phil has more shows on about mental illness because the public needs to be informed.  Afterall, we are people too......................... 

 
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November 28, 2005, 8:33 am PST

Bipolar Disorder--there is hope

I feel for each and everyone of you have bipolar disorder or a loved one who has it.  If I can be of any help to anyone by sharing my experience I'd be willing.  Just a background on me, I've had bipolar since I was nine years old (at least that's when the symptoms started with major depression).  I've heard that there is a bipolar gene that scientists have located. So, I believe that I was born having bipolar disorder.  As a child, I had raging mood swings.  I didn't know how to control my moods.  I only went to therapy when I was nine back in 1979 because they didn't have the diagnostic tools they have now or the right medication.  I spent many years sufferring up until my 20's when I was finally put on antidepressants because I had had such severe depression and suicide attempts, but the medication did not seem to work and I kept getting depressed.  I also didn't want to be labelled as "weak" or different from everyone else because I couldn't toughen it out on my own.   

I also self-medicated with alcohol which I feel that alot of people with mental illness do so that they can either bring themselves back down from a manic episode.  But, because I only reported the depressing times and not the times I was doing well, I wasn't accurately diagnosed until I was 30 yrs. old as having bipolar disorder when I had gone into a full-blown manic episode with psychosis, delusions and hallucinations. 

  

Now, I am on the "right" kind of medication.  I don't drink or do drugs, I go to therapy every week.  If I'm doing really bad, I go into a day program and "work"on myself.  I have surrendered and realized this isn't something I can control on my own, and it's not my fault I have mental illness and it doesn't make me "less" than other people.  I wouldn't wish this illness on my worst enemy.  I'm fairly stable now, although I had to go on disability.  I did gain 50# because of the medication, but I made a decision, I'd rather be "fat" and mentally well, instead of skinny and "mentally ill".  There is hope out there for people who have this illness.  It may take some trial and errors with the medication and it may have to be fine tuned, but think of it as having an illness like diabetes and your insulin needs to be regulated from time to time.   

I've also learned alot of coping skills and have plans in place, such as family members being aware of signs that I might be getting ill again, and they can decide to have me put in the hospital.  I am not my illness.  I have a wonderful husband, who was also diagnosed bipolar, so I know the other end of it too.  I guess I just want to say that If I have survived 35 years, then there is hope. This is coming form a woman who has attempted suicide more than I can count and one who was so pessimistic and depressed.  Life can be good.  There are resources out there and help.  It's a battle we all must endure, but never ever give up hope................ Best Wishes...........  

 
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November 28, 2005, 8:48 am PST

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 Cudos to you for sticking with it until you found the right doctor and consequently, diagnosis.  It's not easy is it?  There are good days and bad days and you just have to appreciate it when you do have a good day.  I, myself have psychosis.  I was diagnosed when I was 28 after suffering, undiagnosed for about 4 years.  I am fortunate that the medication I take completely relieves my symptoms.  I have been symptom-free now for almost eight years. 
     I am sorry to hear you are still struggling.  I guess you just have to be grateful for what you do have in your life.
     I couldn't agree more.  I am glad Dr. Phil did a show like this.
Thanks for your support.  I'm sorry you've had to deal with similar issues as far as not being diagnosed accurately until four years.  And, I'm very happy that you haven't had symptoms for eight years, that's great.  I'm not really struggling anymore because my symptoms are under control for the most part and I haven't been hospitalized for a year and a half, also haven't attempted suicide for almost six years, so that is good.  Like you said, we all have good days and bad days.  I guess the main thing is to keep hope.  Thanks again............
 
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November 28, 2005, 9:04 am PST

your point is a valid one

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Read the full version of these medications from the PDR and all the dangers and side effects.  Then decide if you would give these poisons to your child.  The fallacy they tell you about lithium (your body makes it and it is a natural substance)-read how dangerous and potentially deadly it really is. They will not let you read it from the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference).  They give you a printed version on paper-but it's not the whole report. (I have found a natural form from a health food store-but they won't let you use that one?)  And of course the biggest lie is telling you that a symptom of the disease is self-denial that you have it.  (It's like selling religion)  Do you ever seeing the Doctor himself taking these drugs, just to test their safety and effect.  Take some lithium and feel what it fells like to have worms crawling under your skin.  Go live in a mental hospital--see how the patience's refer to the "medication shuffle."  How they know they are just rats in a cage for the drug companies.  How the staff, especially the night staff will push the patience's buttons just to get a reaction for their own entertainment.
Haldol can turn you into a raving lunatic.  It will paralyze your muscles so you can't speak, so they give the antidote at the same time.  Others designed to make you sleep will create nightmares.
It is true that I've felt like a lab rat myself trying this medication and that medication.  There are some serious side-effects with some of these drugs.  I've also been "zombied" out with antipsychotics and "played around" with by some nasty hospital staff who like to push buttons.  But, it's not just psyche drugs that have risks.  I think most drugs do.  It is true that most doctors don't know how it is to take these "psyche" drugs and it is like we are being experimented on.  For myself, I've been on alot of different psyche drugs and I know my "side-effects" and what I can or can not tolerate.  Everyone's body chemistry is different.  For some, lithium works great treating their symptoms and their body can tolerate it, and they become "well" while being on that drug.  For me, I can not tolerate lithium at all, along with some other drugs.  And, I used to be against having to take "psyche" drugs, but because I'm on them, I'm not spending most of my life in some psyche ward, I'm not spending my time in ICU for a suicide attempt.  I have a fairly stable life now and it is much better than when I was not on any drugs at all to control my illness.  In the long run, maybe the side-effects are doing something with my body, but I know without them, I wouldn't be alive today to write this to you.  Best Wishes to you................
 
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November 28, 2005, 9:12 am PST

animals do help

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one thing that helps my husband is that when he is hearing things or seeing things is to look at our dog, pwecious, a shih-tzu--if she's not reacting, then he is pretty certain that it is a hallucination. 

Not only does she give unconditional love, someone to care for that cannot care for herself, she is gives him a helping hand with assessing reality.  She barks at every bug she sees, and every noise she hears, so if she doesn't react, then he doesn't worry as much as he trusts her judgement. 

Pets are wonderful things at helping combat depression and at giving a sense of well-being.  Animals can sense, smell, see and hear things we can't--so they are a good judge of when something isn't right- 

R. Adams 

I think it's great that your husband has your dog to help him out with reality.  I never would have thought of something like that, like seeing if your pet reacts to something. That's a great plan.  I myself have three cats and a bird.  I love them more than anything and it gives me a reason to get up each day to feed them and care for them.  They also entertain me very much by the cute things they do such as playing with one another.  I do feel unconditional love from them and it seems that they can sense when I'm "out of sorts", (depressed) and they come and give me more attention.  They don't care if I'm mentally ill.  They are my friends and my family... Thanks for your post.  Hope your husband continues to do well........... 

 
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November 30, 2005, 5:44 am PST

double pregnant

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Do you know anybody who is " double pregnant"?? 

What I mean by that is.. Pregnant with one fetus in say.. March.. has sex in May.. and gets "double pregnant".. so she delivers one in December.. and then another one in the following march. 

I bet you dont.. because once the body "thinks" it is pregnant, it does not ovulate again. 

The pill raises the level of hormones in the body such that the body does not ovulate. 

The same thing that keeps women from becoming "double pregnant" is what makes the pill effective. 

The hearsay about being on the pill and becoming pregnant is amplified by women who simply cannot face the fact that they deceived themselves and or their partners about a child. 

Give us the name of the website you quote.  

Try it yourself, ask around, most women know the first and last name of a woman who "got pregnant by accident".. you will find an overwhelming amount of under-employed women with marginal relationships make up this group. 

Women who rely on the 99.9% effacacy rating of the pill as "not 100%" are lying to them selves 

The drug companies call it 99.9% in order to derail lawsuits 

Dr. Phil?? can you ask ROBIN to get in touch with a drug company and check on the way the pill works?? 

  

I don't know much about becoming "double Pregnant", but I do know that a few years ago, there was a news story of a woman giving birth to a "white" child and  an "african American" child at the same time.  She was carrying twins, must have had two seperate eggs, had intercourse with two different men in the same day and boom---she had two seperate pregnancies all in one.  Interesting, Huh????????
 
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November 30, 2005, 5:47 am PST

rhythm method not always effective

My sister and her husband did not have "sexual relations" very often, but one day, a day after her menstruation was finished, they did.  A month later she was pregnant with my nephew.  So, I guess no method is 100%..... and, anything is possible despite scientific proof............... 

 

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