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October 8, 2005, 11:38 am PDT

Just a Question

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Dr.Phil I had a note for you but something happened to it so to make a long story short let's do this I am ashamed when women expose themselves to the public eye to get attention for people.  That's not the way God intented for this to be.  Feeding yes but not exposing.  I have kin that do this and I always leave the room because it's to me a disgrace that you think everyone should get a chance to see your breast.  If your going out for the evening have someone lined up for planning or short of notice and it will all be alright this way no one will have to know about any one elses business.  And if someone else is going to keep the child while you are out for the evening you can purchase a breast pump and they will have the  milk with them you want your child to have in his/her diet.  "bootom line if you feel that you have to do this in the public eye I feel like this is disrepectful for you your family and all of us that don't like it.    

  

  

  What exactly is it that is disrespectful about a woman nursing her child?  Is it that she is using her breast to nourish her child or is it because some woman in today's society don't find it necessary to cover up? 

  

I nursed my first child and I am expecting my second (Which I plan to nurse) and if I am in a public place and he wants to eat why should I deny him that right.  Or worse take him into a gross and dirty bathroom to eat?  I mean would you really want to sit in a bathroom stall for 20 minutes or more?  I do on the other hand believe that just  "plopping out a breast" is a lil rude.  I always made sure and will again make sure that I am completely covered.  But will that make everyone happy?? Probably not.  I think more people get upset knowing what it going on under the blanket and not just the fact the they can see a breast.  U mention pumping...this sometimes isn't the best option for everyone...I tried with my son and it just didn't work.  He refused a bottle.  What are we to do in those circumstances..just stay home??? 

 
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October 8, 2005, 11:46 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: comeagain1

I have to relate a story.  

When my eldest graduated from University, we had all gathered for a formal dinner to honor her. My ex husband was there with both his current girlfirend and the shackup he created a child with. As we sat in this very nice place with family (translate that as older members raised in a more polite society) the shack up, holding her child lifted her shirt and whipped it out. 

 For those of us  raised in a more gentle way this was not only offensive but horrible. My mother ( in her late 60's) and my grand mother (in her mid 90's) were terribly emabrrased. Not only for themselves, but for the woman with the baby. I could see by the look on their faces they knew that this woman had not been raised in a home  where discrestion is appreciated and expected. As the baby fed, the smaking sounds permiated the table. There was no attempt to cover up.  

My daughter, trying to be gracious, attempted to direct attention away from this woman, but she too was embarrased by this woman's lack of respect for others at the table. Whether you agree or not, for us,  this display turned a wonderful celbration of my daughter graduation into a moment that was uncomfortable and not remembered fondly.   

As you would ask us to be respectful of your "right" to feed your child when ever and where ever you want, I would ask that you might be respectful of people that have a different value system from the one you were raised with.  

Ps. Yes, I was providing her with the food...... the whole meal was at my expense as it was a graduation dinner.  

  

  

   I do agree that the woman who was feeding her child should have had the respect to cover herself up with a light blanket while feeding her baby.  Also if the baby was smacking the chances are he/she wasn't latched on correctly.  I do agree that she could have done things to make it less obvious of what was happening.   

  

What I don't understand is why you call her a shack up.  I understand that maybe her and the father of the child aren't married.  But what about this situation really upset you???  The fact that she nursed at the table or the fact that she was nursing a baby created with her by your ex husband.???  I think there was more to the story than you let on!!! 

 
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October 8, 2005, 1:01 pm PDT

Oh Bill Ur gonna start a fight

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Looks like all you ladies have some issues within inside your self,  

  

Do you go to your husbands work and help him during the day? I think not. If it wasn't for your husband you would be taking care of your kids and working because I'm sure your the type of woman that would keep your kids from you husband for the sole purpose of receiving child support. So maybe you should get off your butt and stop watching TV and surfing the NET all day.  

  

If you are such a caring and loving person you would be able to look past all of this and accept your position in life. Remember your the Mommy, NOT the Daddy. So put on a nice dress and cook some muffins for your kids and you husband, and have them ready for him the next time he walks in the door. 

  

Bill Jinkens 

  

  

Mr Bill Jinkens, 

  

   How many times have you stayed at home with  kids?  And when you did....did u put on a nice suit and make some muffins for the kids??  Or was it just a bowl of cereal???  What about the mom's that are married and working too...are they supposed to come home from work just like their husbands do and cook and clean or should it be a two way street???  If mom's work and came home and sat their butts on the couch waiting for Monday Night Football to start there sure would be some hungry people in that family.   

  

And the whole "keeping the kids from the husband for the sole purpose of collecting child support"  I hate to break it to you but there isn't a whole lot of men out there willing to take responsibility for their kids so they should have to pay child support.  Just for your info...i don't watch TV and surf the net all day..and I am a SAHM (Stay at home mom) just incase you couldn't figure it out.  There is more to staying home than baking muffins and caring for kids.  I do laundry, straighten up the house, wash dishes, fix lunches, pay bills, give baths, and make sure that something is out to be made for dinner.  So until you walk the shoes of a SAHM..I advise you keep the baking muffins remarks to yourself.....U want muffins....learn how to bake them yourself.   

  

MAN I HOPE YOU AREN"T MARRIED 

 
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October 8, 2005, 4:33 pm PDT

I have the show on tape too!!!

Quote From: shellyee

The same things keep coming up over and over. What I have learned from this is people hear exactly what they want to hear, even if it is something you never said at all. And when they find themselves with their back against the wall, immaturity insues. So, here goes; 

  

1. I have the show on tape. I was the one sitting the stage speaking and so I am the only one who knows what I think. Not only that, I know what goes on before and during taping. So really, nobody can tell me about me or how I think. I know better than any of you. I can guarentee it. 

  

2. The first thing out of my mouth was "I am not against breastfeeding". I am actually PRO-breastfeeding, very much. I made a very big point out of saying that. That seems to have been lost on a lot of you. 

  

3. At no time did I tell anyone to go feed in the bathroom. Dr. Phil and Syanorra discussed it, but I never told anyone they had to feed their child in the restroom. I have the tape- I can prove it. HOWEVER- SOME women act as though the mere act of stepping into a restroom renders their entire body and the child totally unsanitary. That is ridiculous. Thus my comment about wiping the breast in the toilet seat. A breast doesn't suddenly become unsanitary because of a change of rooms. They taped me in front of a woman breastfeeding her child at an outdoor cafe on the street. Their were car fumes, and tire noize, and horns, and planes overhead (we were near Burbank airport). I doubt the table was "sanitary". Not much difference really. But let's not say I said things I never did, ok? That's being a trouble maker. 

  

4. Syanorra said she should get to do anything she wants anytime, and I said it would be nice if people respected each others feeling and COMPROMISED. That's all I asked for, compromise. If you parents are teaching your kids that it's ME ME ME all the time, well, maybe you should to talk to my Mom and Dad, because I think they did a better job.  

  

5. To the people who feel it just necessary to attack me on a personal level- I am too ugly, I am going to hell, I am insane, on and on. Those are things people say when they have nothing to say. That is how grade schoolers fight, and you are supposed to be parents. You can't really be trying to hold yourself over me as the "superior" with such childishness, are you? You are someone I don't even know behind a computer screen. All you have are your words. Try not to sound like your infants. And please teach your children better behavior than you exhibit, or you will end up back on Dr. Phil while he retrains your ill mannered children. 

  

6. I am well aware that people get over upset when they are told things that they know are the truth, but it is still something they don't want to hear. SOOOOOO many woman posted here how it was 100% possible to breastfeed with discretion that it only proves that the women who do it "all out" are doing it only to prove a point and make a spectacle of themselves. That's the way so many people are doing things these days- it's all about me, you don't matter at all. Just read the posts. I think I proved my point.  

  

  

   You mention you have the show on tape.  Hmmm so do I.  And actually I watched it again just so I could be sure about what I write here.   

  

1.  Yes you did in fact state that you were not against breastfeeding.  Although on numerous occasions Dr Phil asked you what bothered you about breastfeeding in public and all you could respond with was..It isn't attractive.  Breastfeeding was not intended to be attractive.  It was intended to do the obvious...feed a baby. 

  

2.  The feeding a baby in the bathroom comment did come up.  U didn't make it initially but you commented on it.  U said.."I'm not asking you to rub your boob on the toilet before putting it to your child's mouth"  Well no one would ask you to rub your sandwich on the toilet but I guarantee that you still would not want to sit in a sticky bathroom and eat.  Am I right??  Babies sense of smell does work.  They can smell the stench just like the next person.  Not to mention..sitting on a toilet sit isn't the most comfortable and if a mother isn't comfortable and baby can sense it making the nursing situation even harder.  I guess on that note you could argue that one should pump.  Well that isn't always an option.  I tried pumping and got nothing.  Also tried to be "Considerate" and tried formula and my son refused it along with the bottle.  He didn't even take a pacifier.  He sucked his thumb...hmm he must of liked the skin feeling. 

  

3.  I am in no way teaching my child that it is all about me or him.  I do on this part agree that if one is going to breastfeed that there is no reason that the breast should be completely exposed at any one time and that a light blanket can be placed over the feeding baby.  But honestly I don't think even that would be good enough for you.  U still wouldn't be seeing anything unattractive, but the thought that I was in a restaurant with my child feeding even though he was completely covered..i feel would still bother you.   

  

I am expecting my second child in a week and yes I will nurse.  I don't think it is all about me.  I do believe that my child has a right to eat when he is hungry.  Don't we all have that right??  I will be discreet about it (Cover myself and him with a blanket) but I am not going to lock myself in my house, sit in my car, or in a bathroom stall just because someone doesn't like the IDEA of me feeding my child with my breast.   

 
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October 8, 2005, 4:44 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: kleewalter

I have never in my life heard of a woman having an orgasm during breastfeeding.  It is a fact that breastfeeding will enhance the healing process of the uterous.  Did I spell that right??!!!   LOLOL

  

  

   Yep never heard of the whole "orgasm while breastfeeding" thing either.  Wow...i don't believe that is even true.  If a woman is having an orgasm from breastfeeding then something isn't right.   

  

LOL and nope u sure didn't spell that right.  Sorry I could resist.  I have heard that it speeds up the healing process too..oh and it's spelled uterus!!!  LOL 

 
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October 8, 2005, 4:54 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

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2. No, I never said you had to get in the bathroom. So don't.  

  

3. I find it interesting that you can think for me- or at least read my mind. You can make a lot of money doing that you know. Watch the tape again and see if can hear me say I think COMPROMISE and DISCRETION are fair. Go ahead........ 

  

Later you can tell about how you read peoples minds. I am very curious about that.  

  

  

  But you did make the comment on "rubbing a breast on a toilet"  I didn't say that you said for them to go into a bathroom.  I said the comment was made by someone else and you responded with the above quote.  Re read the post. 

  

As far as me reading your mind.  You stated that one could leave or go to their car which led me to believe that even if one was covered with a blanket you would still find it "unattractive"  Why should my child eat in a hot car?  Take ur food to your car.   

  

Yes compromise and discretion is fair.  So is covering up with a blanket enough discretion??  Are you willing to compromise with that??? 

 
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October 9, 2005, 2:02 pm PDT

Finally a compromise.

Quote From: shellyee

People seem to equate merely walking into the restroom with instantly becoming unsanitary. My point being- "unless you are rubbing your breast on the toilet seat", just by entering the restroom you don't suddenly become unsanitary. That's the truth.  

  

Of course a blanket is a good compromise. Still, a vast majority of the public don't like it in "formal" dining situations at all. Actually, these are comments i have already posted, but I am realizing nobody is reading them, and I can't stay here night and day repeating this. Thanks for at least listening a little!  

  

  

  I do realize that some people don't want to see a baby be nursed in formal dining...but while I am willing to compromise and cover myself and my baby with a light blanket, that is where compromise comes in on their part. 

I never intended to attack you..it's just unreal how many people believe that a woman should have to sit in the bathroom or in a car and feed her child.   

  

I believe on this subject people are going to have to agree to disagree.  As long as there are laws protecting me and allowing me to feed my child anywhere then that is what will be done.  But like I said in all my posts I will be considerate and discrete.  Trust me I don't want anyone seeing my breast plopped out...and that's why I choose to use a blanket. 

  

While others may not like it, I have never had a person approach me about it..So I feel it obviously isn't bothering them that much. 

  

I hope that one day we as a country are able to agree on such a subject...until then everyone is entitled to an opinion, but one must remember the laws that are in place.   

  

Best Wishes Shelly 

  

Melane 

 
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October 30, 2005, 8:37 pm PST

10/31 "Spoiled and Entitled?"

  

  

Now I'll be the first to admit that my father spoiled me.  I didn't necessarily get everything that I wanted but he did his best to try to get me some of the things that I wanted.  We were in no way "rich".   My dad was a mechanic and my mom worked as the bookkeeper at the shop that he worked at.  The best thing that my parents ever did for me was letting me be a little kid.  I was able to go to work with my dad and play in the oil...or help "work" on the cars.  I loved just being able to be there with him.  My parents thought it would be in my benefit to put me in Pre-school but I would cry when my mom dropped me off cuz I wanted to be with my parents.  When I got older I still loved just being able to spend time with my parents.  I knew that they couldn't afford to buy me designer clothes and new car or other things like that and I was ok with it becuz I knew without a shadow of a doubt that if I really needed something they would do just about anything to get it.   

  

After having kids of my own I hope that I am able to instill the same views in my children.  I will never run out just to buy the new toy on the market or new shoes that have come out.  I hope that my kids realize that my love and desire to be with them is more valuable then anything that money can buy.  I am just happy that I was able to realize this because when my father passed away..I never thought...man now who will give me everything I want...I simply thought....I know how much he loved me and I am sad that I can no longer hear him tell me how much he loves me.  Just to hear those words from my dad again is more valuable than anything money can buy.  It's too bad that kids these days take their parents love for granted.  I hope that this show will wake up parents today and show them that they don't have to buy their kids everything they want.  Sure they will be disappointed but in the long run it will be the best thing that you will ever do for your children.  JUST LOVE THEM UNCONDITIONALLY....when they are older they will appreciate that more than anything.!!!!!! 

 
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November 24, 2005, 1:04 pm PST

11/23 Schizophrenia

  

  

It was so weird to watch this show because my neighbor is Schizophrenic and while watching I was beginning to also wonder about my older sister.  She is quite a few years older than I am and has always had a problem with drugs.  So I was going to get online and post a question asking is drug abuse can cause or begin the symptoms of schizophrenia.  Last night after watching the show I called my mom to talk to her about it and she said that she was also wondering about my sister.  After that my sister called and told me that she had went to a mental health worker and that she was diagnosed with schizophrenia.  It was mind boggling how that worked out.  Now I am hoping that she will start her meds and stay on them.  If anyone has more info on this disease or knows where I can get some info please let me know.  I want to help my sister as much as possible and as much as she'll let me.  Thank you 

  

Melane 

 

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