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November 2, 2005, 10:04 am PST

some thoughts ......

Quote From: tday177

I knew it would be hard. But boy, is it hard. It's bottom rung of the ladder.  waiting for food stamps, crying, lonely, destroyed. There is not alot of help out there. each day is a new day with new problems and solutions to be found, and abused people are not well people. I'm so sad today, there are no words. I have nothing I long for. I have no place to go to that I feel can comfort me. I wish there were a set of arms to hold me a shoulder to rest my head upon.  Just for one brief moment to be able to fall apart.  But there are web sites to check out to find out how  to get my clothes and my boxed memories.  And there are stop signs at every corner.  There are agencies to contact about housing and temporary financial help and there is the broken wrist preventing me from being able to work, and there are applications to fill out for work anyway. Hoping. There are hours to drive the memories from my thoughts and many tears to dry. There is much growing up to do and longing for my dog breaks me into pieces that I have to put back together just to stir a cup of coffee.And there is God to thank constantly for each new blessing that comes my way.  My day is filled yet nothing gets done and each night I feel futile.  And wait for morning. Maybe I will find my life tomorrow.  Maybe I will have to beg less. Maybe, Maybe...

It saddened me to read your post. 

  

I am sending you a great big warm long hug!   Do you feel it? 

  

  

Are you working with your local battered women's resource as far as getting you on to the emergency $$$$ and help that is available to you. 

  

Are you using all the state and federal help that you can use in your situation? 

  

  

Do you have family to offer comfort? 

  

Do they support your choices? 

  

Do you have a list of organizations that will steer you in the right direction for the resources? 

  

  

An abuse support group.....could offer a personal approach and some comfort and guidance. 

  

  

I know its a sad time with having to leave your dear pet.......and your home......allow the tears to fall.....get them out. 

  

Please take advantage of the sources available to you........the police, the shelters, the resources at the shelters and in the communities.   Your state and federal programs are there to help in an emergency situation such as yours. 

  

A church that truly has compassion. 

  

Please stay in touch. 

  

Take care. 

  

  

 

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November 2, 2005, 10:28 am PST

Call your state's domestic violence agency

Quote From: tday177

I knew it would be hard. But boy, is it hard. It's bottom rung of the ladder.  waiting for food stamps, crying, lonely, destroyed. There is not alot of help out there. each day is a new day with new problems and solutions to be found, and abused people are not well people. I'm so sad today, there are no words. I have nothing I long for. I have no place to go to that I feel can comfort me. I wish there were a set of arms to hold me a shoulder to rest my head upon.  Just for one brief moment to be able to fall apart.  But there are web sites to check out to find out how  to get my clothes and my boxed memories.  And there are stop signs at every corner.  There are agencies to contact about housing and temporary financial help and there is the broken wrist preventing me from being able to work, and there are applications to fill out for work anyway. Hoping. There are hours to drive the memories from my thoughts and many tears to dry. There is much growing up to do and longing for my dog breaks me into pieces that I have to put back together just to stir a cup of coffee.And there is God to thank constantly for each new blessing that comes my way.  My day is filled yet nothing gets done and each night I feel futile.  And wait for morning. Maybe I will find my life tomorrow.  Maybe I will have to beg less. Maybe, Maybe...

Call your state's coalition or task force for Domestic Violence.....they have resources and references for pro bona  attorneys that will work for domestic violence cases ..... 

  

  

Also.....I read a while back that you consulted a private attorney......and he wants to fight......I think by that you mean that he thinks you're entitled to things and you have rights......well, why not find out just what is entailed in that scenario?    Is that what you meant? 

  

  

You can have your belongings......and the police will help with that. 

  

  

They can make sure that he is not in the house or any where around when you go.   Is that an option? 

  

  

You very well may be entitled to stay at the house.......and He may have to leave. 

  

What did the lawyer say about that? 

  

I really don't know your case........is there any more you could offer here safely without jeopardizing your safety or whereabouts? 

  

  

Please be careful 

  

Take care.  

  

  

Write soon. 

  

 

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November 2, 2005, 10:44 am PST

You are not being punished .........

Quote From: ladybg

Thanks for the help! I am doing better today. Still sad. I don't want to get divorced. I know what it's like to be a child of divorce. My parents have been separated and divorced 5 times and are getting ready for another. BTW: all of their sep/divorces have been from each other. Weird I know. So I don't believe in divorce. My husband knows what he does is wrong. He makes up for it for a while after he gets mad at me. I hated having my parents split up as a child. I'd rather them be yelling and together than depressed and apart. Sometime I think I've earned this life with my husband. I've done enough bad things in my life that they are coming back to me. What goes around, comes around. Ya know. Thanks for all the help. I have a lot to think about and work through.

You are not being punished by some force of the universe or by God. 

  

  

My kids used to beg me to get divorce....I thought working at it and making things better would work.....I did and tried everything in my power for change......problem was, I was the only one changing.    

  

  

Abuse, violence and pain is NOT better than divorce. 

  

Your husband does know what he does.......of course he does......cause he does it on purpose to hurt, control and abuse you.......to keep you down......and emotionally upset......to say the least. 

  

  

Those brief interludes of honeymoon, gift giving , doing some nice things .....are all part of the cycle of abuse used to "hook" you back into his clutches.......back looking for love and the man you think you fell in love with. 

  

  

My kids used to beg me to get divorced from their father........so I know there are things worse than divorce.  

  

Do come back and post. 

  

Folks here will be wondering about you. 

  

Take care.  

 

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November 2, 2005, 11:13 am PST

Something for all to think about

For all............ 

  

  

Today, Rosa Parks will be placed in her final resting place at the age of 92. 

  

  

Rosa Parks, a small, tired black woman......who many years ago........... December of 1955........ on a public bus after working all day as a seamstress........said NO to the bus driver ........ she was told to give up her seat at the front of the bus to a white person. ......she was told to go and sit at the back of the bus.    She decided ......NO MORE............she decided she was not going to the back of the bus. 

  

  

She was arrested......finger printed. 

  

This  action on her part was the beginning of the civil rights movement. 

  

  

Rosa Parks, a small, tired black woman. 

  

Rosa Parks, an American hero and inspiration for all. 

  

One small tired woman who made a difference. 

  

  

Difference can and does start with just one. 

  

  

Rosa Parks, the first woman to ever lay in honor in the Capitol Rotunda in Washington, 2005. 

  

  

May she rest in peace.  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

 

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November 3, 2005, 8:53 am PST

He's been only nice

Quote From: guiltridn

The crying has lessened, at least for now. But I was the same way. It seemed some days that's all I did was cry. I worked long hours because that was the only time I didn't think about my problems. School is occupying most of my thoughts right now. It isn't easy learning how to study again. But it sure feels good to know I can do it! And my h thinks this is easy for me because I stopped letting him see me cry. He actually said I seem to be having fun with all this! I'm scared silly and he thinks I'm having fun!  

  

There's been so much over the years, especially since I put a stop to sex. I'd never done that before. After that he kept alternating between being nice and being nasty. I asked why he was being nasty and he said because being nice wasn't working. The last 2 years were worse than the 30 before it put together. I broke the pattern. He was used to me asking forgiveness for getting upset at his bad behavior. Then he'd tear me up and down for awhile, then decide to make up.  

  

But now for the last 2 months, he's been only nice. Sometimes I think I'm afraid he has changed. It almost scares me when he's being nice. I actually think maybe the outburts will never happen again. I was able to stop him from talking down to me in front of his parents some years back. I think he finally realizes I'm serious about this. The trouble is, I don't know if I could ever feel close to him and want to have sex with him again. Maybe I could forgive him, but how would I ever forget the things he said. Does anyone ever recover from abuse? Can a person fall back in love with someone who was so mean? He said I should have nipped this in the bud a long time ago. I said if I had, this same thing would have happened, just a lot sooner.  

  

Every day part of me wants to go back. I miss my house, my garden, my old life. But something always stops me. We're supposed to be in counceling, but it was thru work and he quit, again(he does that a lot). He didn't like the counceling because he was worried what she thought of him. It wasn't doing much good anyway, because she didn't seem concerned about the last 30 years. She just kept asking" but how did he treat you the last 2 weeks?" 

He's been only nice.........for 2 months........well, .......don't  you fret..........he hasn't change. 

  

These men can go for long periods of time just being nice........part of the cycle of abuse.......have you familiarized yourself with those tactics and details?    I can offer web sites to educated you on the dynamics of abuse.........the way the cycle plays itself out, etc.     

  

Do you need to read that material?   Have you already? 

  

2 months is not a true test of time..................and remember you are only seeing what he wants you to see when you have to interact with him.........remember manipulation , remember the tactics.  Remember the things that he said and did........what help has he gotten to learn another way of being in the world? 

  

  

Most experts in the field of domestic abuse, violence, make note that if he were to be one of the rare, very rare men that are willing to really change............then the observation time.......at the least......is at least a full year.   A FULL YEAR , at the least!!!!!! 

  

  

I have empathy for you .......that you miss your house, your garden.......a life that you wish were really true.......a life that you never really had did you?   Wasn't  the abuse there thru-out the years? 

  

Do ya think that being nice ........isn't part of why you consider going back.....believing that you could handle him.......with your boundaries........do you really think this man has taken the time to go inside and do all his "own homework"? 

  

You know your abuser, better than I do.......however........the facts, studies, statistics, and experts do know something. 

  

  

As far as the counselor that you used in the past.......well, she was just trying to get a feel for his behavior........in the present time. .....  its interesting to me that even though she gave him that benefit of the doubt.......he still wouldn't open up and work in the session......more concerned about what she thought of him.     Not concerned with getting things on track with you or especially with himself. 

  

So much of what you're feeling is normal after being in a relationship of abuse......the longing, the wishing......the hoping.......the bits and pieces of normal that can seem huge........because we want it so bad......the fear......the uncertainty........the feeling of being alone.....the longing for a pair of arms around us.......a safe place to fall. 

  

  

At least one year! 

  

At least 1 year! 

  

  

  

  

  

I do hope that you are getting support  from a support group that can help explain the stages you will pass thru.......the journey gets easier with support. 

  

  

Take care.  

  

  

  

  

  

 

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November 3, 2005, 8:59 am PST

experience

Experience is what enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. 

  

  

Earl Wilson 

 

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November 3, 2005, 9:08 am PST

Watch Oprah's show today on ABUSE

Ladies, 

  

Heads up! 

  

  

Today's Oprah show is a must see. 

  

  

Tape it, DVD it.......record it if you can't catch it when it comes on. 

  

  

I haven't seen it yet.......just the announcements for the show. 

  

  

Looks like it will be a real eye opener. 

  

  

Try to at least read her web site regarding the matter if you are unable to take in the show. 

  

  

 

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November 4, 2005, 8:32 pm PST

Cybilone......are you out there?

Cybilone......are you out there? 

  

  

Its been a long while since you and I have spoken to one another on these boards........I was away from the boards for a very long period. 

  

If you remember my old board name......please don't blurt it out........we used to spend many a time conversing in a string of dialog.  Do you remember? 

  

  

Well, I just wondered if you ever stop in from time to time.    

  

Do you remember I had an  aged  kitty.........I wouldn't give out the name here in this public forum.......so you gave the kitty a name........oh, dear......I just can't this minute .....remember what you did call my kitty.   My memory fails me on that.  

  

Anyway, just wanted to connect. 

  

  

Hope you are well......and happy. 

  

Take care. 

 

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November 4, 2005, 9:06 pm PST

I'm having some difficulty with ......

Quote From: beachcat10

I spoke with my husbands attorneys today and he is going to get out of jail next week. But he will be staying at a hotel. I don't think this sounds right that he has a vacation when he needs treatment. Does anyone know what type of treatments or therapies I can request ?

difficulty with your post........If he was arrested for Domestic Violence......then he does not need treatment.......he is not sick............he needed jail time........Domestic Violence is a crime! 

  

Domestic Violence is a crime........Domestic violence is a choice .......a choice he made of his own free will.   His actions were a choice. 

  

  

Usually when some one commits the crime of domestic violence........they are mandated by the courts to attend Domestic Violence classes.  Court mandated and attendance is tracked.  

  

  

I am truly concerned that you are requesting help for him.......don't you want help for YOU. 

  

Are you getting therapy for yourself .........and /or support for yourself........through a domestic violence resource, legal advice for you the victim of his crime? 

  

  

Its not up to you to get him help......its up to him. 

  

One of the consequences of his actions is that he must take responsibility for them.   Then he needs to take responsibility for making sure he finds a way to make the right choices from that point on.......he needs to seek counseling for himself.   Alone with a counselor who is educated and informed on the dynamics of abuse.     He has to take responsibility for his own problem. 

  

  

Its NOT up to you to take care of him..................YOU need to take care of YOURSELF! 

  

  

Am I making sense to you? 

  

  

You need to have help from domestic violence experts with legal advocacy, a safety plan for when he gets out.     A safety plan is so important.   You need to have one.     

  

Tell me what do you think? 

  

  

Continue to write us.  

  

Take care.  

 

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November 4, 2005, 10:02 pm PST

Its strange.....as you suggested and its

Quote From: leolady811

This is a far reach for me, but I figured I would give this a try.  I am so embarrassed and yet so confused that I am trying to understand if what I am about to mention is something of my fault or simply me overreacting to normal marriage compromising;  My husband is anal regarding my "bra's" and what tops I wear in public.  Let me set the the record straight first - I dress normal - nothing to see and am not premiscuous.  He has this thing about checking out my bra's and making sure they are padded and not see through AT ALL.  Even after I had shopped and spent $100's on new bra's - ones that were the most padded I could possibly find - he is still funny about them... YET - he has this other thing he calls our adult time - and wants me to go braless whenever it suits him for a nite out.  I know this sounds strange in general.  It IS strange actually.  It is a form of control I think.  We have been married for 11 years - we do not sleep in the same bed due to my tossing and turning and his inability to sleep without a tv on, we are completely opposites in personality yet we both have much love for eachother.  However - for 9 out of the 11 years, I have been dealing with this issue!  At first I thought possibly something COULD be seen, yet years later, I realized that  even a simple bump or crease in the padding of the bra he fretted being a nipple... and so it goes.  At this point, I feel humiliated, stripped of much of my dignity and rights as an adult and female not to mention, embarrassed.  I have somewhat distanced myself from him sexually due to the fact that I now hold a great deal of resentment.  I have become very angry and feel that if I can't wear normal bra's and clothing - then why should he be able to watch ANY nudity on tv - even R rated movies.  He believes it is comparing apples and oranges.  It seems to me that he has double standards and is being a hyprocrit.  I comply once in a while with his request to go topless for the sake of holding onto our marriage, making him happy and keeping his interest on me, yet I literally feel a wave of sickness and hatred toward him when this happens - however I have learned to hide it well and just move on.  I guess my question is,  what IS the fine line between compromsing for a marriages sake and just getting to a point of realizing it isn't worth it and it is just his problem to deal with on his own?   I do not even know at this point HOW to be honest with MYSELF about how I truly feel over this.  I have changed a great deal from the person I was years ago - and feel very unsettled and out of my skin, so to speak.  I also must add, he is not persistant in his requests for "adult" time, but I feel guilty if I don't comply.  He has indicated that this is what he looks forward to and what he thinks about to keep him going during the times we are unable to be intimate.  There is so much more to it - but for now - this is the main issue I need to find answers to!  Any help - similar situations - or just a ear to listen and respond would be greatly appreciated!  Signed,  Leolady or Loserlady???

humiliating........its also a form of abuse......sexual abuse.......a reason why it leaves you feeling so badly.........you are not compromising to keep a marriage..........you are  allowing him to abuse you in this manner..............he's parading you for others out in public..........the fact that you  must go out and spend loads of $$$ to cover up because he wants it that way.......still your clothing isn't at all enough and yet on the other hand he wants you "without"............on his game night. 

  

  

You are being forced into sexual acts and behavior that is degrading to you.....thus your  feelings are justified. 

  

Let me  say........YOU ARE NOT A LOSER. 

  

You are being abused and I dare say there is more to this situation......much more.  

  

Abuse is about    POWER AND CONTROL.   just as you mentioned.  

  

There are men out there who as part of their abuse......force their partners to go without underwear when having to go shopping for shoes......imagine being seated in a store and having a salesperson help you try on shoes. 

  

When you have to give up yourself....and your own wishes.........your values........your morals........ in order to be in any relationship......it is costing you a lot.......a whole lot............as Dr. Phil says " what is it costing you to be in this relationship"........"never give more than you can afford to lose." 

  

  

A good reference book.........The Battered Woman.......by Lenore Walker...........in there you will find information  regarding many forms of sexual abuse.....weird requests......that  the abuser will make sound harmless or say is  just for fun........they are master manipulators. 

  

When you feel something is true in your heart, your gut and your instincts also scream out to you.....you're right. 

  

Obviously you are being talked into it in some way....whether with words, body language, facial expressions....etc............overlooking your own thoughts and feelings........you end up with guilt and go along to get along.......isn't that sad? 

  

  

I hope I haven't  upset you ........with this information .....however...I think you are feeling that this is abuse, control. 

  

  

Your thoughts on my post? 

  

  

  

  

  

 

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