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May 26, 2006, 5:39 am PDT

You are part of the problem

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Yes this is a sickness. I am a LPN and hate to disagree with you, but it is an illness. No one who drinks that first beer or whatever drink they choose does it because they want to become an alcoholic. They usually do it because everyone else is doing it. Usually it is started at a young, impressionable age. Yes, there is a choice to take that first drink, but there is no choice as to becoming an alcoholic. I applaude you for making that choice everyday to not drink or do drugs, but there are people out there that can not make that choice without professional help. Thanks Dr. Phil for the work you are doing with this family.
You may be an LPN, but you are still wrong.  Of course nobody wakes up one morning and says "I think I will become an alcoholic today", but if you don't know that from that first drink you may be on the road to alcoholism, you are truly uneducated.  Of course anyone who chooses to stop drinking needs support, but sitting around boo hooing about how your can't help it because of your "illness" doesn't cut it.  When was the last time you heard about an accident that killed a child when the driver was driving with cancer?  And as far as drinking because "everybody else is doing it" that is the most ignorant statement I have heard.  Like my parents used to tell me, "if everybody jumped of the tallest building in the world, would you?"  Yes rehabs and AA are a great place to start, and a great help, but unless you take personal responsibility, you will alway remain a "victiim" and never become and "OVERCOMMER".
 
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May 26, 2006, 8:21 am PDT

I have to respectfully disagress

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Sorry, but you need to step back for a minute and think about what you're saying!    

  

You say a disease is an illness that is "beyond your control".  That's simply not true.  If you look at a list of our top 10 killer diseases, almost all of them are caused or influenced by behaviors that are within our control.  If a smoker develops lung cancer, would you tell him he doesn't have a disease?  If an obese person develops diabetes, does she not have a disease?  If a guy with high cholesterol keeps eating eggs and develops heart problems, does he not have a disease? 

  

You're applying moral judgments to a scientific concept, which leads me to believe you may have had a raging alcoholic in your life who claimed their actions were the result of a "disease".  Of course, this is wrong, but not because he/she called it a "disease".  It's wrong because he/she chose not to treat the disease.   

  

It's the same thing as if a diabetic stopped taking insulin or stopped watching their diet. 

  

  

I think you are wrong.  Yes there are factors that can cause a disease, but it is not always the case.  Has there never been a case of one who developed lung cancer and yet never smoked?  Are you saying only overweight people get diabetes?  Yes there are cases (and maybe most cases) where and illness is caused by your life choices.  If an alcoholic develops liver disease, then yes he has a disease.  The disease is liver disease caused by his CHOICE to drink.  Do you think that smoking is a disease?  NO but the lung cancer a smoker may develop is a disease.  Obviously we on different pages of this subject, and I will agree to disagree with you.  Bottom line, whatever works to keep you sober is a good thing, but until one takes responsibility for their actions and stops boo hooing about how they can't help it becuase of their "disease" they will forever be a self imposed victim and will never truly be free.
 
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May 29, 2006, 8:21 pm PDT

My tatoos

I have 3 tats, and most of the time nobody knows I have them .  When I decided to get my first one, I took 5 years to think what I wanted and where to put it.   I  realized  that there are times when it is not in my best interest for them to show.  That played a big role on my decision of where to put them.  I now have 3 and the only time they are outwardly  visable is when I wear  shorts or my  swimsuit.
 
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July 12, 2006, 1:02 pm PDT

go with your instinct

When I was 9 I was repeatedly raped by the  father of a close family friend.   I told nobody for years, until I found out he had  also  done it to all of his grandchildren.  The man never faced any charges, as his family decided it would be best not to talk about it.  Fast forward to now, where my mother is a widow and is now in a relationship with the son of the man who raped me.  One day last year she called saying her "friend" couldn't wait to meet my son.  I have not had a relationship with my mother since, because in my opinion by not making his father accountable for raping his daughters (and sons) he gave the message that it was not a big deal.  Shame on my mother and all the parents who either don't believe or don't want to see how their children are being abused.  This happened to me over 30 years ago, and I am still trying to deal with things but at least I have come to accept it was not my fault, and although he got away with it and faced no consequences in this life, someday he will have to face a judge who may not be so leinient.
 
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July 12, 2006, 11:07 pm PDT

She needs to be made accountable

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I watched this show today looking for answers, but I still don't know where to turn.   

Ironically, this show came on today after it was validated for me yesterday that one of my family members is a sexual predator. I do not know to what extent, if it went outside of our family or not. But I am in desperate need of getting her help. I know that what she has done is wrong and illegal. But she absolutely can NOT go to jail. She needs to be treated for her illness, and she is so emotionally and physically frail that I am certain jail would kill her. Where can I get her the help she needs? How do I confront her? I need productive answers, not to be attacked. I know what is best for her and jail is not the answer. She has not been in contact with children for many years, so she is not currently a threat to any children.   

What do you mean she "absolutely can NOT go to jail"?   That  is exactly where she belongs.  I  don't  know if you were one of the children she  destroyed,  but  I just can't  understand how you can even have a question of what  to do.  I also don't know what  kind of  "illness" she  has, but that should have no bearing on her if in fact she is guilty of what  you say.
 
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September 17, 2006, 8:22 pm PDT

You are a blessed woman

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Dear dr Phil;

 My fiancee became unknowingly involved in a church that was really a cult(Satanic). As a result he died. I cannot say too much online. I know in my heart that they were directly responsible for his death. After 11 years, this is still an unknown mystery. I would like to get to the bottom of it. Unfortunately, some local authorities were involved and their was a big coverup. Can you help me?

Sincerely,

 

Lynn

 

Philippians 4:13

Lynn,
I was so glad to see at the end of your message you had the reference of Phillippians 4:13.  Just keep remembering you CAN do ALL things through Christ who stregnthens you.  You are in my prayers.

 1 Corinthians 10:13
 
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September 18, 2006, 8:55 pm PDT

You are doing the right thing

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I'm new to the message board never wrote in one before but this topic struck a nerve with me. I guess you can say I need a little feedback in knowing if I'm making the write choices for my family. I'll start by saying that until the beginning of this year (2006) I've had a great relationship with my in laws. In two years time my husband and I have had 2 children and we also have an 8 year old. My problem started last January with my mother in law. She had been babysitting our children for a few years and I appreciated her for that. However she crossed the lines when she didn't want to follow our rules for our children. I caught her numerous times driving around without my babies in their car seats. She would allow the older child and his cousins to completely walk all over her and disrespect her. I corrected my child but the other childrens parents seem to not care. She really crossed the line in January when she stopped at my house and wanted my oldest child to go shopping with her. I told her and my son no. There were 2 reasons for that 1) She had been drinking. Shes an alcoholic and 2) my child was told he could not go shopping with her until he knew how to respect other people especially in public places. He had been really disrespectful shopping a few weeks earlier with grandma. My son got mad and walked out of the house. I told him that when he was finished cooling off he could sit on our front steps and wait for his dad to get home. He was do home anytime. She ( the grandma) left my house and drove down the rode and picked him up. She took him shopping with her. I was TICKED because she completely just ignored me. Well things got patched up by mid march and I allowed her to start seeing the children again. But I had very clearly let her know that she had to respect the way we were choosing to raise our children. She knew our rules and she abided by them for awhile but things just got worse. One of our rules was that she had to make an honest effort to seek help for her drinking. We understood that there would be set backs I made our home open to her as long as she was not drinking day or night she was welcome. She was also told that she was not able to travel with our children.  Not only does she have an alcohol problem but she also has had many health problems and is on numerous medications that counteract with the alcohol.  In late june one of our cars broke down and my husband and I wanted to have it towed so we asked her if she would take our oldest to his baseball game and we would meet her there. When we got there  it was apparent to us she had been drinking. So she drove with our son knowing we'd find out. You could smell it on her. We got that worked out and not soon after that she screwd up BIG TIME. At the end of July she came to my house I was not home but my children and husband were. I walked into my house and walked into the room that my husband and her were in and walked straight out because I knew all ready by the smell she was drunk. My husband told her to leave. She left but called later to see if we would pick her up to go to a local festival since we had already had plans to do that. We went to her house to pick her up and she said she couldn't find her purse so after waiting for about 5 minutes my husband said lets just go without her. I left having a relief feeling thinking she was way to drunk to drive herself up there so we would have a relaxing night. Boy was I wrong she showed up . I really don't know how she got there without killing herself or an innocent person but she did. That is the night that she broke the camels back. She went up to get some beer ( it was a polka fest with German Food and Beer) By the time she got back I had moved myself and children right along the dance floor so she would hopefully get the drift. I had already told my husband to tell her to leave but he didn't. So as she came back she was standing right beside me so I got up and looked her directly in the eye and told her to not bother with calling my house no more or contacting my children. By this time my husband has stood up and is wondering whats going on. She asked me why it was ok for me to drink but not her. I told her i was not having that discussion there but she kept yelling that question out so I yelled at her back that I was not the alcoholic she was. She didn't like that so she smacked me and tried to throw more hits but my husband stepped in and grabbed her by the neck. She did this with her grandchildren right there. So at this point alot more has gone on to much to mention but I have cut all access to my children to there grandma, I do not speak with her I have changed all of our email addresses so she has to go by the rules now. My husband very rarely talks to her and I'm sure she thinks its because of me but he knows I would never make him choose between me or his family. He is just respecting the fact that I don't want them on my property or calling my home or trying to sneak around to let her see our children. Lately shes been calling here so I told my husband that if she continues I will have our phone number changed and it will be unlisted. I feel bad for keeping my children from there grandma but she is not safe and totally does not grasp that her disease has effected us and I refuse to allow my children to see that side of a disease that there to young to understand. Am I doing the right thing?
You have to put the physical and emotional well being of  your children first.  It may also be helpful if you get out of the "disease" mindset.  She does not have a "disease" she has made the choice to be a drunk.  She has chosen her booze over her grandchildren, which shows how sorry a person she is. You, your husband, and your children deserve so much better.

 
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September 19, 2006, 5:59 pm PDT

tsk back to you

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  I cannot believe that in this supposedly enlightened age, that there are still people who blame addicts for their addictions.  While certainnly a person is responsible for taking that first drink, an alcoholic is not responsible for having their disease, anymore than someone with cancer is responsible for their disease. 
An alcoholic IS responsible for thier behavior, they CHOOSE to drink.  A person with cancer does not choose to get sick.  When all the bleeding heart liberals stop boo hooing on how drunks can't help their behavior because they are sick; and start making them responsible for their behavior, then this world will start becomming a better place.
 
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September 26, 2006, 4:52 pm PDT

We all make choices

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I think that it is horrible that you would say that alcoholism is not a diease. In fact it is a diease and a very serious one at that. I am the daughter of a woman who suffered from this diease. It took a huge toll on our family, but we never gave up on her. I understand the feeling of not knowing what to do. Cutting her out of your life is not the answer. She needs help and she needs it bad. You should not let her influence your children but she is family so it is your responsibility to help her. Look into getting her into treatment. Look into Al-non meeting and gathering the information that you will need to help her. I am sorry that you feel it is not a diease. I think that you should look into it before you start telling people that it is not a diease. I think that if you asked Dr. Phil he would tell you that it is a diease and a very serious one at that.
I think it is horrible that so many  people think  alcoholism is a disease.   It is not a disease, it is a lifestyle choice.  You say I should look into things before I start telling people, I will do one better, I am a former drunk.  That's right, I was more interested in drinking than taking care of my children, working or anything else.  I CHOSE TO DRINK.  When I chose not to drink it no longer became an issue for me.  For some people AA works, some go to detox, and some of us just get tired of being drunks and choose not to drink again.  Sometimes cutting the drunk out of your life is not only the best thing for you to do, but also the best thing for the drunk, as when you cut them out you are no longer able to enable the bad behavior.  I am also pretty certain that Dr Phil will say it is a disease, and while I greatly respect Dr Phil I do sometimes disagree wtih him,  He is, after all, only human and can be mistaken sometimes.   You think it is a disease, and it can't be helped but you are wrong.   One chooses to drink, and I have never heard of anyone who chooses to get cancer, leukemia, heart desiese, etc.
 
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September 27, 2006, 3:12 pm PDT

God gets the glory

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 I was watching the show while I was cleaning and was shocked to hear you say that you have never seen someone find religion and quit drugs in 27 years.  When I was fifteen I got in to drugs heavily.  I did everything from weed to heroin.  My drug of choice was cocaine.  I did drugs for over a year and my mother tried everything to get me to stop.  I have a wonderful family with three siblings.  We are very close and lucky to be living in such a wealthy area outside of Houston.  Teenagers had nothing to do and almost everyone I went to high school with was rich.  So drugs was a huge problem in the town even though parents were scared to face it.  I got kick out of school and sent to alternative school when I was in ninth grade.  One night my mom came to the house were I went everyday to snort cocaine.  She grabbed me and put me in her car.  I was screaming and punching her the entire time.  The whole ride home she just sat there and never said a word.  Finally, when we pulled up into the driveway she said (without even looking at me), "Do you not care about me, dad, your brothers and your sister anymore.  You are killing us and all we want is the have the regular you back."  And then she went into the house.  I sat in that car for about two hours thinking.  That day I made the decision to quit on my own!!  I went inside and told my mother that I was done with drugs.  Of course, she didn't believe me but I was determined to prove to her that I was serious.  The following days were awful.  I was vomiting, shaking, and sweating.  Through that whole experience my mother was there.  Cleaning up, putting cold wash cloths on me, and holding me when I was shaking.  My mother is my hero and always will be.  She prayed everyday and I believe I would be dead if it wasn't for God and her.  So the point to my story is that people can quit on there own. I have been sober for seven years now and I am living proof that people can do it if they have hit the bottom or put there mind to it.

Sincerely,
Anne
You are living proof that the whole "disease" thing is a crock.  You chose to do drugs, and  you later chose to quit, through the grace of God.  It is all about choice.  Remember, you can do ALL things through Christ who stregnthens you.   Now before all the hostile people write me nasty-grams about how I don't know what I am talking about, I used to be a drunk and a junkie, and decided one day to CHOOSE not to drink and drug.  God gets the glory for my choice to no longer use.
 

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