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November 12, 2006, 11:41 am PST

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It takes a  greedy person to fall for a next of kin scam. Any scam that tells you there's a large sum of money somewhere waiting to claimed and you fall for that, it's time you look  inside, the victim's initial motive twas o scoop what did not belong to him or her, bcos they often want you to pose as the right next of kin and you know you are not.

A modern scam doesnt send emails that often, the impersonate people's name and get to you real good.
My point is the fact that it's not just a Nigerian thing, we have concentrated so much on the ones coming from abroad that the ones here have gone sophisticated and wide-spread.
You are right, if one falls for the next of kin scam they are just looking for a quick buck and since it starts dishonest there is no reason to believe it will not end dishonest.  I agree we need to be aware of scam artists all around us.  I have a friend who got taken in by one that looked totally legit.  He was supposed to process insurance payments from Loyds of London, and keep 10% of the checks he processed.  Turned out the "checks" he was processing were bogus and he was out a lot of money by the time he realized it.  Bottom line is if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
 
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November 18, 2006, 2:50 pm PST

We successfully home-schooled

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I graduated from an upper-middle class high school in 1990.  I thought I had learned what needed to be learned so that I could go on to college.  WRONG!  In college I had to pay for REMEDIAL math classes!!! I was so angry.  But then I looked around at who was in my remedial class and they were all students from North Hills High School!!  I wanted to bill the high school for my remedial classes, but my parents said I should just drop it.  I wish I had sent the high school a bill.  Maybe it would have caused them to take another look at their sub-par cirriculum!!

 

That was all hapening 16 years ago!  I now live in New Mexico and the schools here are horrific.  Graduates can't read, write, do math, spell....nothing!  My niece is in the 9th grade and probably reads on a 4th grade level.  She can't spell correctly if her life depended on it...and it does.  No one wants to hire someone too stupid to spell or add or divide correctly.  And her speaking is just as bad.  She sounds like a dullard.  This will haunt her for the rest of her life.  People will assume she's an idiot, not the kind, sweet, beautiful girl that she has become.

 

New Mexico ranks 43rd out of 50 for our inadequate schooling, yet our govenor refuses to address it.  Yes he's trying to throw money at the problem, but we need to start requiring more from the teachers and principals before we can make such demands on our children.  New Mexico also has a "don't ask" policy about if a child is an illegal or an American citizen.  Therefore our schools are flooded with illegals who only speak Spanish.  This adds to the teachers' burden---the teachers must learn and teach Spanish to "accomodate" these illegals.  No wonder we rank so low!!  New Mexico is like a 3rd world country in many ways.

 

Home schooling sounds like the way to go so long as the parents meet all the required credentials and they are diligent about teaching at home.  Home schooled kids should have some kind of network so that they can be around like-aged kids.  That way they can learn the socialization skills needed out in the real world.

 

For our retirement we are looking to go to the mountains of Montana -- maybe we'll find some smart people like us up there!!

Most homeschool families  do have some type of networking.  In our state you have to be registered  with the state to legally homeschool.  I  just can't understand why people think homeschoolers  are unsocialized.   My  son was far more socially active when I homeshcooled than when he was in public school.   I ask,  what is more of a social learning experience;  sitting in a class with 25 other kids all of the same age group for several hours a day and not being able to  have social interaction with them (that is against the rules, we must be quiet little robots in the classroom)  or being out in the real world interacting with all kinds of people?  The whole "no child left behind " thing is a real joke.  What they have done is lower the standards so the slower learning kids don't get lost.  When I pulled my son out of the public school he was the 10th child to leave the school for homeschooling that week.  His teachers would give him credit on his math just for writing an answer down.  (it did not have to be the correct answer, once he put the answer to 2+2=fish and the teacher marked it correct)  Instead of working with him they told him he was not smart enough to learn math.  In 3 years he finished the entire high school cirriculum, and graduated last May at the age of 16.  He also has been accepted into college.   I will agree that homeschooling is not for everyone, it is only for people who truly care about the education their child recieves.
 
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November 18, 2006, 5:49 pm PST

You are the one who is biased

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 I will agree that homeschooling is not for everyone, it is only for people who truly care about the education their child recieves.

 

So parents who don't home school don't care about the education of their children. Wow!

 

As a former school administrator who has watched countless children revolve in and out of homeschooling, I can tell you that your evidence is purely anecdotal and completely biased. I am sure you know many successful homeschooling families, but that doesn't mean there aren't many unsuccessful homeschooling families. You don't know them because they are not joining your network and keeping active in all the work and commitment it takes to educate a child.

 

I am glad your state has some sort of regulation. My state pretty much lets any parents simply say they are homeschooling, fill out a withdrawal form, and that's that. many parents pull their kids out of public schools because they are tired of the school informing them that children are not behaving or participating in their learning. Then they get them home and realize that their kids will misbehave, not cooperate, and refuse to learn at home too! HUGE surprise!

 

I have a Masters in education, and I have no plans to home school my two children. I take great offense at you insinuating that I don't truly care about my children's education.

While I do not know every family that homeschools (that would be an impossible accomplishment)  I know that statistically homeschoolers do much better both academically and socially.  Your assumption that I said only homeschooling families care about their children shows that even though you may have a higher education you are ignorant.  I did not say that people who don't homeschool don't care about their children's education.  You really have to be a dedicated and caring parent to make and follow through with the commitment to homeschool.  Not all my son's public school time was bad, he had some wonderful caring teachers. (who supported my decision to homeschool)   I am willing to bet you, being an education professional, have seen teachers who don't care and just pass kids along.  I hope you are not that kind of teacher.  Teaching is probably one of the most difficult jobs out there, with little pay and having to deal with children who have parents who refuse to parent  makes the job even harder.  Bottom line, a parent is the child's first teacher, and I believe the most important.
 
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November 20, 2006, 8:48 am PST

I don't think you get it

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 I know that statistically home schoolers do much better both academically and socially.

 

Those statistics are largely invalid. In terms of statistical research, validity refers to the extent to which a study measures what it is supposed to measure. You have to be able to eliminate all possible variables that may effect the results. In most educational studies, it is very difficult to control all the variables.

 

When measuring the success of home schooling, not all home schooling families are required to participate. It is almost exclusively the ones who are doing a bang up job who participate in the research. It makes the data extremely skewed and it does not really measure whether or not the homeschooling is responsible for the success or the fact that those parents are so dedicated to their children. You cannot with any certainty attribute to success to the homeschooling as those students would probably do well in ANY educational setting. In fact, studies that separate students first by socioeconomic factors ( parents' income and education level) and THEN by schooling show that public school children tend to outperform both private school kids and home school kids.

 

Thank you for your manners and etiquette. Using either the literal or implied meaning, your statement is incorrect because NOT all home schooling parents are those who 'truly care about their child's education'. If you had read my entire post, I explained that many parents grow frustrated with the public school system because they resent being told the truth - that their kids are undisciplined and unmotivated. They get tired of being called when the child will not behave or when he refuses to learn. So they pull their kids out of school to avoid the reality that they are NOT doing their jobs as parents. These are the kids who don't show up on your statistics.

 

Bottom line, a parent is the child's first teacher, and I believe the most important.

 

I am in agreement there!


I read your entire post and see that all you did was spout the negative attitude that  most "professional educatiors" have about home schooling.  Again I can not speak for every homeschooling family, but in every case that I know of you are incorrect in your assumption that parents resent being told the truth.  Our kids are not all undisciplined and unmotivated.  The school system has failed some of our kids.  The more I tried to work with my son's teachers the less the school wanted to work with our family.  When he could not do simple basic math he was told he was not smart enough to learn it, and was just passed along.  When he was labeled with displacia (a form of dyslexia where they write backwards instead of reading backwards) he was told he would never learn to write; and that was ok as long as he learned to use a keyboard.  As a parent it was unacceptable to me for them to give up so easily.  If my son truly was unteachable I would have not had a problem.  My husband and I taught him how to write,do math and science, social studies, etc where the school did nothing.  He scored higher on the college placment tests than the average public school student from our area.  At age 16 he graduated from his home school high school course and was accepted into college.  Parents income and education level have little to do with children's success.  I was a single mom until 3 years ago and I managed to work full time and educate my child.  Of course I can not speak for every home school family in the world, I just know of the thousands of families in our homeschool co-op.  If the parents are not doing their jobs as parents, they will probably not be interested in making the commitment to homeschool.
 
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November 24, 2006, 8:57 am PST

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Hello,

My name is Allison and Im new here. I am a mother of 2 boys ages 10 and 7. My oldest is in the 4th grade and my youngest is in 2nd grade. They both attend our local public school.

 

My 7 yr old has been having some behavior problems this year. It is my opinion that he is being negativly influenced by other children in his class.  My husband and I are seriously considering pulling him out of public school and homeschooling him.  My husband would be the one to actually do the teaching. He works for UPS overnight and is home during the day, whereas I work during the day.

 

Have any of you experienced such negative peer pressure that would cause your child to act out...not be themselves? We have been in contact with the teacher almost daily, and my son's behavior is spiraling steadily downward. He has now started lying to us and stealing  money from family members. And obviously his grades are not where they should be. He is too smart for this.

 

His classroom teacher is concerned about his behavior, but says that there are other kids who are worse than he is. My son is constantly getting into trouble. He has not had a "green light" day since September. He has not been tested for ADD/ADHD but he is controllable at home, so I dont think that is the case with him.

 

Ive just started researching what it would cost as far as cirrculum and am entirely overwhelmed by the options. How do you know which one is good and which isnt?

 

Any feedback or suggestions would be welcomed.

Allison

 

 

Hi Allison,
First off I would advise that if your child is tested for ADD/ADHD you do it through your  family doctor and NOT through the school.   Schools are notorious for  labeling kids  and medicating them. (that way teachers don't have to deal with them)  Make sure you and your husband are ready for the commitment before you make your final decision, and if you present a united front it can be done.  I homeschoooled my son as a single mom working midnights.  When I got remarried my husband became a great help.  One of the sites I used for help was www.homeschoolworld.com.   My son' s favorite site for math was Aplusmath.com.  If you google "homeschool" you will be amazed at what you find.  Good luck.
 
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November 24, 2006, 5:55 pm PST

You are part of the reason I homeschooled

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 I have been a teacher for 27 years, on occasion I have had somehome school students that have crossed over to tradition school. Frequently they have entered my study skills class, or one of my remedial class. The biggest gap, I found, was they had no idea how to behavior with other people,how to get along with peers, how to fit  into a schedule, daily, and how to survive without mom. ALSO our job as parents, and teachers, and I am the mother of four grown children, is to prepared them to be well adjusted PRODUCTIVE members of society.  Unschoolers, in particularar, not teaching their children anything that will prepare them for areal adult life. I didn't get a feel for any of the parents own educational level, except for the one who was a high school drop out, nor what they did for a living. I will say that they all seemed like they loved their children, and that is a wonderful thing, however sometimesover  loving your children is not the most fun orthe nicest thing to do with them. Children need discipline to learn self discipline, they need to be denied their needs sometimes, so that they will be able to adapt to stressful situations, and they need to have parents, not friends.
MI personally found the behavior of the children from the unschoolers unacceptable.Children are not to be given the respect of adults, that comes with time, and is something they EARN.
I am not convinced that homeschoolers/ unschoolers will be functionally in the adult work world. I feel they will be more non productive,welfare recipients with a sense of entitlement.
I was unable to see the show today because  there was a  football game  on our local station.  I will tell you it was teachers like you who convinced me of the need to homeschool my son. "They need to be denied their needs sometimes"?  What kind of monster would deny the needs of their child?  Their wants, yes, but a parents first responsibility is to make sure their childs needs are met.  My homeschooled son has learned quite nicely how to "survive without mom", as was evident when he spent 10 days in South America last December.  I will agree with you that children should not be automatically given the same respect as adults.  Respect is something that is earned not just given away.  You may have had homeschoolers who had problems with crossover, but how much of it was due to your bias of homeschooling families?  Most "professional educators" have a chip on their shoulders about homeschooling.  When we choose to homeschool it is because we feel it is in our children's best interest, not because we don't think you are capable.  As far as your opinion that homeschoolers won't be able to function in the "real world" when my son graduated high school at 16 and took his college entrance exams he scored quite high, and he will be graduation college with a degree, so you don't have to worry about him being a "welfare recipient with a sence of entitlement".  I have, however seen that attitude from many of my son's friends who are still in the public school system just being passed along because teachers don't want to "damage their self esteem" by holding them back.
 
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November 24, 2006, 6:14 pm PST

Don't you just love typos?

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It is NOT the yeachers who just pass them on - it's the PRINCIPALS and SCHOOL BOARDS.
Yeachers?  Typos can be good for a laugh.
 
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November 24, 2006, 7:01 pm PST

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When you say most professional educators have a chip on their shoulders about homeschooling I have to laugh a little because where I am from most professional educators homeschool!!

I find that rather ironic.  Here in NW Indiana the public school system will do everything they can to keep the kids in the system.  I was threatened with visits from CPS and the "Truent Officer"  I had to fight the school system to get my son out of the database, and I even recieved a book bill for 10th grade from the local high school for my son.  (He never attended the high school, and the ironic thing was I recieved the book bill 4 months after he graduated high school)  I am not saying all public school teachers are uncaring or unable/unwilling to teach, we just live in an are where there is a lot of problems.  P.S., the caseworker from CPS was VERY impressed with our homeschool, and after a few months of getting weekly calls of neglect from the local school she realized we were victims of harrassment from the school and became very apologetic about having to make so many visits.  It was an inconvienience, but I know she was obligated to investigate the claimes even though she knew they were baseless.

 
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December 14, 2006, 7:37 am PST

Not your fault

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A daughter of an alcoholic may never recover even after she has been away, on her own and with her own children.   My mother was sick but I did not know that until I was 32.  I am now 37 and still struggle.  If you have ever read the book "Mommie Dearest" that was me.  Atleast the beatings.  It is my fault she was and still is sick.  It is my fault my dad walked away and to this day can not have a face to face conversation with me because I look like her.  My mother beat me so bad that the doctors think I was in a severe car accident and eventually I will loose muscal control diapers and a wheel chair will be my calling.  I fight it every day that it is my fault but really have no facts to support this.  She grew up in Germany with the camps and her step father was very mean.  But I just couldn't get things right the first time.  My father left me there when I was 12 and to this day still with throw me away like a piece of old trash.  I found God when I was 28 and my husband  I have all the support you could ever ask for so why is it my fault.   My husband says that my thinking is a lot like Dr. Phil and at times I sound like him.   I take his advise and do a lot of prayer but maybe Dr. phil and God can help me.  Depression is a daiy struggle and why people stay around me I still don't know.  My husband says God uses me to help others through what I have been through but if that was true I would not feel so alone.  i guess this is just the price you pay for being born.
Your mother's choice to drink is not your fault.  Your father's choice to leave you is also not your choice.  It is their fault for making the choices they have made in life.  You did not ask to be born; and it seems like your parents failed miserably in their parenting skills.  Just because someone has the biological ability to reproduce does not qualify them to be parents.  I am so sorry for the things you have had to go through because of the choices your parents made.  You did not ask to be born, so there should be no "price for being born".  You are not alone, there are many of us who suffer depression and other daily struggles due to our parents choice to drink or do drugs.  God may be using you in ways you can't see.  Remember you can do ALL things through Christ who stregnthens you.
 
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December 16, 2006, 4:04 pm PST

Huh?

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I so agree....except with your religious constrictions.  In Al-Anon, I have learned to respect all people's paths to spirtuality.

 

One is not better than another.  I love that.

 

It's given me freedom to love everyone, regardless of their religious persuasions.  It's given me an open door to exploring my own spirituality.

 

I appreciate that freedom.

What religious constrictions?  I was merely quoting a Bible passage.  If you  don't believe that is ok, the Bible also says that if the message is recieved we are to shake the dust from our feet and move on.  Sadly too many "Christians"  (and believers of other faiths) try to shove their beliefs down other people's throats.  That is a BIG problem I have with both AA and AlAnon.  They want to shove the whole "desease" concept on people.  We make choices in life. A person chooses to drink or do drugs, nobody chooses to get leukemia or diabetes.  Now before you send me nasty-grams on how I don't know what I am talking, I am a former drunk who chose to stop drinking, and also the daughter of a former drunk who chose to stop drinking, and the granddaughter of a drunk who chose not to stop drinking and she literally drank herself to death. 
 

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