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September 23, 2005, 12:34 pm PDT

Use keen judgement

Quote From: rachelr

 I am sure the 2 f16  was just their way of back peddling for getting busted doing a sloppy job with the investigation.  the only thing I think Aruba is covering up is that they  screwed the case up. That is very clear and I think your poor dutch pride has been hurt.   
Actually, I think your poor American pride has been hurt.  All I hear from the messages here is a proclamation of  "how dare they do that to us, we are Americans."  Just because another part of the world doesn't do things exactly as Americans do doesn't mean that they are doing it wrong.  Have you studied the Arubian justice system, or is your response purely emotional? 
 
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September 23, 2005, 12:35 pm PDT

Great Generalization

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Dr. Phil   

i can't begin to tell you how i feel about this case. Beth and her family are in our prayers i hope they find Natalee so they can closure one way or another. I have 3 children and my heart goes out to Beth and her family.. 

I am so disgusted with the Aruba Judge and Police and in the show you have a tape interview with one of the suspects mom on it she has no remorse for what her son knows or did to Natalee.. That makes me sooo sick!!  Then the father and son that moved to Netherlands "NO COVER UP THERE".. My husband and i thought about going to Aruba for vacation with our children but there is no way i would go knowing that they take your money and you don't return home from was suppose to be an awesome island.. Shame on Aruba and everyone that is covering this up.. 

I will be writing the officials that you have listed also.. 

Shirley & Mike 

Right....one person doesn't return home and all of a sudden you have generalized that every trip would turn out that way.  You'd have a better chance of being killed leaving your American home today than taking a trip to Aruba.   

  

  

 
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September 26, 2005, 10:06 am PDT

09/15 The Disappearance of Natalee

Quote From: grandmafuz

Actually, I think you poor Arubans have been lied to so much you dont know the differance between truth and lies. 

You incorrectly assume that because I am disagreeing with you that I am from Aruba or the Netherlands.  I am not.   

  

Your post has no facts to it.  It is purely emotional.  Have you studied the Arubian justice system? 

 
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October 3, 2005, 11:19 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: serez03

For all of those breast feeding moms congratulations it doesn't bother me at all to see mothers breastfeeding their kids.  I can't beleive those people that get offended when they see a mother feeding their child but think that people showing their underwear is individualism, and girls showing their bras as a fashion statement.   And a lot more I don't mention.  

  

The other thing about condoms being distributed in schools I as a mother of  3 little ones would not like for schools to give my girls condoms.  See that is another thing that is very upsetting.  Schools are allowed to distribute condoms so to prevent teenagers from getting pregnant but at the same time they exclude GOD from being in the pledge of alligence and to have GOD in courts or in anything to do with school..   Doesn't GOD Prevent evil, prevent wrong doing and shows how beautiful life is and yet they exclude HIM from schools.  What is this world coming too and we wonder why many kids are commiting Suicide.  In my viewpoint passing out condoms in public schools is wrong that is the parents decision and nobody else's. 

That is why it is called a PUBLIC school...God should have no place in it.   

  

There are many religions that go to PUBLIC schools...some believing in God, some not, some believing in another diety or none at all.   

  

And kids aren't committing suicide because condoms are being distributed in schools.  They are committing suicide because NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT!!!  (ie. where to go for help...what to do about the feelings that I am having...)  School becomes a perfect place to address these issues because you can reach such a large number of students; however, parents must be involved too.   

  

And it isn't like schools are GIVING condoms to every kid.  They are available for students, but they are not pushed upon every child with the assumption that they will naturally be having sex because they are a teenager. 

  

Education is KEY!  Ignorance is not an excuse.  "Just Say No" has been proven to fall on deaf ears.  I think abstinance needs to be one part of sex education, along with other options for those students who will not follow that philosophy. 

  

  

  

  

 
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October 4, 2005, 6:03 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: serez03

You are right it is public school so why are drugs, sex and crime in public schools!  There are also people who don't beleive in sex before marriage, in drugs and other items.  Everybody has the right to beleive what they want but to make exclusion of GOD is not right but that is my opinion. 

  

Let me clear something else before I forget, regarding the suicide I didnt' make myself clear last time. I know they are not commiting suicide because of the distribution of condoms in schools. They are doing becuase they are missing God or a spiritual individual in what ever religion they believe in. 

There are drugs, sex and crime in ALL schools...Christian or otherwise.  Those alternative schools have the exact same problems. 

  

There are schools where you can send your children that promote Christian values, but you shouldn't expect a public school to be that place.   

  

I agree with you in regards to suicide that they are missing a love & purpose in their life...for some that may be God, for others that may be a sense of belonging or individual purpose.   

 
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October 4, 2005, 6:09 am PDT

I agree

Quote From: missjane2

That is such a question without an answer.  Because it depends.  If you don't give them condoms and they get pregnant isn't that worse.  On the otherhand if you do give them condoms you are encouraging them to have sex at a young age.  I try to talk to my teenagers about the cost of diapers and how it will need to be deducted from their McDonalds paycheck along with other things if they have a baby.  I also tell my daughter that boys in high school don't have sex for love.  They have sex so they can tell their friends the grimy details.  Girls have sex for love.  Boys don't have sex for love until they grow up and even then many boys remain in the Peter Pan never grow up stage....  I think if kids have a purpose in life of chasing after dreams to become something and to pursue a career and hobbies they will be stronger to say no to temporary gratification.  But often times they come from broken homes and are trying to replace that need with their boyfriend who is too young to be mature to actually meet that need.  Because that boy flippin burgers by the grill is not gonna look as cute to you when you have kids and a boat load of bills to pay and you are both tired from working too much in 10 years.  So figure out what you are going to be and how you are going to pay the bills then have sex and kids....... 
I think that the young people who are not going to have sex (before marriage) or whenever they choose, are not going to go against that belief just because condoms are available in school.  Let's give our young people more credit.  A lot of them are making responsible choices.  And for some of them that responsible choice is abstinence and for others it is using protection when having sexual intercourse.  Both options should be given to young people. 
 
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November 16, 2005, 5:09 pm PST

They choose the forum -- they face the consequences

Quote From: funyuns

i would just like to inform you that, you DO NOT know the children, all you see is what the producers WANT you to see therefore, you really truely can't tell if the child is happy, and i am a personal friend of Bridget's daughter and let me tell you she is extremely happy with what she does she loves to sing, all the time.........trust me i know, and if she really doesn't want to do it then she really doesn't have to not only that but its good to be punished because some people just let there kids grow up without punishment and when they make a mistake at something they just quit.and all Bridget wants is for her child to get out of this "great" little town we live in and follow her dreams and if she wants to be a singer then she has to start NOW because there are So many others out there wanting the same thingbut know one is there to push them or even support them...so you just need to back off! 

The minute the parents chose to go on national television to discuss their problems they agreed to public scrutiny.   

  

Of course the producers have a certain take on things.  That's show business!  These parents better get a clue about show business because they seem so intent on the success of their children without care or concern for their emotional and mental wellbeing.   

 
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November 17, 2005, 8:43 am PST

You are absolutely right

Quote From: jaydavis1

I see now why other countries think Americans are so arrogant. To think that our law enforcement agencies, such as the FBI, can solve a crime so much better and more efficiently than another country is so arrogant it is laughable. We have so many cold cases in this country the networks and cable TV have enough shows (Cold Case Files, etc.) for years to come. There are mistakes made in most if not all investigations in this country so do not think we are infallible just because its the FBI doing the investigating. You and your family are far more likely to come to harm right in your own hometown as opposed to outside the US as there is probably a convicted sex offender (or two) living right in your neighborhood. If you chose to live your life in fear by not traveling or allowing your children to experience other cultures and countries that is certainly your perogative, but do not expect everyone else to follow suit and boycott a beautiful island just because of the remote possibility of becoming a crime victim.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. 

  

People are viewing this case from one-side.  They are acting on pure emotion without a full look at the hard facts.  They sum up their beliefs from segments of the Dr Phill show and use that to make blanket statements about a country and a case.  Ridiculous!   

  

You are right.  Other countries do see Americans as arrogant...and ignorant.   

  

I also agree that it is laughable that American citizens are suggesting the FBI should be allowed into investigate.  Right!  Would you ever see the US allowing another countries law inforcement officials in to investigate a crime.  I don't think so.   

  

If you think the Amerian government or the American law inforcement agencies have never messed up a case then you are more brain-washed by American patriotism than you think.   

 
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November 17, 2005, 9:11 am PST

11/17 The Search for Natalee and Amy

Quote From: tuckersara

 Worldwide america is looked to having loose values. THis would never happen in American and the citizens around do nothing about it. It seems as the citizens of these countries know what is happening and by their actions of doing nothing are supporting what is happening to these girls. It breaks my heart to know that anyone could experience that kind of pain. I pray and hope for the safe return of amy and natalie.  Why can the US goverment not go into these brothels were there are known Americans being held and break them out??

When will Americans understand that the Sex Slave Industry occurs in your own country????   

  

And your comment: "Why can the US government not go into these brothels where there are known Americans being held and break them out" is so typical.  It's all about the US.  What about destroying the whole industry.  What about freeing every girl of every nationality that is being treated as a sex slave?  Why does everything come down to what's best for Americans.  What about caring for all people who are being treating unjustly against their will.   

 
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November 17, 2005, 10:07 am PST

Watch the Enemy at Home

Quote From: delmonny

One of the nice things about living in the US is that you and your children can travel and experience different cultures and beautiful places without ever leaving our borders.  Heck, in New York City, you can do that in a 10 block radius!  You are right when you say that harm can come to you right here at home as well as anywhere else.  But there are certain things you can do to protect yourself and your children from harm.  I don't allow my children to engage in behavior that significantly raises their chances of getting hurt.  I don't allow them to juggle knives.  I don't allow them to play in traffic.    I don't allow them to ride their bikes on the block where a registered sex offender lives, and I don't allow them to travel to a country where young girls get abducted and disappear.  Yes, I know, that can happen here in the good ol' U.S. of A. as well, but it is my responsibility as a parent to protect them in every way I can.  So no, my children will not go to Aruba while they are under my care. 

  

As far as myself, I wouldn't go to Aruba if it was free.  That is a personal decision, it has nothing to do with the boycott.  Do I support the boycott?  Absolutely.  But I really don't think refusing to travel to Aruba constitutes living my life in fear.  I think that's just inflamatory rhetoric. 

According to World Vision a quarter of all who travel internationally so that they may solicit sex from children are U.S. citizens

  

Don't for one minute think your children are safe in the good ol' U.S. of A.   

 

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