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October 6, 2005, 2:21 pm PDT

God bless you Julie Ross

 I was so touched on todays show when Dr. Phil mentioned that Julie Ross (I hope I have her name right) had been looking for an apartment for the woman in the abusive marriage.  If I had someone like her when I was going through my abusive marriage, I would have left much sooner than I did.  Sometimes women feel that they really can't make it on their own; that's how I felt.  I hope that all of the support that was given on todays show will help these women to get out of their circumstances and take control of their lives. 
 
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October 6, 2005, 2:54 pm PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: jordyn83

I am sort of sitting on the fence for this one.  

On one hand it is a very natural thing; a way to for a mother and child to develope a bond that will last a lifetime (or is it life time?). But I must admit that a few weeks ago, I saw a woman breastfeeding at the public swimming pool, and it bothered me. Is that hygenic? I didnt enjoy seeing her just take out her breast and begin her babie's feeding.  

When my baby is born I will breastfeed, but I will not do it in public. I do not want people staring at me. It is not any of thier business, but I respect women who can do it, and not be bothered by the amount of people examining her, and probably judging her. 

 I understand how you feel.  When I was pregnant with my daughter, the thought of being out in public and my baby getting hungry terrified me!  I'm a very shy and "personal" person.  I couldn't even imagine having anyone look at me breastfeeding!  However, it IS different once you have the baby.  I think it took me a few weeks to get used to the idea, although I WOULD NOT breastfeed in the pool setting that you were describing.  I always cover up so that my breasts aren't exposed.  I just don't feel comfortable with everyone seeing my breasts.  Don't worry, you'll find something that works for you because believe me, once your baby is born, it will be impossible NOT to breastfeed out in public.  (I sometimes have to go leave the store and go out in my van in the parking lot to breastfeed, but it's still in public...it can't be avoided unless you plan on never going out with your new baby, and lets face it, we all want to show off our beautiful new babies!)
 
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October 6, 2005, 3:01 pm PDT

10/06 "Stand Up for Yourself!"

Quote From: scbridges

I TOO COULD HAVE BEEN ON THE SHOW BUT IT WAS THE ENDING THAT MADE ME THE MADDEST. WHEN THE EX WANTED HIS WIFE "TO BE BETTER" AND SEE HE HAS CHANGED. OH PUHLEEZE. GIVE ME A BREAK. THAT WAS TOTALLY ALL ABOUT HIM.  MY EX ALWAYS WAS TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO PROVE TO ME HE HAD CHANGED.  SO WHAT. WHY NOW?? WHY DID IT TAKE A DIVORCE TO GET HIM TO CHANGE.  (SUPPOSEDLY CHANGED) I HAD ASKED HIM FOR YEARS TO STOP BEING SO MEAN...NO RESULT.  SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING HE WANTS ANYMORE. SUGGESTING IT SHOWS HE HASN'T CHANGED, OH SURE, 4 MONTHS, LOL HARDLY.  SHE WILL GET BETTER ON HER OWN IN HER OWN WAY!!!
 Granted, most men don't change but occassionally they do and Dr. Phil (not kowing him very well), did the right thing by giving him the benefit of the doubt.
 
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October 6, 2005, 3:02 pm PDT

10/06 "Stand Up for Yourself!"

Quote From: myrtledee

The only good thing about my situation is I haven't married him, but we do have a 4 year old boy. 

I depend on him for everthing, I had a job, now I don't, I had a car, now I don't, I had a life. I also have a 19 year old son and a 22 year old daughter, they are no longer allowed in my life. How do I leave with nothing, how do I stay and see my little boy turn into his dad.  He has told me he will take my son, the son he didn't even want.  I need HELP Please. 

 First, LEAVE!!  Get a restraining order (he will never be able to take your child away from you.  That is his way of trying to intimidate you and too often it works).  Go to your local welfare office and apply for foodstamps, financial aid, and daycare.  Look up local women's shelters.  Use the welfare system as a crutch until you find a job and get on your feet.  That is what it is there for, not for people to live on the rest of their lives...which is another post altogether.  Also, if you leave him, your children may come back into your life.  Maybe you have family that can let you stay with them until you pick up the pieces?  Heck, if you lived in my area, I'd take you in!  I've been there, but the first and most important step is to leave and never look back!  Do it now before he tricks you into marrying him!  It could happen!  The longer you stay in an abusive relationship, the more control he will gain over you.  Think about it
 
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October 6, 2005, 6:04 pm PDT

10/06 "Stand Up for Yourself!"

Quote From: reflection

He told me that he'd go to counseling but that once the counselor sees it is me with all the problems that he won't need to see him but once or twice. I can't help but laugh because the joke is on him!
 In a case like this, counseling will do no good.  Counseling only works when both people acknowledge their role and work toward fixing it.  If he can't "own" it, he won't change.  His reaction sounds like a "typical" male reaction.
 
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October 6, 2005, 6:13 pm PDT

10/06 "Stand Up for Yourself!"

Quote From: benc789

Today's show was completely unrealistic. 

  

It is women who constantly try to dominate and control men.  They nag, are full of tips on what you could do to make their lives better, and threaten that you will never see the kids again if they don't get what they want. 

  

The men in today's show do not want to be married.  They will feel nothing but relief when their wives leave. 

That's a pretty ignorant statement to make.  Yes, women can be just as abusive as men (sometimes more so; I've seen it).  However, that doesn't justify a man being abusive to a woman.  Abuse is never OK, period, whether the man or the woman is the abuser.   I don't think you really paid much attention to the show today because those men were VERY controlling and they would NOT feel relieved if their wives left because then they wouldn't have anyone to control. 
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:05 am PDT

Arguing Over Money

Quote From: connolly2

so here is the issue.... My wife and I have been together for 16 years and married for 11. I love her to death and we have 2 beautiful children in San Diego. Sounds good but here is the issue. The schools here suck and it is sooooooo expensive here to live.

 

 

 

 

 

She is a stay at home day care provider (55 hours a week) and makes just enough for us to be 700 in the hold every month. She is getting another job at night 15-20 hours a week just so we can live hand to mouth. We have a couple 100 grand in equity and I want to move to a place that is better for education and for family life. She could stay home with the kids and never have to work again but there is a catch holding this whole modern day utopia from happening. Her mom and her need to say in San Diegono matter how good the benefits of moving are.

 

 

 

 

Her standard response to moving is that she will NEVER leave her “FAMILY”, her mom basically (I thought her husband and children were her family) and I will never leave San Diego no matter how bad is.

 

 

 

 

Her parents are functional alcoholics (love them to death but they are what they are) her and her mom are total co-dependants and I just wish for once she would pick her true family(the one’s she gave birth to and the one she said I do to) first consideration. I just needed to vent

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

Any suggestions on dealing with it….. God would I love Dr. Phil to give her a call and ask her

 

 

 

 

 

 

“So you priority is family and location but now your working 75 hours a week so you see neither your family or the location,,,,,,   HOW”S THAT WORKING FOR YA?”

 It sounds like there are a few things going on here.  First, If you're working full time and your wife is working more than full time, there's really no reason why you should be $700 in the hole every month.  I think some people get used to a certain lifestyle and they become consumed with "material" possessions.  Look at your budget and see what things you can live without.  It may not be "ideal" but I'm a firm believer that family comes first. 

How many children do you have?  Are they attending a public or private school?  If they are in a private school, that can get expensive fast!  What about homeschooling?  It may sound difficult, but it really is not.  I know there is still a cliche when it comes to homeschooling, but get some info.

As far as moving goes, I really think if you look at your budget and there isn't anything that you could live without (BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF!), I think your wife really  needs to put the needs of her family (meaning you and your children) first.  That is her (and your) first obligation.  Maybe her parents can move along with you. 

The last thing is that you say you have a couple hundred thousand in equity.  Whether you  move or not, use that money to get out of debt and lower the amount of outgoing bills every month.  That's huge.  Try to consolidate your  debt.  This is my advice, although I don't claim to be an expert.  I would need more information to go on to try to help you anymore.
 
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October 7, 2005, 9:52 am PDT

Arguing Over Money

Quote From: renagade

Your arguing about money is because you don't have any.  Did the two of you REALLY make a concious decision or was there hesitancy on either of your parts.  Sounds like this was done without really realizing the impact that would ensue.   You don't cut a life line that is needed.  When you can't pay for essentials - then that is proof that it was a Bad decision. 

  

My advice is too sit down look at the entire situation, and then get a full time job - maybe a different shift - so one parent is always home. 

 I agree with everything you said, except for one thing.  They aren't arguing about money because they don't have any.  It doesn' t matter how much money you have, there will still be arguments over money?  WHY?  Because unfortunately, the trend is the more you make, the more you spend.  Some of the wealthiest people I know still fight over money and are in debt to their necks.  They start  out "poor", and then gradually the more money they make, the more things they think they neeed, until they can't stretch their money any farther. 
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:02 am PDT

Hmm...

Quote From: denmarr

WE ARE NOT ANIMALS AND SHOULD NOT BE ACTING AS SUCH,  WHIPPING OUT A BREAST FOR YOUR CHILD TO SUCK ON WHENEVER THEY WANT IS NO DIFFERENT THAT THE ANIMAL WORLD.  IF WE WANT TO BE TREATED AS ADULT WOMAN THEN ACT LIKE IT, HAVE ENOUGH SELF RESPECT TO FEED IN PRIVATE OR AT LEAST DISCREETLY. YOU ARE INFRINGING ON OTHER PEOPLES RIGHTS BY DISROBING IN PUBLIC TO FEED.  YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE MINE BEGIN AND I CHOOSE NOT TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS TO LITTLE CHILDREN WHOM I HAVE WITH ME AT THE PUBLIC PLACE. WE ARE NOT ANIMALS AND IF WE WANT TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT THEN SHOW OTHER PEOPLE RESPECT OF THEIR RIGHTS BY NOT PUTTING THEM IN THIS SITUATION EMBARRASSED,UNCOMFORTABLE,SHY WHATEVER IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO FLAUNT IT BECAUSE YOU CAN. 

 Well, I can honestly say that I have never seen anyone disrobing in a public place to feed their baby.  I wonder where you're from?....Are you suggesting that mothers that breastfeed are animals?  What would be so bad about explaining to a child that "the mommy is feeding her baby"? Why  is everyone so embarrassed about the human body?  God designed it.  Now on that note, I DON'T believe in exposing yourself to feed your baby...it really isn't necessary, but you seem very worked up about breastfeeding...
 
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October 7, 2005, 10:08 am PDT

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE??

 I think it's a little ridiculous that we're even having this discussion.  I mean, those who are offended by breastfeeding really need to get a life.  I see things EVERYDAY in public that I'm offended by....like mothers calling their little children names, yelling at them, and hitting them in public.  THAT is offensive but no one wants to talk about that...hmmm....I can see what we think is most offensive in this country!  Breastfeeding in public is SOOOO offensive but rarely does someone look twice at a mother who is verbally abusing their child in public!!!!  THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!!!!!!!!!  If we're going to complain about something, let's complain about that!!!
 

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