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October 5, 2005, 11:48 am PDT

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: mks22878

Ok, I never breast feed my two girls but i also feel that there is a proper place to breast feed i mean have some kinda respect for those around u its not about the right to do it in public there is just a right and a wrong place to do it.  And as far as passing out condoms in school what the hell are u parents thinking i mean gee u are basically tells your kids thats its ok to do it because u are protected ahhh no how about u try being a parent and not hoping that the condom will do the parenting for u .. What is wrong with simple sitting down and talking to your kids about sex let them trust u enough that if they are considering it that they will at least come to you .. instead of going to a girl and say hey lets have sex my mom says its ok she even gave me protecting then they will start influsing the girls and then u have a chain reaction..

  

why would it be wrong to meet my babies needs in public? I live 20 minutes from town, so I would have to drive 20 min to come home and feed my son?  Why can't people who don't like it just look the other way?  I'd a whole lot rather see someone nursing a baby than letting 89% of their boobs hang out of their shirts! lol 

  

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 11:51 am PDT

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Why bring co-sleeping into this.  Many familes co-sleep, most peoples reasons for it do not include because they BF, its their lifestlye and they believe the family bed is best for their family. Lets not bring stereotyping into an already heated topic. 

I do however see the  point you are trying to make, but like so many people they think that is the sole purpose of co-sleeping. But this is a whole other subject.  

Interestingly enough, BF'ing WAS the sole purpose of our family bed.  It's what started it, and it's what kept it going. I struggle mightily to BF, I have a very hard time with supply, and I decided to try the family bed in an attempt to nurse longer.  It helped a lot.  If I didn't have this issue, would I family bed?  I'm not completely sure.  I'm more sold on it now than I was 3 yrs ago - I did NOT want to do it, but I wanted to nurse badly enough to try anything. 

  

I enjoy it now, but I really don't know if I would do it without the BF issue.  Very probably not. 

  

just a different perspective is all 

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 11:55 am PDT

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 Not too long ago, there was a boat load of refugees from Haiti floating in the ocean.  They were out of food and out of fresh water.  They only way they survived was because of a breastfeeding mother who shared her milk (after baby of course) so that they would not die.  Is that wrong???

I'd hope they expressed the milk out before sharing. :) 

  

Breastmilk is good for a lot of things.  Squirt some in your eye to clear up an eye infection, use it to clear up an older childs viral infection, SO many uses for it.  Expressed milk is certainly nothing evil and is very useful in many circumstances. Wrong? not at all. 

  

If they all took turns nursing on the mom? Yeah. I'd have an issue with that.  Milk can be hand expressed!    

  

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 6:41 pm PDT

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"And that's not funny, but they have that Le Leche Club thing and some woman either culturally or for whatever reason go beyond what is necessarily.  At least in my opinion.  Anyone else ever hear of this?" 

  

Well MissJane...... 

 

I have heard of "this."  

 

What do you mean go beyond what is necessary? I will tell you what the Surgeon General and American Academy of Pediatrics say............ 

 

It is recommended that a child be breastfed for the first 12 months.  

 

So, what do you mean? 

she means those of us who believe in child led weaning, when our kidlets wean themselves. Sometimes around the age of 3 or  4.   

  

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 6:45 pm PDT

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In my opinion, I do not think women should breastfeed in public. That is not ladylike at all. If you need to do that, go find a restroom or someplace where you can have privacy.  

 

I have to admit to laughing at this. What could be more feminine than breastfeeding?  Sure it's ladylike.  And as for finding a restroom... ewwwww..  How many of you would eat in a public washroom?  It makes me sick to even think about it! And with those hand dryers blowing the germs all through the air it's that much worse.   

  

  

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 6:51 pm PDT

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Although it doesn't bother me to see a mom breastfeed her baby WITHOUT TEETH in public.  

  

How do you now if the baby has teeth??  And what differance does that make?? 

  

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 7:08 pm PDT

10/05 Moms: Cut the Chaos

I get so sick of you women whinning about this topic!  

 

So go somewhere else. This is here for us, nobody is making you come and read our "whinings". 

   

You don't like it? You should'nt have gotten married and had kids!!  

 

Because something is tough doesn't mean we don't like it. It means it's a challenge and we need others to support us. Something you did not do with this post.  I get the feeling it's something you have no desire to do. So why are you here? 

 

   

The man of the house is bringing home an income to feed the family, buy the cars, buy the clothes pay the bills, pay for college,  secure a future.  

 

He works hard, yep, and so do I.  He gets paid (not nearly enough), I don't.   

   

Heres a news flash!!  You should'nt be spending 6-7 hours a day cleaning a house, if your house is that big I'd bet you've got an income to be able to hire a cleaning service to come twice a week.  

Floors don't need to be mopped twice a day, toilets and bathrooms can go 2 or 3 days between cleaning, kids can do chores and pickup their toys, if they don't throw them away they'll learn sooner or later.  

 

Interesting how someone not in our shoes has all the answers.  Clearly you've not had to clean the same parts of a house several times a day due to pee accidents, spills, pets, all sorts of things that are simply part of life for us moms.  We should throw away the toys - how will they then learn? We sure can't afford to replace them so there would be no toys to pick up. Hard to learn to do it then! 

   

Bottom line, a lot of this cr@p is brought on by yourself.  

 

I feel sorry for you.  Crap?Nope.  A difficult but very worthwhile life choice we made.   

   

In parting, it absolutely disgusts me to see this crybaby Ginger whine about her family in a house fit for royalty with a husband that obviously makes a heck of an income and COMES HOME EVERY NIGHT!  

   

I wonder what makes you think he makes one heck of an income? 

 

All the while I have friends in Iraq fighting for our country making maybey 15-20,000 a year with wives at home by themselves raising several children.  

  

My husband works two jobs to keep us alive.  He's a paramedic and serves his own country very well.  The fact that we're not married to men in the army/force doesn't make us lesser women or mothers.  I don't know what US soldiers make, but I do know that here in Canada they make about the same or more as we do - and us with two jobs.  It's rough yes, I appreciate them, yes, But I am not going to disallow myself or anyone else the space to vent their struggles and frustrations because "others have it worse".  I'd welcome those wives/mothers here and listen to them any time at all.   

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 7:12 pm PDT

10/05 Moms: Cut the Chaos

Quote From: divableu21

I applaud you moms for putting a voice to your frustrations. I'm not a mother yet, but I know that taking care of a household is hard work. However, I do agree with some of the points of the other postings. While the women on today's show weren't complaining, I do hear a lot of whining and what not from my friends who are stay at home parents. They always complain that having children is so hard and being home all day is very difficult, and that they don't want to be a "Stepford Wife".  Sometimes I do want to say--you made your bed, now lay in it. Before getting married, shouldn't it be discussed about child-rearing and sharing household duties? My fiance and I got all of that straight before we moved in together and before we got engaged. We discussed that if he doesn't share in the housework, bill paying, etc etc, then no deal--no marriage. Also, a lot of my friends keep procreating thinking this will convince husband to do more in the house. I just don't see how this could work. If having one toddler around is chaos, how is having a toddler and a newborn supposed to help. 

I do however, understand where the women on today's show are coming from. It seems that these women have lost themselves and no longer do what they want to do. Perhaps one or two days out of the week, they can take an afternoon to volunteer or take a class. Getting back in touch with yourself is a wonderful catharsis and can lead to better balance in life. The kids get some time away from mom to socialize with other children (if they're at the babysitter, etc) which is a wonderful thing, and mom gets to break from the chaos at home. When mom is able to get some much needed "me" time, then she can operate much better. I'm in no way saying the kids should be at babysitters all the time, but something should give. Dad gets his outlet at work, kids get their outlet playing, and mom gets her outlet doing something that she enjoys (other than cooking/housework, etc). Even one hour a week for mom to go to a pottery or painting class can help. She may even foster new friendships with other SAHM's while doing so--and having a network of friends who understand your situation is a great support! 

  

It's one thing to discuss how things will work after marriage, and another to see how it pans out in reality.  We never expected to have a disabled child. We never expected me to have MS, we never expected him to have to work 80+ hrs a week.  We didn't know to plan for those things.  I'm chronically tired, so is he. Mine is from health, his from so many hours working.  He must be rested to do his job properly, and as a paramedic that is vitally important.   

  

Our kids kick in and we're getting by, but my point is that all the planning in the world doesn't always prepare you for reality.  I used to jokingly ask if he'd take care of me if I was one day in a wheelchair, but we certainly never discussed it as a real possibility.  So many things happen that change how familys function.  One would never cover them all until they happen.   

  

Yes, it's good to discuss. But to say that our struggles are our fault because we made these choices?  I didn't choose for my daughter to be disabled, or for me to have MS, or for our house to need to many repairs all of a sudden.  S**t happened and we're left to deal with it.   

  

  

 
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October 5, 2005, 7:18 pm PDT

10/05 Moms: Cut the Chaos

Quote From: queentween

Have another kid. Have 2 kids who are on the go all the time. Have a husband who is deployed. All of these things make my life so exciting that if it got any wilder, I would be babbling in a corner! Today, the kids took one of their rescue kittens (a family of 4) into the pool while I was cleaning out the garden- so I had 2 crying kids and a kitten cube to deal with while supper was cooking (all was well- Bill the cat survived and the kids stopped crying) I don' think you can make housework exciting- its survival. I keep the radio on a hip-hop station at all times, and try not to sit down- which is pretty easy......and dance in your kitchen- its good for you and your kids will love it. Exciting? No Essential? Yes
I was going to make pretty much the same suggestions! Music. Lots of it.  We have a multiplication rap CD.  Hey, it's peppy and they're learning while we hip hop around cleaning and having fun!
 
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October 5, 2005, 7:23 pm PDT

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Quote From: reginol

I'm sure alot of you will probably not like what I have to say, but I'm going to say it anyway. I listen to all the whinning and complaining on todays show and I'm so tired of hearing about these women that don't work outside the home talking about how bad they have it. I work, go to school, my husband works and goes to school and we have a nine year old daughter that needs my time to. I don't have anytime for myself either and I only have one child. Well, get a clue, if your husband isn't helping on the first child, what makes you think he's going to help when you have 3 or four. Besides didn't you know this going into the marriage that he wasn't going to assist especially if you are a "stay at home mom"... That should be something that is discussed before you have kids. Also, women that have small kids I have some sympathy for, but those of you that have school age kids and you are home all day doing "housework", why does the house need to be cleaned everyday? If you keep up with it regularly, it shouldn't be that much. For the lady that her husband kept having a vasectomy and it didn't work, how bout changing doctor's or the woman having her tubes tied. I guess I may be too hard on some of you, but I'm really tired of hearing about all these mom's that don't work talk about how much they have to do. Stop having so many kids....

so why do you come to a mothers board about cutting chaos if you're not interested in the topic, and find our discussing it whining? 

  

Some of us ENJOY having support from other moms who love their life but get very frustrated.  If you don't like it, don't read it! 

 

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