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October 4, 2005, 11:18 pm PDT

My Cousin Kristi

My wife, China, and I were born into The Family. We appeared together on the Dr. Phil show with Jim and Kristi. I am Jim’s nephew and Kristi’s cousin.

 

I want to begin by saying, Kristi, I am proud you appeared on the Dr. Phil show. I know how hard it is to go on national television to let the world know that not only were you in The Family but that you were severely abused while in their care. Your sincerity in wanting to protect other children from what you went through is clear, and I know that you were willing to go on television for that cause. The Family ripped apart so many lives by their conviction that serving their construct of God was far more important than investing in their own children’s welfare. By appearing on television to make our case public, we are telling The Family that enough is enough. We will no longer allow them to discount our stories, nor issue a general apology that they expect us to accept. The Family must recognize their accountability over our brothers and sisters lives and their untimely deaths. It is only when they acknowledge the responsibility for what they have done to us that I will know they are worthy of the responsibility to care for those of our friends and siblings who remain in the group by operating under the law and protecting the rights of those children.

 

Kristi, I know you have issues with your Dad. As Dr. Phil asked, can you regain your trust for him? What a perfect question. But, how can you regain your trust for your dad? He was not there for you when you were abused and exploited; nor was he was around during your developmental years, when child and parent are supposed to build a foundation of love and trust. Your father was absent. In his stead, there was a cult and a mother who hated your father, and, in turn, asserted your father did not love you and was thus not worthy of your love for him. You were taught that your father was of "the world": a product of the a system which was to be hated. I know that is what they told me about Uncle Jim, and what they told me about my own mother. They had me believe that my mother was not to be trusted or loved just because she chose not to join The Family. 

 

These effects of The Family’s lies will unfortunately remain with us until the day we die. No parents are perfect, however. Even under "normal" circumstances parents and children will always have issues on which they do not see eye to eye. One of my largest discoveries since reconnecting with my mother after 15 years was realizing that neither of us will ever be perfect. I have come to understand that by expecting my mother to be perfect, I only set her up for failure and me for disappointment. I had some pretty unrealistic expectations of my mother for many years. I felt our honeymoon of reconnecting would and should have lasted a lot longer than it did. My mother is always here for me now, but there are times when I am tempted to blame her still for not being around for me in the past. As a child, I wanted nothing more than a mother of my own blood who had a shoulder for me to cry on, who would kiss me good-night and pick me up when I fell. Many times as a child I felt defenseless and it caused me to shut my heart down, resolving that the only way I could cope was to turn off the love for my mom. When I was finally able to meet with her again, it was not the "Hollywood" reunion one might envision it to be. Instead, I had to learn how to re-kindle the love for her that was repressed in the corner of my soul and defend it, protect it, and cherish it until I could let it burn on its own. I had to realize that my feelings of abandonment were mutual and that my mother loved me more than I was willing to accept.

 

The past 10 months have been crazy for all of us. We have had our fair share of accomplishments and our setbacks in the quest to bring The Family to justice. At the end of the day, however, I feel confident that we can both sit back and enjoy what we have done thus far, what you have done, what the former Second Generation Adults have done, and what even your dad has done. Hey, we made it to Dr. Phil, and it did not even take as long as we thought it would! But with all of the good, we have definitely taken our fair share of low blows. You have, I have, and so has your dad. I feel badly about how your father was portrayed on the Dr. Phil show—and I do not think even you expected things to go that far as it was only about 3 months ago we were all enjoying each other’s company. If I can put one thing into perspective, Kristi, I want to remind that your father was not the one who abused you. It was your father who was fighting for you before you were kidnapped as a child. I recently had the opportunity to visit the San Diego Superior Court House and research your mother’s and Jim’s divorce case as I wanted to see for myself if everything he has told me about fighting for you was real. What I discovered blew me away. I was amazed at how hard your dad fought for full custody of you and Nina. Back in 81', it is documented that after your dad presented to the judge The Family’s literature "Child Brides" and "God’s Whores," he told the judge that he did not want you and Nina to be brought up as "whores" for The Family; and that if your mother was to receive custody of you he was afraid that you would disappear and lose you forever. He fought hard for you in 1981 when he was in his 20s, and he is fighting just as hard for you now. It was not his choice that he missed your childhood. I could not imagine the pain I would experience if, after fighting for custody for years, my son was stolen me, taken to and then abused by a sex cult, only to be returned to me emotionally traumatized and uneducated. This is how I was returned to my mom and how you were returned to your dad. That is a horror I hope no other parent has to experience, and one that your father will do everything possible to ensure will not be repeated. I hope that someday you will appreciate his efforts and accept that it was your mom, not your dad, who let you down.

 

As soon as the show was filmed, your dad contacted Dr. Phil’s producer to attain contact information for the counselor Dr. Phil had promised; and since then, he has been attending counseling sessions regularly in an effort to mend his personal conflicts and reconcile his relationship with you. I absolutely do not blame Jim for getting discouraged with counseling in the past. I, too, sometimes feel that most of our issues are too complex for traditionally trained counselors, which is why I was discouraged with their counsel. I have to say, however, that the counselor Dr. Phil arranged to talk with me and China is amazing, and I believe the one for you will be too. You made a promise to us and Dr. Phil on national television that you, too, would accept the help that Dr. Phil has provided. Kristi, I plead with you to uphold your promise of attending the therapy sessions made available to you weeks ago and work together with your dad to re-establish the relationship The Family has taken away from you. Do not let anyone or anything obstruct your reunion, and ultimately, our family’s reunion. You have a large family who loves you and cares for you more than you know. It is my dream for our family to heal from this and my hope that this situation will result in our family showing The Family that, in spite of all the years they took from us, they never took our spirits, they never took our love. 

 

The best news I heard all day was that your brother, Jeff, had taken time to visit your dad, and that your sister, Nina, is in close contact with him. You have got a family over here that loves you and wants nothing more than for you to reconnect with your father and with us. We miss you.

Your cousin. 

 

John Jr.

 
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October 25, 2005, 9:51 am PDT

My response to The Family - John Jr.

My name is John LaMattery Jr.; I appeared on the Dr. Phil show with my wife, China.

The claim of abuse that my wife, hundreds of other second generation members and ex-members, and I suffered under The Family, which we spoke of on Dr. Phil, is factual and valid. The abuse was indoctrinated and sanctioned by The Family’s founder, David Berg, and its current leaders, Zerby and Kelly. The Family would like to think it answered China’s question posed her mother by sending our old friends and peers to answer it; however, I will not accept this response, as it is a very important question that should be answered by the person to whom it was directed. I'm certain China's mother will answer it in good time because although she may now seem conflicted, ultimately she has a good core and I know that she loves her daughter.

The Family is embarrassing itself by its refusal to confront the issues of its past. They say that sexual contact with minors became an excommunicable offence in 1986; yet, Zerby wrote in 1993 that sexual fondling of minors, when done in “love”, was appropriate under “god”. How do you police a group whose religion at one point in their history made it clear that sexual contact with minors was appropriate? How do you back peddle now and try to explain to the person who lost their innocence when they were only 5 years old or to the child who got VD at 16 months (which the Australian 60 Minutes revealed in an October show) that it was supposed to be done in love; and that, if is was done in love, then they should be a-okay? Things went terribly too far. Now the children who you abused are smarter and stronger than you would have ever dreamed, and are asking you for answers. It is not the public that deserves an answer; it is your own flesh and blood, your children.

Instead of the first generation answering us directly, they have sent our old friends and peers to speak for them. The problem I have with relying on your children who remain in The Family to write statements in your defense is two fold:

1) The sexual abuse we received was not perpetrated by them; it was by their parents.
2) Sending them to your front lines because your cowardice holds you back from answering for your own mistakes exploits them once again. You are hiding behind their innocence and incapacity to think critically

No one said that it was your children, our peers, who abused us. We said it was the first generation parents. Why are they not in front of the camera defending their practices? Sending your kids out to do your dirty work by trying to discredit Daniel Roselle, China, and me is not going to get society’s attention or respect. It is so obvious that many of these kids have not been able to distinguish between what does and does not constitute “abuse”.

Trends have shown that second generation adults who have left The Family at times suffer from the inability to adapt to the outside world. They often feel lost, alone, angry and upset at their past, on top of having no bona-fide tools or credentials that will help them exist in society at large. These patterns suggest emotional and intellectual abuse, if not also sexual abuse, since it is a parent’s duty to prepare their child to function, and hopefully be happy and productive, in society. Patterns show that The Family’s parents have not provided the necessary tools for their children’s successful existence beyond The Family’s perception of life. This is one form of abuse. Simple. The Family cannot expect everyone of their children to remain members. The parents that remain must therefore put in place a system for preparing those children, who wish to leave, for the outside world. Otherwise, The Family’s idealism, whether intentional or not, functions like a prison: you violate your children’s God-given freedom to choose what lifestyle they deem appropriate, and so limit their potential to excel to the confines of your own system. This subtle form of abuse is possibly more detrimental than the graphic sexual abuse, which has gained so much pubic attention of late. It is something all second generation members, both former and current, have in common.

Some of us have fully integrated into society and become successful in our fields, be it business, scholastics, etc. I have read some of your statements on myconclusion.com suggesting that former second generation individuals should attribute these successes to their being raised in The Family. This point is tricky. As for me, a fairly successful businessman, I attribute none of my success to The Family’s indoctrinations. If anything, The Family was strictly a motivator for me to excel in my areas of interest in order to prove to them that one can find happiness outside of their world view. My experience in The Family has thus strengthened my character, like the strength one builds by lifting weights. I feel fortunate that I have become strong enough to place my experiences properly, and thereby, sublimate the negative experiences of my past into my dreams for the future in order to produce a positive outcome. I attribute this ability to transform negative to positive to the support system of friends and family that I have discovered since leaving the family. It is my goal to extend this support to my peers, especially to those who feel alone and perhaps incapable of overcoming the almost insurmountable obstacles we face in adapting to society. I believe that those who are able have the responsibility to support those who need it, and to give voice to those who, for whichever reasons, are not currently able to articulate their past experiences.

As for the purported biased presentation of The Family on the Dr. Phil show, which many current Family members are upset and extremely angry about, understand that this is our own experience and we stand by what was presented. The only ones responsible for not defending The Family on the show are The Family’s own leaders. We invited The Family to appear a month before the show was produced. China and I invited people, Jim invited your spokesperson, as did Dr. Phil’s producers. The Family declined all invitations. Members who are upset should focus their grievances over not being represented fairly towards The Family leadership. It is out of their cowardice to face us on the media stage that you feel betrayed. Instead of facing us, they have hid behind their members, encouraging you to spam our emails and write statements of denial on your websites that go unseen and unnoticed by the public, and do nothing to reconcile our differences. They say, “He who has nothing to hide has nothing to fear.” Ask your leaders the difficult questions: what they are afraid of and why they are hiding behind you?

I want The Family to rest assured knowing that I will continue to pool my resources available to challenge The Family’s integrity and right to exist as an organization until The Family steps up to the plate and works with all of us to find closure. Here are my demands:

1) Access. Allow any and all bona-fide victims access to their abusers if the victims feel the need to pursue prosecution. This will put boundaries in your ranks and will force the paedophiles to surface, as well as bring an awareness of any sexual predators in your communities. The Family might want to establish a neutral third party to filter any allegations. This will ensure that they are willing to pay for the errors of their past and are trying to protect the children, many of whom are our brothers and sisters, which remain in their care.


2) Renounce its former leader, David Berg, and current leaders, Zerby and Kelly. It is because of these individual’s control and manipulation that my childhood and those of my peers was exploited and destroyed. By renouncing these leaders you will prove to me that you are willing to mature as an organization and are ready to make the many needed changes within your establishment.


3) Ensure that your children have the right to a full education. I support home schooling kids; I do not support The Family home schooling kids because of their inconsistencies and lack of success. The Family needs to prepare their children for life outside of the group at the age of majority, just as much as they are preparing them for life inside. Support higher education and the process of obtaining it.

4) Allow your members to join the secular workforce. Protect your children from being exploited financially and relied upon to bring in income for their homes. I do not have an issue with Boy Scouts selling cookies to raise support on occasion, but to have your children as some of your homes’ sole providers is unethical and inhumane.

I will do everything in my power to ensure that you do not establish legitimacy in my country and that any form of legitimacy you now have will be scrutinized until the above is recognized. It is your unwillingness to cooperate with us and your denial that the abuse we suffered was condoned by the top leadership which has made us your enemy. Jesus said, “Suffer the little children to come unto me, for such is the kingdom of Heaven.” In your zeal to preach to the world a message of free-sex and salvation, you forgot your own children and now must accept the consequences of your actions. Many of your children are now your worst enemy and will haunt you until you realize that the damage you have inflicted on them is valid, you make sincere steps towards reconciliation, and abolish those forms of tyrannical control within your organization.


John Jr.






 
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August 29, 2006, 12:50 pm PDT

This is John, Jim's nephew

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THIS IS NINA KRISTI'S OLDEST SISTER AND I HAPPEN TO KNOW MY DAD IS A GREAT FATHER. NOONE CAN SAY THAT THEY COULD'VE DONE BETTER TO TRY AND GET THEIR KIDS BACK BUT THEIR KIDS. AND AS ONE OF HIS KIDS HE TRIED EVEN WITH FORCE. WHAT WE WERE WHEN WE WERE REUNITED WITH HIM IS NOT HIS FAULT BUT IS MY MOTHERS. I KNOW THAT HE DIDN'T NOT WANT TO RASIE US IN THE CULT AND TOOK STEPS TO RASIE US OUT OF THE CULT. WE WERE KIDNAPED.

I appeared on the show with Jim, Kristi and my wife and I have to agree with my cousin Nina’s post. Jim has always shown us a tremendous amount of love and respect. He never abused his children and has gone to great lengths to help them re-socialize and create a normal life for themselves. Jim has always been more than good to my little family of 3 and has always come to our aid when we needed him.

 

I hope Jim has the opportunity to publish his book as we all need more information out in the community on groups like The Family and the Colorado city cult. I feel it’s important that people understand why their children, friends or relatives join secret societies and cults and one of the only ways this will come to light is with the help of the Jims and others that have these experiences and can share them with others. I also agree with the other viewers that any pedophile or parent that abused children, whether in a cult or not, should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, this is why we are working with the FBI and other agencies. Jim was never an abuser, Jim was not in The Family while abuse occurred. Kristi was born 2 years after Jim left the group and was never abused by him. Nina and Kristi were kidnapped by their mother and STEP father and The Family made them untraceable just as they did with me and my sisters from my mother. My cousins were abused by their mother and by their step father unknown at the time to Jim.

 

Most culties don't originally join cults. They join benign groups that turn into cults. They join for all different reasons but generally to find acceptance, a good cause, or to escape addiction or problems at home. Many believe that they are helping to better society and themselves and that’s the hook for soliciting them. The Family started as a “typical 60’s commune” according to Dr. Phil, that eventually went south and Jim left at the start of that shift as did many others. I do not fault a teenager in the 60’s for experimenting with their spirituality and faith by joining what appears to be a “Christian Youth Movement” that provided alternatives to drugs and their troubles. Because of the turbulence of the teenage years, teens are easy targets for cult recruiters.  Studying cults is fascinating and in my studies and experience I have found that cults generally start out one way but end up a whole different ball game altogether after their members cut themselves off from the world and after their leader gains more control of their conscious.

 

Jim is an uncle to be proud of and a man of ethics. The show was unable to capitalize on this point but I hope that in the future he will have an opportunity clarify it. My prayer is that Kristi and Jim will continue to heal from years of separation and exploitation and that all the parents and children that experienced The Family will find a way to mend their broken relationships and shattered lives. It’s also my hope that this nightmare will cease and that the authorities will find the evidence they need to bring the abusers to justice.  

 

 
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August 31, 2006, 6:25 pm PDT

No Justice?

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This week I watched the episode on the Children of God.  I was shocked to say the least.  I started looking further into this horrendous cult.  I watched the British documentary about Ricky and the cult.  I watched the Anderson Cooper interview, other shows about the cult, and read many articles, including the excellent article in Rolling Stone regarding Ricky.  I have also viewed several websites that contained the vile literature that this group put out.  Having had a normal childhood, I can't begin to imagine the horror these second generation survivors are dealing with, but I can understand why you want justice.  It's almost become an obsession for me, so I can't imagine how you deal with what has happened to you.  My question is why haven't people like Sara Davidito and Karen Zerby been brought to justice?  Are any lawyers trying to go after the cult leaders for a civil lawsuit?  Isn't having the "Book of Davidito" and the other photos and writings enough?  I can't agree that these people will "get their just rewards at the end of their life."  They need to be brought to justice now!!  I know it won't take the pain away from these second generation victims, but it may help them begin healing.  I know it's not just these two women but many others (like "King" Peter).  It sounds like the FBI is investigating, but I can't figure out why they haven't arrested these child rapists.  I would so appreciate hearing from a survivor why justice has evaded you.  Also, I find these second generation survivors to be so articulate and passionate about their cause.  The "movingon.org" website is excellent.  Please know people are listening! 

Many of the crimes against us were committed abroad while we were younger by people with pseudonyms and “bible names”. The FBI is very much ready to prosecute any and all child molesters however they need victims whose statute of limitations period has not expired and they need for the ones who are able to prosecute to be strong enough to testify against their molesters, this type of strength takes years to build due to our unusual upbringing. Generally by the time they are strong enough to confront their molester it’s too late as their turn to prosecute has come and gone. I would love for the statute of limitations on child abuse to be extended until the victim is 30, this would solve our dilemma.

 

Attorneys do not want to take a class action suite on against the group because, unlike the Catholic church, technically they do not exist as an organization and their assets are untraceable. Although we know millions of dollars run through the group, it’s nearly impossible to verify it. Like a terrorist organization, most of the $$ is traded person to person and through “mules” as The Family calls them, not via bank transfer.

 

We are prepared to assist any victim that falls within the statute of limitations to pursue justice, but until someone comes forward with a prosecutable case all we can do is warn others about association and hope that we can move forward into our new lives and careers without too much incident. This is why we appeared on the Dr. Phil show. Moving on has been easier for some, for others this is impossible and many have turned to suicide and a couple, like Ricky, to murder.  

 

Most of the parents or “first generation” who have first hand knowledge of the abuse inflicted on us have done very little to assist the FBI because of their own fears of prosecution. What they stood by and watched was horrific and what they participated in is unfathomable. Unfortunately their own guilty conscience holds them back from doing what’s right.

 

Welcome to our predicament.

 

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