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October 5, 2005, 2:00 pm PDT

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 I think that 3 people should be allowed to marry.  What if they are bisexual?  Isn't it discriminatory to say only  2 people can marry?   Who ever came up with the magic number of 2 anyway?   Probably the same person who came up with 'one man one woman'. 

And why can't grown adults who are related marry.  Who are we to tell an adult male and his adult daughter that they don't have the right to marry?

Okay, I'm being sarcastic but I do believe that the idea of marriage orginated with God and once we start messing with His definitions, we could find ourselves not knowing where to stop drawing the new lines. 
 
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October 5, 2005, 2:13 pm PDT

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Now that the recent bill was passed here, it is legal for gay couples to marry anywhere in Canada. The law allows any minister to follow their own heart about this issue. No one is forced to perform a marriage they don't believe in but, fortunately, there are a great many ministers who are pleased to marry a happy couple. 

  

I've always believed in equity when it comes to the right of consenting adults marrying and as a happily married heterosexual, I don't see the sanctity of my wonderful marriage being sullied by any two happily married adults no matter their sexual preferences.  

  

Currently, a friend of mine is helping out a senior couple who have been separated by illness. They are a couple who have been together for over 30 years but, because they are both women and from a time when there was a stigma against gay relationships, they have always claimed to be "just friends". Sadly, one member of the couple became ill and had to be placed in a full care nursing home and it was then that her partner realized she would have to "come out". As a married couple, they would be able to automatically be placed in the same facility with the healthy partner helping with care but as "friends", the partner doesn't qualify to live there. My friend is helping them establish their relationship in order to ensure they can continue to be together well into old age.  

  

  

As far as the bible and homosexuality, I'm amazed that anyone could read the book of Ruth without realizing that she and Naomi were involved in a loving relationship. In the first book of Samuel, the relationship between David and Jonathan also appears to be a loving one.  

 Regarding comments about Ruth and Naomi and David and Jonathan being in loving relationships, where on earth do you get the idea these were gay relationships?   Ruth was Naomi's daughter in law. 
 
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October 5, 2005, 2:16 pm PDT

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Ok everyone.  It's no one's business who wants to get married.  I by no means think that judges or ministers who do not agree with it should be forced to marry a gay couple but it should be allowed.  No one has the right to tell anyone who they can and can not marry.  It's simply not fair.  Religion has to much power in this country.  It needs to change.  I understand that it is man and woman in the bible, but some people do not have the same beliefs.  If we are all gods' children then he will love us for who we are not who we marry.  Thank You for listening. 

 Well then adult brothers and sister should be allowed to marry, right?  We shouldn't have the right to say who can and can't marry.  As well, there should be no limit on the number of 2 people being allowed to marry.   It's none of our business if three or four people want to get married, right? 
 
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October 6, 2005, 9:32 am PDT

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 I was actually being sarcastic when I said that 3 or 4 people should be allowed to get married.   I do believe in the laws of God and believe He knew what He was doing when he set them forth.

It was in response to those who are saying it's none of our business or the governement's business:   if you were to ask them if three people should be allowed to marry, or should an adult brother and sister be allowed to marry, they would probably answer 'no' to both.

I also believe that the ideal parents for children is one mom and one dad. 


 
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October 7, 2005, 1:05 pm PDT

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For those of you that believe the Bible, good for you. But the United States isn't for Christians only. I was raised Jewish. I have friends who are Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, Hindu and Buddhist, and they all pay the same amount of taxes to this country and have the same right to worship or don't worship as they see fit. So don't use the Bible in legal matters. My father is Caucasian and my mother is Filipina, people in this country used the Bibled against interracial marriage not that long ago and according to some Christians I should have never been born because their book tells them so. 

  

As far as gay marriage goes, I don't realy see heterosexuals really keeping the "sanctity of marriage" alive. I really don't think gays could do any worse.  

  

Many gay people have children, being married would protect their children to have two parents instead of the non biological one or legal guardian just completely skipping on their obligations. So allowing gays to get married would protect children. Also, it would allow gays to protect themselves and their own assests better and have their spouse benefit from SS and medical benefits.  

  

I am not saying that you necessarily have to agree with their lifestyle, but no one is asking for you to. There are heterosexuals that do things all the time that I disagree with on ethical grounds but it's still their business. 

  

BTW, I am a happy, heterosexual female in a monogamous relationship. 

Are you raising boys?
 
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October 7, 2005, 1:08 pm PDT

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 Loretta:

Are you raising boys?

As well, are you opposed to more than two people marrying.  What are your thoughts on, say 2 women and 1 man marrying each other?  Is it 'wrong' and why?

 
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October 7, 2005, 3:52 pm PDT

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 Loretta:

You said you are against more than 2 people getting married.  Why?  Aren't you descriminating against bisexuals or people who love more than just one person?    Aren't you judging here?   Why have you drawn the line at 2?  Isn't this  your own personal bias?  Should it be against the law to allow more than 2 to marry?  What does the government have to do with marriage anyway?

And what about the adult sister and brother who want to marry.   Should this be allowed?  If no, why not?  If no, who are you to make the rules and judge others? 

Dljgb2 and artemis21:  Do you believe that more than 2 should be allowed to marry, or that an adult brother and sister should be allowed to marry? 

Loretta:  You stated you and your female partner were raising girls and that you didn't understand the significance of the question.  DId you adopt these girls or were they born, if you don't mind the question.
Do you not understand that a boy needs a father?  In many cases, like divorce, kids lose out when a father figure leaves the home.  However, this kind of thing happens.  Again, I stated the IDEAL is for kids to have both a mother and father.  It doesn't mean that kids can't be raised to be good people without it, but I maintain that this is the ideal situation. 
 
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October 7, 2005, 3:59 pm PDT

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 Loretta:

Are you raising boys?

As well, are you opposed to more than two people marrying.  What are your thoughts on, say 2 women and 1 man marrying each other?  Is it 'wrong' and why?

 I have seen evidence for being born gay before that didn't convince me of anything but would like to view more, if you'd like to post it.

BTW  Loretta:  I do believe that gay people can raise children better than many straight heterosexual couples, but I just don't think it's what God intended marriage to be.   Jesus stated one man, one woman.  If we want to use the God of the Bible as the basis for morality, then it is difficult to state that gay marriage is condoned by God. 
 
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October 7, 2005, 6:53 pm PDT

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I don't think there should be such a big fuss made over gay/lesbian marriage. Why should they be treated any different than the rest of us fellow humans? Whom does it disturb (and whose business is it, anyways) if a gay or lesbian couple want to get married? People should feel free to choose their life partner.
Was it your intent to deceive people into thinking that you were in a homosexual marriage?  I am not the only one who thought so.  Maybe if you go back and read your post, you will wonder why we 'assumed' you were in a homosexual relationship.

You asked me a question which I will answer after you've answered the ones I've asked you.
 
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October 7, 2005, 7:52 pm PDT

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 Loretta:

You said you are against more than 2 people getting married.  Why?  Aren't you descriminating against bisexuals or people who love more than just one person?    Aren't you judging here?   Why have you drawn the line at 2?  Isn't this  your own personal bias?  Should it be against the law to allow more than 2 to marry?  What does the government have to do with marriage anyway?

And what about the adult sister and brother who want to marry.   Should this be allowed?  If no, why not?  If no, who are you to make the rules and judge others? 

Dljgb2 and artemis21:  Do you believe that more than 2 should be allowed to marry, or that an adult brother and sister should be allowed to marry? 

Loretta:  You stated you and your female partner were raising girls and that you didn't understand the significance of the question.  DId you adopt these girls or were they born, if you don't mind the question.
Do you not understand that a boy needs a father?  In many cases, like divorce, kids lose out when a father figure leaves the home.  However, this kind of thing happens.  Again, I stated the IDEAL is for kids to have both a mother and father.  It doesn't mean that kids can't be raised to be good people without it, but I maintain that this is the ideal situation. 
 Loretta: 

Sorry about the mix up. 

I'm new to this board and am having a bit of trouble. 

Can someone tell me how to post just part of someone's quote or do I have to post the entire page?

Anyway, above are the questions I had asked you.  Now, if you can tell me why you wouldn't allow three to marry, as well as why you feel you have the right to decide that for someone else, you might want to go a step further and figure out why that might be detrimental to America's 'family values' in general.   Or, if you have taken a stand and decided that brothers and sisters who are adults should not marry, then you can also take that a step further and answer why it would be harmful to family values.  Your answers to these two questions would be very similar to my answer to your question of how allowing homosexual marriages harms society. 

I'll answer briefly anyway.  Personally, if we are a society that follows God's laws, then we shouldn't condone gay marriage because it will obviously send a message that gay marriage is okay.  If it's not okay in God's eyes, it shouldn't be okay in society's eyes.  I don't think we should teach our children that what is wrong is actually right.  I think it sends a harmful message to them.  That's my take. 

If you believe that the God of the Bible condones homosexual marriage, then we can discuss that too.  So far, I've found nothing to state this is true. 

I've also never seen anything to convince me that homosexuality is something people are born with.  Again, I'd be willing to look at evidence that suggests that this is true if you want to post it.


 

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