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November 1, 2005, 7:38 pm PST

Sounds like my mom!

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I believe controlling mothers (and fathers) need to let go or they might end up chasing away all the people who love them.  My mother was (and is) very much like the mothers on the show today.  I believe her low self -esteem etc. was a major cause in her problems.  Now my parents are divorced and my dad is non-exist.  My mom lives with my grandmother and my youngest brother, she works as a CNA and has no propects for anything good to happen in her life.  And as of last night I was chased away, literally. 

 I never felt as though I good measure up to my parents expectations.  When I was a teenager I always tried to explain that we were good kids, we did not smoke, do drugs, drink, party etc.  I had great grades and I participated in swimming and church activities.  However, I still thought I needed to be better. 

In collage I became so overwelmed that I eventally was suspended for bad grades.  Apparently that took the pressure off because my parents left my alone when it came to school issues and when I returned to school I graduated in a 1 1/2 with almost all As. 

But then I got married (planning the wedding was horrible in itself) and I have an 11 month girl.  Now my mother trys to controll my baby's time and my life as a mother.  She lives 2 hours away but wants to see me at least once a month.  She gets mad if I do not plan to come for holidays and when I try to split time with my inlaws she makes me feel like I let her down. 

Anyway last night when I was at her house I wanted to spend some time with my in laws but she assumed I agreed to do Halloween with her.  (My inlaws assumed the same thing and they are now mad at me also).  There was a fight between my mom and I.  She held my baby weeping because my baby doesn't know her!  She threated to take my baby if I left.  So i left and drove the 3 hour drive home in the dark with only my baby.   

As of this moring my mother left a message that she should just die because her kids all are leaving her alone and that I never have to see here again.  She eneded by saying she will send my brother up in a rental car at christmas. 

To be honest I am not mad at anyone.  I just was trying to make everyone happy and ended up making everyone mad.  I only want to have my own life.  I wish my husband would get a job accross the country so I can get away. 

I only hope that I do not do the same things to my children. 

(by the way my brothers feel much they same way) 

 OMG!!  I think that your mother is channelling mine!

My mom was upset that  I decided to go to university.  After all, a woman is supposed to get married and find a nice man to look after her, and education just makes people snobs, and BLAH BLAH BLAH!  She even had my husband picked out for me when I was 17.  She still brings him up when we talk, and that was nearly 20 years ago!  If I hear 'why did you dump H.' one more time, I think that I will lose my freakin' mind!!!!

When I told her that I was pregnant (deliberately and happily unmarried to the father for the last 10 years), we had a huge fight.  Even though this happened at my house (my partner's name is after mine on the deed), WE left because she wouldn't, even after my partner threatened to call the cops and have her removed.  The worst part was that my two youngest nieces were there and heard the whole thing, even though I sent them to their room when the fireworks started.  I was two months pregnant and didn't see her again until I was nearly nine months.

Anyhow, my babe is now eight months old, and we see my folks every couple of months.  I refuse to see her when my father isn't there.  The practical advice that I have for you, since our mothers sound so similar, is to not catch her guilt when she tries to throw it at you (my mom does the same thing ALL of the time).  If that means not communicating with her until she backs off, then so be it.  If she wants to put your brother in a rental car and send him up for Christmas, that's her choice.  Make sure that you invite your grandmother, too.  Eventually, your mother will get tired of sulking and want to come and play with the rest of the family again.  When she does (or earlier, through another relative if the vieled suicidal threats are a regular thing) suggest, lovingly and gently, that she get some help for her depression.  My  mother has actually improved since starting medication.

Just remember what Dr. Phil always says, "We teach people how to treat us".

You're a grown woman, and your mother will only treat you as badly as you let her.  I know that that's very hard to beleive, but it's true.  Things with my mom have very much improved since I stopped letting her put me down!  And yes, I do know that it's easier said than done.

Best of Luck!!
 

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November 10, 2005, 7:28 pm PST

11/10 Infidelity Aftermath

 Danielle could be my mom!!

I had to calm down a bit before I could post  so that I wouldn't say something really nasty, so, here goes.....

WHAT THE H*** ARE YOU THINKING?!!  How bloody selfish can you be?  You're being vicious, not only to your husband (who appears to have the patience of a saint), but also to your children, including the one you are carrying.  I grew up with rumours and innuendoes that my mother's husband was not my father, and it nearly destroyed me.  How do you think your baby will feel growing up KNOWING his/her father is not your husband?  GROW UP and get a divorce if things with Chris are really that bad.  At least your kids will have a chance at not being messed up.
 

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November 13, 2005, 9:00 am PST

It's all about what you want in life

Quote From: cajunwoman

Well, I too have recently found out my husband of nearly 20 years was cheating on me.  I thinkg I must have deliberately blinded myself to his infidelity.  Our marriage has always been a bit fiery.  We haven't had the best of intimate lives in over 6 years.  We have 2 children (boy 19, girl 12), and an daughter-in-law to be (who also happend to be carrying my 1st grandchild).  I found out on September 23rd the truth of his infidelity, through his email account.  I had been very curious for about a week before.  His emails were very devastating.  He had even written a "contract" for them to meet every other Monday morning where they would spend time together enjoying mutual friendship, passion, pleasure and more.  His last email to her said "lets get married".  Yes, he wasn't actually proposing, but the message was clear.  It turns out that the "affair" has been going on for about a year, with a woman that he has known for about 2.  He sold her a car for her daughter, and from then on it began.  At first he said it was friendship, then he started having oral sex with her.  He swears it never went farther, even his emails state that.  Then he says it went back to being just friends and him helping her with her studies.  By the way, she is married with 2 teenagers as well, her husband is military.   I so wanted to kick him out on the day I confronted him.  He cried and said he wanted to save our marriage.  He had been with her that very evening, supposedly breaking it off with her.  He says it is over, he promised to never contact her again.  But just today I found her number on his cell phone.  I also found a voicemail from her stating that she had missed his call and asking him to call her back, then closed the message by saying "I Love You".  I am sure many of you on this board can imagine my thoughts and feelings at discovering this.  The schmuck hd let our son's fiance borrow his cellphone for job hunting purposes, and didn't even thing to clear out his evidence.  Man, I really don't know what to do.  We have been going to counselling, with a pastor that I trust implicitly, for over a month now.  As a matter of fact, we were supposed to go to a session tonight.  Unfortunately our pastor couldn't make it, so we went to the mall with the kids instead.  The other day he asked me how committed I was to making this work (I had been having a real bad week where everything he did was making me mad), I told him if I wasn't he wouldn't still be in the house.  Our 20th anniversary was last Wednesday.  I didn't acknowledge it at all, he was very upset about that.  I just didn't know how to, or whether I even wanted to, acknowledge it.  I realized 2 days ago that was the reason for my bad week.  But, now I find myself ready to ask him the same question, seeing as how he is still in contact with this woman.   

Thanks for letting me vent.  Any advise is welcome 

I grew up watching my parents cheat on each other.  My mom would start it, then my dad would cheat to get even.  It wasn't what you would call a happy childhood, if I can be totally selfish for a minute.  The house was always full of tension and nobody talked about their real feelings, it was always just passive aggression and you were supposed to 'know' how everyone else was feeling without being told.  I had lots of self esteem problems as a child.  I think it was partially because my mom was always trying to make everything look perfect to the outside world, instead of fixing what was really wrong.

My first serious relationship was supposed to be an open one, but didn't turn out well.  Infidelity is infidelity, even when it's 'allowed'.

I've spent a lot of time and money in therapy, and think I finally have my act together.  Unfortunately, my relationships with my parents are still strained, especially my mother.  I think that I blame her mostly for the emotionally barren landscape that I grew up in.  My parents are still together, and actually seem to be getting along better than they ever did.

Now to the point, as I didn't post all of this just to vent.  You have to decide what you want.  I sincerely believe, based on my own experience, that a relationship plagued by infidelity will always be so.  Do you want to always live in an atmosphere of distrust and hostility, or would you rather free yourself (and your children, who know way more than you think they do) so that you can find your own happiness?  My parents are still together, but they seem to thrive on their warped, co-dependant sickness.

I wish you the best of luck!
 

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November 13, 2005, 3:18 pm PST

He's always going to do it

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My husband and I have been married for a little over 3 years.  In the 3 years he has been deployed to Iraq twice, each for a year and is expected home in late January or early February.  He has cheated on me I don't know how many times, including New Years when he kissed another woman with me standing there.  We have a two year old son and I now know we both deserve better!!  I made this decision in September when I found out he had profiles on two different internet dating sites.  He thinks that I wont ever leave him because I haven't stood up for my self before.  My dad cheated on my mom when I was growing up and, God bless her, my mom is a strong woman.  She decided to stay with him and I can honestly say that they are truly "in love" now.  However, I told my husband from the very beginning that if he ever cheated on me I wasn't that strong and I wouldn't stay with him.  But I did, and I did, and I did...  Now, my family thinks that he is just great., anything that he does they make excuses for and instead ask me what I'm doing to make him do these things.  I'm having a hard time knowing what to say to them.  I know it's none of their business, but I do value their opinions and I don't want to hurt the "family." I've been known to say that I would sacrifice my happiness to make everyone else happy,  but I'm tired of everyone else being happy and me being miserable.  Any advice??
for as long as you let him get away with it!!  Also, pardon me for saying so, but f*** your family.  They aren't the  ones that have to live with his disrespect and abuse.  If they're asking what you did to cause him to cheat, then they obviously don't think enough of you either.  The fact that your mom stayed with your dad suggests to me (just my opinion, as I only know what you said in your very short post) that she has self esteem problems or is a misogynist, rather than a pillar of strength (probably both).

Also, just an observation, but your willingness to sacrifice your own happiness suggests that you also have some self respect issues.  Do you want your son to grow up thinking that this kind of behaviour is OK, or that his mother is worthless?  You obviously grew up thinking that a man could walk all over a woman, as long as he was a dutiful provider, or whatever.

Sorry if the above sounds harsh, but I also grew up in a family of infidelity, and although I've been in therapy, the anger still remains, especially when I hear about someone else repeating the cycle.

My advice, girlfriend, is to run, run, as fast as you can.

I wish you the best.
 

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November 15, 2005, 6:49 am PST

You crack me up!

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I am not going to go into the many ways that nursing without a blanket is more discreet than with (no drawing attention to yourself, you are more covered)... 

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What are you saying, that it is indecent to nurse? If not, then why do women need to be discreet? 

I could care less who is sitting there, whether it's the Queen of Narnia, president of the United States or a homeless sexual offender. I am going to nurse my baby. I will not take my baby anywhere I don't feel safe, so I would not nurse him in an alley or a warzone unless I were trapped there. 

Everyone of every age should recognize that nursing is how babies eat, not something that women should be ashamed of. If you are teaching that to your little children then you are perpetuating an injustice and a social attitude that harms babies because it contributes to more moms being afraid to nurse, using formula, which is no substitute and leads to disease. 

 You go, girl!!

I've read several of your posts admiringly, but this one made me laugh out loud.  Thanks for the smile!
 

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November 15, 2005, 7:16 am PST

10/07 The Latest Debates

Quote From: leznats75

It's been about a month since I saw this show and I can't stop thinking about it.  Today I came here and read your message and just had to respond.   

Why is this topic so clear cut with you as it is with so many others?   

"Everyone of every age should recognize that nursing is how babies eat, not something that women should be ashamed of"  

 ... NURSING ia ONE WAY to feed your baby, mother natures' way, and those who don't have nothing to be ashamed about either.  Teaching our children what harms babies by contributing to more mothers being afraid to nurse and leading to diaseas.  Are you so self centred and arrogant that you really believe mothers who don't nurse do so because of  fear?  Or maybe you're one of those who believe non breastfeeders are selfish and just don't truly love their children.  Sorry but it is not  easy for you to say why women don't  brestfeed..  And who are you to judge those that don't?  You are coming acrossed as a VERY narrow minded person who in my opinion will teach your children to be the same. I am sure that there are those out there as the women on the show who think brestfeeding period is indecent.  But for those as myself who feel there is a way to be discreet and show some self repect not to mention respect to others you ASSUME we think ill manners things about breastfeeding.  I am a mother of three and not that it is any of your business nor to have to defend my choices I am a non brestfreeding mother.  So do you think I was too afraid to do so too?  My explanation if I felt you had a right to know may or may not surprise you.  Formula was developed not to harm babies but to feed them and give mothers a choice and option.  Women don't breastfeed for numerous reasons.  And it is completely unfair to judge us and so narrow mindingly clump together some reason why.  Look... breasrtfeeding is the best option we all have heard the stats, and yes women should have the right to feed the child in public.  But is it so insulting to ask for someone to be a little more discreet.  I find it VERY insulting for those who assume ill manners on us who don't breastfeed.  And for your thoughts on what contributes in the increase of bottle feeding.....I think you should stop for a moment and realize that for no matter the reason a baby is bottle: attitudes and comments like yours can contributes to a mother doubting her self worth.  I am not less than you because I didn't breastfeed and my children are not sick either.  After my first born, who is nine I had weeks of self doubt and constant tears because someone like you made me feel that it was wrong to bottle feed and that I was not a good mother and my son would pay for my choice.  That nurse was wrong and so are you.  My son is healthly and bright.   My  youngest will be three months in a few days and I stil get strangers in the mall or out during walks come up and say "oh what a wonderfull baby...you're breastfeeding?"  I thought the first question was usually boy or girl.  I am glad for you that you are breastfeeding I just would perfer if you weren't so quick to pass judgement on those of  us who don't.   

 That's horrible!!!  I mean, I think it's horrible that a nurse  laid a guilt trip on you for using formula.

It's not my place to interpret some one else's comments, but badtrip has never, to my knowledge, said moms who choose formula are inferior.  She has had lots of vicious things said ABOUT her by the anti-nursing lobby on this board, though.  So, don't be surprised if she doesn't respond to clarify her position, as that seems to have resulted in bringing out the nasties for her before.

Having said that, please also remember that, just as choosing not to breastfeed doesn't make one against breastfeeding, being pro-breastfeeding doesn't automatically make one anti-formula (even if one is EXTREMELY pro-breastfeeding).

I wish the best to you and yours!
 

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November 19, 2005, 7:50 pm PST

Living Together

 I've read a lot  (not all) of the posts here, and they sound really sad.  If you have your heart set on getting married, then don't stay with a man who doesn't.  It's really sad to hear all these women talking about how their man is stringing them along without the promises ever being realised.  If he lies to you, just leave!!

Personally, I've been married, and will NEVER do it again!  I have been living with my current partner for about 10 years and our first child is 8 months old.  I am totally happy, and I like to think that he is, too.  The only real problem in our relationship (and it's not even our problem) is that my mom thinks that you have to be married to legitimize a relationship.  I keep trying to tell her that a ceremony does not ensure upright, honorable behaviour (look at the divorce stats if you don't believe me) but she keeps bitching and moaning and I'm getting really tired of her guilt trips.  Shouldn't she be happy that I'm happy, rather than try to make things look good for the neighbors?

ARRGH!! Sorry, all!  I didn't mean to start complaining about her, but rather, to post saying you can be perfectly happy cohabitating rather than letting society tell you how to structure your relationships.  If, however, you have your heart set on that walk down the isle, then DON'T stay with a man who won't or can't give it to you.

Any functional relationship has to be built on trust and respect, and if you can't give each other that, no ceremony will give it to you!

 

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November 20, 2005, 8:58 am PST

Living Together

Quote From: crystal528

I agree you can cohabitate with out getting married. Not all people are bound to get married. I agree, that if two peole can agree on cohabitating with out getting married, that is their choice, and they should be happy in that. If one person is wanting to be married and one not, that is a true sign that it will never work. 

  

My belief is that a committment should be bound under God. Everyone is different. If you can have an honest and respectful union without marriage that both people respect, that is between the two in the relationship. It just seems in these message boards that the woman is wanting to be married and the man never is. The woman is always sacrificing her beliefs for the man.  

  

The women need to find what their heart's desire. Its sick how many women try to change men, or compromise their beliefs for men. Be true to yourself and you will never go wrong. 

  

 You've totally nailed it!  You can NEVER go into a relationship expecting to change the other person, or force them to give you something that they just haven't got.  I find myself wondering why it's the women who always want to get married.  Is it because little girls have the idea of the perfect wedding day drilled into their heads from day 1, or is it because not a lot of men post here?  Or maybe because little girls are often taught to put other people's wants ahead of their own needs? 

All I know is that I feel more honest not being married than I ever would getting married and then not honouring my vows.  I'm thinking here of the 'Infidelity Aftermath' show that was on recently.  I have no desire to find another man, and my partner has too much self respect to cheat.  That would never change, ceremony or not.

I don't agree with you about the 'bound under God' thing, but I do want to say THANK-YOU THANK-YOU THANK-YOU for being a live and let live believer!  "Judge not lest you be judged" or something like that.  It's amazing how many people profess a belief in the Christian God, but forget  everything Jesus said about not condemning!

I wish the best for you and yours!
 

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November 20, 2005, 9:34 am PST

11/21 Childhood Secrets

Quote From: pattywagon

Recently my daughter revealed (after holding it in for a year and suffering anxiety attacks) that one of her cousins touched her inappropriately.  I had an extremely close relationship with all of my sisters until my daughter revealed this.  [I thank God that my daughter finally spoke up, that alone has helped her immensely.  Unfortunately, my nephew is denying it and  my sister does not believe my daughter........which to me is like adding salt to a wound.  This whole event has effected our entire family.  Other family members, while they might believe it happened, are treating me and acting like I am the one who did wrong by reporting it.  I wanted to deal with it through counseling but my sister never followed through and doing nothing wasn't an option for me or my daughter.  Please help.
 You are so great for believing and supporting your daughter!  With a super mom  like you (and some really good counseling) I know that she will pull through, even from something so horrible.  That's always the hardest part for victims of this sort of thing, is the fear that even if they do tell no one will believe them, or else that they will be blamed for starting it.

You can not force someone else to take responsibility for their actions, or even behave properly, but you can control your response to their bad behaviour.  Hold you head high and keep loving your daughter the way that you have been.  She will see your fine example and will grow past this, no matter how hard things are now.

I am a little worried about your sister's response.  You did not mention how old your nephew is.  Is their a possibility that something is not right in your sister's home, if you catch my meaning?  That could be why she is refusing to believe.  If your nephew was (or is still being) abused, then she may be in denial for that reason.  That is PURE speculation on my part, as I know only what you said in your post.  It's just that often children who act out like that learned the behaviour from someplace.  (If your nephew is older, then, obviously, this does not apply).

I sincerely wish the best for you and your precious girl.
 

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December 5, 2005, 7:15 am PST

11/28 Conception Deception

Quote From: jewelerboy

Female trial lawyers, female accountants, and female CEO's seem to have a much better time with "accidental" pregnancy. 

It seems that a bit of depression, a touch of underemployment and a modicum of lack of direction can wipe out much of the effacacy of birth control. 

"trouble in the relationship" or " he is breaking up with me" seems to render birth control completely ineffective. 

  

 Please stop saying that only women who want to get pregnant get pregnant while on the pill.  I was on the pill before I had an abortion.  I assure you, I was NOT trying to trap anyone.  In fact, I felt at least as trapped as the father did, since I had not completed my education and had no way of realistically supporting myself and a child.  I did NOT miss taking the pill.  I was NOT taking antibiotics.  IT HAPPENS.  Yes, I did make him go with me to the clinic and hold my hand during the procedure.  But I assure you, I would MUCH rather NOT have had that particular life experience, especially with the pro-lifers protesting out front and calling me a murderer.  (I note that not one of them offered to adopt my 'oopsie'!)

Yes, there ARE pitiful, misogynistic women who 'trap' men by deliberately misleading them about birth control.  (I call them misogynists because I believe that such behaviour undermines the strides made by women  towards equality.)  But please stop assuming that only women who want to get pregnant do so!
 

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