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October 13, 2005, 3:42 pm PDT

not a bad idea

Quote From: tray00

I once thought that my kids were back in school I would start my own maid service, put an add in the paper and drive around to peoples houses and clean their house, do two or three houses a morning and then have your child picked up by lunch!  I know a few people who have done it and it is working great for them....something to think about!  LOL  You could also deliver flyers to houses, you know like the Walmart Flyer and things like that.   

 

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October 14, 2005, 6:57 am PDT

I don't do the "you should" stuff

Quote From: chdsgrl

Let me just get this straight. 

  

You mean , we shouldn't stay home and raise the kids because we should stay in the workforce in case something happens. 

I have made many many posts.  You will not see one of them contain the words "you should". That is your schtick.  I was just pointing out that sally's point about being able to support yourself was at least as serious an issue to consider as your concerns about damage from being babysat.
 

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October 14, 2005, 11:13 am PDT

For Diana and Sally

I think you two are locked in a debate that is (no offense) pointless.   We all have options and choices in our lives based on our personal resources and circumstances.  We choose what we think suits us and our families best. Two of the many many things people consider when deciding how to use our time and skills are to ensure our children spend lots of time with both parents and to ensure that we are as prepared for unhappy eventualities as possible. Neither consideration will rule the decision because there are a million other things to think about. 

  

When I decided to have children, I already had an established reputation that I worked hard to obtain.  I had a building that I (and the bank) owned.  I had employees who relied on me to be able to earn their family's income (they actually do most of the work but ther has to be a member of the law society to supervise a firm or they can't operate).  I have a responsibility to my clients who have relied upon me for years.  I also thought about my health because I have a chronic disease and I had to consider my bouts of poor health as an issue.  I looked at  my husband's career, too and we talked about what he could bring to the table to protect my children in the event of my illness or death. I had other issues relating to my family and my friends.   

  

Being afraid that my child would be injured because they were being cared for by a non-parent or being prepared for the possibility that I might be left as the sole support of my family weren't the biggest issues for me. But I find it easy to acknowlege that they are things that should be considered by women when making decisions. I think you can both acknowlege that they are important considerations, but neither of you can tell anyone else what should be most important to them. 

  

Just as an examply, Sally, you have to acknowlege that someone from a wealthy family with a large, cushy safety net might not worry too much about keeping her skills current? And Diana, you would have to acknowlege that someone living in a more traditional, multigenerational extended family situation might not find their burning issue is being home fulltime. 

  

Can't you both simply agree that those are both important issues to consider?  

 

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October 14, 2005, 11:59 am PDT

Change the brakes on a car??!!

Quote From: whatdoikno

Someone needs to get real.  Don't criticize your husband or wife!   

  

Show each other that you understand each others position by trading places for several months.   

  

If you can't walk the walk - don't tell someone else how to walk or criticize how they walk. 

  

The biggest reason for problems in marriages roles today is centered around the fact that society "ie schools and family" never bother to teach young people how to quickly and easily do the traditional work of the home and family.  Today there are no traditional men's roles and traditional women's roles, so both men and women need to know how to do all the jobs that used to belong to the other sex.  And today few men and women know how to do much of anything. 

  

for example both the husband and wife need to know how to do the following by themself, as well as together: 

  

Prepare a budget and follow it!   

  

Furnish a home so that it is quick and easy to clean and maintain.   

  

Buy clothes that are easy to wash and put away.   

  

Change the brakes on the car 

  

Reset the circuit breaker when the power goes off 

  

prepare and paint the rooms 

  

Change the sparkplug on the mower and Mow the grass 

  

Plant flowers and shrubs 

  

cook fourteen meals from scratch and have them on the table in less than 30 minutes.   

  

The above is a small list of a lot of necessary jobs in a funcitioning family. 

  

IE Everything that needs to be done in a family and when nobody really knows how to efficiently do the job it results in big unwinnable battles and deep resentment. 

  

Wow, I never asked him but I don't even think my husband knows how to change brakes. I don't even put gas in my own car ~grin~.  But I do know what you are talking about.  I often talk to surviving spouses in my business and some people are really left with a lack of life skills due to the division of labour that happens in many families.  

  

There are lots of women still who don't even have a driver's licence and men who don't know how to operate a stove (I am talking about an older generation).  Those are some really important issues for everyone to consider. 

  

 

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October 15, 2005, 2:40 pm PDT

That's a start!

Quote From: gallen

I just finished watching the show again, this time with the VCR remote in one hand and a pen and paper in the other.  

  

I noticed that not all of my responses were exactly in line with what Dr. Phil was asking. He asked a couple of questions about my, and I responded with my thoughts about something to do about Kelly. I really didn't see at the time that I had to be the specimen under the microscope, and wanted to "get back on track", so to speak. Dr Phil did not say my concerns were invalid, but he pointed out that my approach was having a very negative impact on my wife. 

  

It was obvious after watching the tape again that the focus of the show (our segment) was centered on my critical spirit and not a house of chaos and clutter. Although I would have liked to come away with a subscription for solving the chaos and clutter, I think that the problems Dr. Phil pointed out have higher priority. 

  

I also am going to consider Dr. Phil's advice given at the end of the show. 

Clearly marriage is a partnership. Clearly it is a give and take. That's the formula. 

You have to look at every relationship based on this assumption: 

What is it costing me to be in this relationship? You should never invest more that you can afford to loose. You should never stop being who you are to be half of someone else. 

I was just glancing through this afternoon and I caught this post-I'm impressed! It is difficult to recognise and acknowlege mistakes.  Once you can see a problem and honestly say you want to change, you have a chance. I hope you do figure this thing out and I wish you luck with it. 

I didn't see any reference to it on the show, but often people do what they saw their parents do.  Changing that pattern can be difficult. My mother's most common way of dealing with conflict was a passive aggressive guilt thing.  I decided when I was still in elementary school that I would NEVER be like that.  Even with those good intentions, that attitude has crept in on occasion. One thing that helped me was acknowleging that with my husband and telling him that I didn't want to follow that pattern. All he has to do is call me by my mother's name to shut that pattern off :) 

 

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October 15, 2005, 5:08 pm PDT

understanding

Quote From: duckie7

I don't know why that response touched my heart, but it did.  Thank you so much.  Yes, I'm a doctor.  And I chose not to take a full partnership in my practice so that I could ask not to work on weekends and could limit my call nights to when my husband was at home so he could do the evening routine!!  And I am blessed to have partners that understand my position.  This afternoon we were at Disney On Ice and a mom and her son came up to me to say hello and remind me that I had taken care of the little boy about a month ago.  My son, who's now 13, turned and said "Mom, that's so cool.  I think you're, like, one of the smartest people I know."  Talk about one of those mommy moments that grab your heart!!    

  

Like I said earlier, my social circle consists mostly of male physicians and their at-home wives (which is fine, of course) so sometimes it's lonely not having other women to support me in what I do.  Maybe that's why I can be so sensitive to comments on here.  But I've enjoyed this debate, because it has made me realize how blessed I am. 

  

Thank you so much for your simple, yet powerful, words of support. 

I am sure that all mothers would react to criticism of their parenting style.  We all really do the very best we can do and to hear someone suggest that doing our best is selfish or concentrating on ourselves rather than our children is a direct hit to the emotions :).  I don't know exactly how your life works but I am sure that you are the best parent your children could ever have.   

  

I see a lot of talk from the SAHM about having to make "sacrifices" to be a mother. I never felt that way at all.  Not once. Yes, I made choices that I wouldn't have made if I wasn't a parent but they never felt like sacrifices to me at all.  Maybe that is part of being a working mother?  I always feel that feeling like every moment we get to spend with my children was a treasure.  There is nothing I would rather do. 

 

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October 16, 2005, 8:08 am PDT

I couldn't disagree with you more

Quote From: momto8

If you have a female and male child, then you know that they are born VERY different......more than just gender.  Boys and girls respond to things differently, play differently, and behave differently.  While it is accepted as children, why not as adults?  "boys will be boys"  What does that mean, then?   

  

If we are all honest with ourselves, we will agree than men would love to be the heroes in their family. They want to be the providers, the leaders.  (go ahead, ask your husband.) The reason they aren't is because women are fighting too hard to make them women!  We want to be in charge!  Have you noticed how many television shows there are that are demeaning to the male role?  Find me a show where the husband is respected and valued instead of made to look the idiot!  

  

Women are made with the ability to multi-task and to think of more than one thing at a time.  Men just can't do that!  They are, however, wonderful visionaries if given the chance!!. Women are the ones with the ability to carry out their visions.  Instead, we are trying to force them to be something they are not.   

  

While I agree with the large consensus that it is an equal effort of love and respect on both sides, isn't it amazing how many people marry someone completely opposite??  It is because we complete each other, what he's not, I am and what I am not, he is!  We accept it and compromise, not try to change the other to becoming something they aren't.  

  

  

Every person is born very different.  You would not say that two sons or two daughters are entirely the same in temperament either, would you?  All people have the ability, to a greater or lesser extent, to earn money and nurture children. I believe using all of our gifts makes us more well-rounded and happier people.  

  

My husband can comfort a crying child and can cook a decent meal.  He is hardly effeminate as a result.  The sexism that you spout is the reason people don't feel free to express their true nature around you.  If I was a boy in your house, I'd be sure to act as you expect rather than be ridiculed about turning into a girl. 

  

  

 

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October 16, 2005, 8:41 am PDT

financial planning

Quote From: frogbs

I know if I had to do it all over again, I would've never started working.  I worked when I was single, then when my son was born I was not employed.  When he went to school I volunteered at his school and eventually was hired by the school district part time as an aide, etc.  I first started out working just to keep myself busy and then it became a bad thing.  The more I made, the more I spent and now I have to work to pay my bills.  My child is all grown up, but I see no end to my working because of my debt.  I truly see no end in sight, as far as my ever being able to retire, especially with the social security crisis. 

  

Working didn't put you in debt. Spending did. I have been in that spot though, and I sympathize.  There are two things I recommend:  

  • cancel your credit cards (you still make payments if there is a balance but you don't charge anything new)
  • remove 10% or more from your budget and put it aside in savings for the future. That is a different account from the savings for taxes, your vacation or new car.
  • start spending sensibly.  Spend only what you can afford and buy only what you need. If you need something you can't afford, save up for it.
 

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October 17, 2005, 5:51 am PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

Quote From: anakerie

 What kind of activities do you do?  That is the second biggest problem for me.  Once I finally DO come up with something for dinner, my 2-year old wants attention (despite the fact that he adamantly refused to let me play with him 2 minutes ago).  I've tried a few things, like getting out his crayons or something, but by the time dinner is done, I have to spend the next 20 minutes cleaning off the table again and dinner's cold.
It will change as your children change-we redo it in the spring and fall.  My children are 7 and 12 and the activities range from their favorite board games, visiting our local library (which is a wonderful library!), making crafts from kits (I buy these whenever see them on sale).  I didn't make the list though, we all did. My husband and I just have veto power-because the deal is when it is picked we all have to do it.
 

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October 17, 2005, 6:26 am PDT

traditions

There are two traditions that I think define our family- 

  

When one of us celebrate a birthday, the whole day is spent telling the story of the person's life.  If it is our children's birthday, we start at breakfast telling about the day of birth. If it is my or my husband's birthday, we tell the story as we know it from our parents. Then we all tell stories about the birthday person for the rest of the day, adding new ones from the past year. 

  

New years eve, we always celebrate it together (so far).  We change the tape in the video machine and put it onto a tape.  We watch the past year's video and eat snacks and talk about what is coming up in the new year. 

 

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