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October 19, 2006, 5:49 pm PDT

10/19 Teacher Caught in the Act

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I know one thing for sure. When I was 16 I wasn't ABLE to be deeply in love. My brain wasn't that DEEP.  I kept a lot of jounals in my teen years and I can tell you, I was always told I was mature for my age and I had VERY mature looking body, but I was NOT mature enough to be "in love" with anyone.
OK & I know this for sure..... my best friend & her ex started dating when they were 14 (freshman in HS) & were together for 3 1/2 years. She WAS completely IN LOVE with him as he was with her, being her best friend I could see it. They talked about getting married when they got older & everything, however, after 3 1/2 years he fell out of love with her & broke up with her less than a month after we graduated.  I was with her practically every day when this happened & she cried her eyes out all day, everyday  for weeks..... she was still in love with him & was obviously VERY devastated & upset, even her mother could see that. Now my point, Anyone who KNEW my friend KNOWS that she was DEEPLY IN LOVE, NOT LUST, her own mother knew it! So while YOU werent able to deeply love & werent mature enough to be in love with someone, it certainly does NOT mean that its impossible for someone else of that same age (or around it)!Again I say, EVERYONE'S capabilities are their OWN.... you (generally speaking) cant put all people in one catergory just because of age &/or personal experiences.
 
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October 19, 2006, 6:13 pm PDT

10/19 Teacher Caught in the Act

Quote From: purplepenny

I dated a guy for over a year when I was a teen, and I thought I was in love and I cried my eyes out when we broke up, we had sex and we spent every minute together and we talked about living the rest of our lives together...

I am now ACTUALLY deeply in love.  I can see the difference. That is called wisdom.

And you are talking about two peers...I am talking about a 24 year old woman claiming to be in love with a 15-16 year old boy. I think the 24 year old is in lust and thinking with her private area and not her mind...


You're opinion is exactly that, YOUR opinion & mine is MINE. MAYBE this 24 year old & 15-16 year old are in lust & just thinking with their private area, MAYBE they're not & are in fact in love, but whatever they are, they're BOTH consenting to it & it's really NIETHER OF OUR (or anyone else's) BUSINESS. And we could debate this all day/night but its obvious that we're always going to disagree, so we could leave it at that.
 
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October 19, 2006, 7:35 pm PDT

10/19 Teacher Caught in the Act

Quote From: purplepenny

The part about the brain being underdeveloped at the age of 15 is not my "opinion"...you could bother to read the science I provided...here I'll do it again:

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040508/bob9.asp

http://www.abanet.org/crimjust/juvjus/Adolescence.pdf

http://www.teenpregnancy.org/resources/reading/pdf/BRAIN.pdf

I'm right about this. I have science to back it up. It's not right for someone with a fully developed adult mind to take advantage of and persuade a teen with an underdeveloped mind to decisions that carry a lot of weight.

I'm not wrong about that, it's not my opinion. He cannot consent. Sorry, but he can't. This is why we not longer should put minors to death in this country...

If you can explain to me why it's NOT ok for a 45 year old man to have sex with a 13 year old girl, but it IS ok for a 24 year old woman to have sex with a 16 year old boy I'll listen!!! I'm all ears!!!

The whole "science/research" theory is boarderline BS & doesnt make much sense either because they're saying that teens cant FULLY understand the consequences of their actions, etc, when the truth of the matter is that MOST "normal" (by that I mean not mentally challenged) ADULTS cant even understand the consequences of their actions! So with that said, BOTH teens AND adults CAN get "caught up in the moment" doing something, not realize what they're doing at the time, therefore, not understanding the consequences of their actions. So can these people say that "brain development" varies much more & has more of an impact in a teen than an adult?

 

And as far as your example of a 45 yr old man & 13 yr old girl goes, that is 32 year age difference, the 24 yr old & 16 yr old is only an 8 yr age difference.... that's a HUGE difference in relationships with an age span. HOWEVER, If the 13 yr old girl WILLINGLY gets into bed with the 45 year old, that would be her choice & she has to take some responsibiltiy for her part in it. The blame should NOT only go on the 45 year old. That's another thing thats wrong with some people & this world today, they dont want to take responsibilty for their own actions & want to constantly put all the blame on the other(s) involved. Especially when it comes to teens, some of them, their parents & other adults want to put all blame on someone else & in situations like this, the older person. People are saying that these woman (& men in other cases) "seduced & manipulated" these young men & MAYBE in SOME cases that is true BUT, I dont care what anyone says, its VERY possible for a teen boy/girl to seduce an older person & THAT could've also been the case. But because older people are involved, the blame automatically goes on them, they get slammed & thats NOT right! These teens WILLINGLY  MADE THE CHOICE to lay down with these women, people & the law need to realize that & get over it!

 
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October 20, 2006, 8:22 am PDT

10/19 Teacher Caught in the Act

Quote From: julie1418

BUT, I dont care what anyone says, its VERY possible for a teen boy/girl to seduce an older person & THAT could've also been the case. But because older people are involved, the blame automatically goes on them, they get slammed & thats NOT right! These teens WILLINGLY  MADE THE CHOICE to lay down with these women, people & the law need to realize that & get over it!

 

 

There's a difference between a brain that is not fully developed and someone failing to make good use of their fully developed brain. Yes, the blame goes to older people AS IT SHOULD. We do not let 13 year olds drink alcohol, vote, drive, serve in the military, smoke, or even get an aspirin at school without parental consent. You also will not be held responsible for your debt - your parents will. Thirteen year olds have NO BUSINESS having sex because they do not have the intellectual ability to fully understand, appreciate, and predict the consequences of their actions. And adults, who have the ability to understand, WHETHER THEY USE THAT ABILITY OR NOT, are criminally responsible when they take advantage of a child's immaturity and naivete by having sex with them.

 

Do you know that sexual stimulation will feel good to a two year old? Does that mean the two year old consents? How about an eight year old? What is your cut off age for when an adult should not be sexually involved with a child?

 

 

 

 

The law & most parents say that 13 year olds can NOT drink, smoke, drive, etc but you know what? A LOT OF THEM DO ANYWAY (except vote & serve in the Military), SAME WITH HAVING SEX....A LOT OF THEM ARE DOING IT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE LAW & THEIR PARENTS SAY. SOOO If a 13 year old does things & an older person just happens to be involved somehow, then they BOTH (the older person AND the 13 year old) need to take responsibility for what they do, NOT just the older person. I'm sick of people saying that their kids & teens are completely innocent in their actions because an older person was also involved in whatever they were doing. I SERIOUSLY believe that saying a 12, 13, 14, 15, etc year old does NOT know right from wrong & unable to know the consequences of their actions (whatever they are, including having sex), is complete BS. One of my brothers is 10 years old & he sure knows right from wrong & that if he was ever caught smoking or with alcohol HE would be in DEEP DEEP trouble. My 17 year old sister had sex & got pregnant at 16, so are you & everyone else saying that she didnt know she could get pregnant if she didnt use protection  because of her age & "brain development"? Because everyone (most) are saying that at 16 her brain isnt FULLY developed so she cant possibly KNOW what her actions could result in. Again, BS! Knowing right from wrong & what your actions will cause/result in, START AT HOME WITH THE PARENTS! I'm not saying ALL kids & teens are going to listen to their parents, obviously that was my first point in the beginning of this post, but when/if they do something "wrong" then THEY need to take some responsibility for what they did & STOP blaming it all on other people & the parents need to stop blaming other people & realize that their kid/teen ALSO, WILLINGLY, played a role in it! In my opinion, you stop being a CHILD at about 12 or 13 & become a YOUNG ADULT & at that age you're responsible for your own immaturity. So to answer your question, no that doesnt mean a 2 year old consents or an 8 year old for that matter. I'd say my "cut-off" age for when an adult should not be involved sexually with someone is about 11 because any age older than that knows what they're doing.
 
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October 20, 2006, 8:37 am PDT

10/19 Teacher Caught in the Act

Quote From: fredastare

Do you have a 15 year old son???

 

Really, I'd like to know...........if you had a 13, 14, or 15 perhaps 16 year old boy that was being seduced by  A PERSON OF AUTHORITY AND OF PRESTIGE...... in their minds, would you be okay with it???

 

If your answer is yes..........I will pray for you and yours.

 

It's SICK, it's ABUSIVE......and completely wrong......

 

Good Lord, what is wrong with you people???

 

 

 

No I dont have a 15 yr old son, I dont have any kids of my own, but I do have a sister who's 17, a brother who's 15 & many cousins around the same age. I think the teachers having sex with their students is unprofessional, HOWEVER, I do NOT believe that a lot of these students were "seduced".... IF (big IF) that were the case & there was HARD EVIDENCE to back that claim up, THEN I could see it as a bigger problem. But the fact of the matter is what I said in the other post, its VERY POSSIBLE for the student to "seduce" the teacher. People think I'm being narrow minded but its OTHER PEOPLE who are being narrow minded if they think that a 13, 14, 15, 16 year old is incapable of doing the seducing. People dont seem understand what teens are capable of, they under-estimate their capabilities! It's NOT abusive if the student is CONSENTING! These sudents need to take some responsibility & stop blaming it ALL on the teacher whe they themselves CONSENTED to the relationship, same goes for the parents & everyone else..... they need to put some blame on the students & make them take responsibility for their part in the situations. These students knew damn well what they were doing!
 
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October 20, 2006, 8:55 am PDT

10/19 Teacher Caught in the Act

Quote From: purplepenny

"The whole "science/research" theory is boarderline BS"

Do you have anything to refute it but your own opinion? I love how opinionated people think they can just toss away years of research and education because it doesn't agree with their personal view of the world.

Where do YOU, in your apparently infinite wisdom of the world, draw the line of a person being able to fully comprehend their actions?

I think you need to open your mind to current research, stop being willing to live in the dark, and get over it yourself.
Technically, not I dont.... but I love how other opinionated people, like yourself, ALWAYS want to believe the garbage that these "scientist/doctors" feed you. I believe that at about 12 or 13 you can FULLY comprehend your actions, HOWEVER, people younger than that could also FULLY comprehend their actions. I gave an example in another post I replied to about me having a 10 year old brother who KNOWS that if he was ever caught (& even if he wasnt caught) smoking or with alcohol, HE would KNOW that  it was wrong  & that HE would be in DEEP DEEP trouble.... so I believe the capability of being able to FULLY comprehend your actions shouldnt be based  solely on your age & "brain development", it  SHOULD be based on people individually! And I think people like you need to open your minds, stop living in the dark & see that these students KNEW what they were doing & they were just as responsible for what happened as the teachers were. As I said in that other post I replied to, people under-estimate the capabilites of teens & it's you guys that need to wake up & realize that they're way more capable of things than you think.
 
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October 22, 2006, 10:29 am PDT

We Breathe The Same Air & Bleed The Same Color!

I agree with everyone else that has posted so far..... Its utterly ridiculous that these issues are still a huge issue or even an issue at all in 2006, almost 2007! I wish these people & others like them would just realize that we are ALL people, we are ALL God's children & that if he wanted us all to be the same he would've made us the same! You don't necessarily have to agree with someone's lifestyle or whatever but just realize that we are ALL PEOPLE & the very least you could do is treat other's with RESPECT! No matter what color, shape or sexual orientation someone is, we ALL breathe the SAME air & bleed the SAME color! These people need get over themselves & grow up!
 
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October 22, 2006, 9:30 pm PDT

10/23 The Dr. Phil House: House of Hatred

Quote From: powers009

All of the ones saying we should just love and accept everyone I would like to ask this question do you look a street person in the eye when you pass them by? Do you think to yourself well if I give this person money they are just going to buy alcohol or drugs with it? When you pass a man on the street who has lots of tattoos, wearing jeans with holes in them and a torn t-shirt do you cross to the other side thinking this is some member of a gang? Do you ride down the road and pass a person on a motorcycle wearing leather and hope and pray the stop light up ahead doesn't catch you so you won't have to sit beside this person in traffic? How many of you stand over the plumber when he comes to do work on your sink? Answer honestly and then tell me how accepting you are of everyone in society.

All of the ones saying we should just love and accept everyone I would like to ask this question do you look a street person in the eye when you pass them by? Do you think to yourself well if I give this person money they are just going to buy alcohol or drugs with it?

 

*I don't know if I've ever looked them exactly in the eye but I have glanced at them with a friendly smile. And when/if I decide to give them money, I do think about what they will do with it but only for a minute because then I just feel proud of myself for giving something to someone less fortunate than myself.

 

When you pass a man on the street who has lots of tattoos, wearing jeans with holes in them and a torn t-shirt do you cross to the other side thinking this is some member of a gang?

 

*Absolutely not! But maybe thats because I LOVE tattoos.... & as far as the torn jeans & t-shirt, a lot of people wear torn clothes so that doesn't bother me either.

 

Do you ride down the road and pass a person on a motorcycle wearing leather and hope and pray the stop light up ahead doesn't catch you so you won't have to sit beside this person in traffic?

 

*Again, no. I have NOTHING against motorcyclists either, one of my best friends is one & some of  my mom's friends are motorcyclists as well & I get along with them just fine.

 

How many of you stand over the plumber when he comes to do work on your sink? Answer honestly and then tell me how accepting you are of everyone in society.

 

*I sure haven't! I live with my grandmother & when we had the heating guy come to our house (a few times), he went & did his work on our heater which is just in the hallway & we stayed in the living room on the couch until he was done.

 

**Yes, I answered VERY HONESTLY! I have family & friends from all walks of life & my parents & grandparents taught me to treat others with the same respect that I wanted to be treated with! We ALL need to learn to NEVER judge a book by its cover & to not condemn someone of a certain race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc just because we might've had a bad experience with one or a few of any of those beings. We need to be bringing everyone of all diversities together & treating them as equals, not  pushing them away and/or condemning them because they're different.

 
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November 8, 2006, 10:11 am PST

It's Their Lives, They can do what they want

Here's my 2 cents....

 

There were a few things in both of the couples' situations that I didnt quite understand and/or agree with, but NONE of it had anything to do with their ages. All four people knew or had some idea of what they were getting into. I can understand the friends of both men being worried BUT, both of those men are adults & can make their own decisions about how/what they want their lives to be like..... And the women in both cases are also adults & can decide for themselves how/what they want their lives to be, I know a lot of people still think of an 18 year old as being a child (& in this case, a "little girl") but the fact of the matter is, they're not! So people can disapprove all they want but they cant do anything about it. All these people are ADULTS & if they want to continue to be together than obviously that's THEIR choice.

 

I'm 20 & few months ago I was dating a 30 year old with a 15 year old daughter.... we dated for 3 months & broke up when he took a job transfer in another state. Now, before I dated him, I was never into guys that older than myself & he wasnt really into women that much younger than him, he usually went for women over 25. I even turned him down at first, but the more we talked the more I started liking him & decided to put our ages (along with his daughter's) aside & give it a shot. Yes, some of my family wished he was younger but they realized that I was an adult & could make my own decisions & all they wanted was for him to treat me right & for me to be happy, which he did & I was so they were more approving.

 

There's no question about it, there are both pros & cons about being with someone older or younger than yourself, but if both people are commited, happy and/or willing to work on their relationship, then more power to them! You need make YOURSELF happy before anyone else & realize that not everyone is going to agree/approve of the things you do (or dont do) but as long as YOU are happy, then thats all that matters (thats something I realized when I was in my relationship with the older guy).

 
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November 8, 2006, 1:45 pm PST

11/08 Cougars and Sugar Daddies

Quote From: powersclan

Younger women seek wealthy older partners are 100 Gold Diggers. No if's and or buts about it. 100 % artificial.

I completely DISAGREE! Are there younger women who are in fact gold diggers? Of course! BUT NOT ALL younger women who are with older wealthy men are gold diggers & I think making that statement is a HUGE assumption that shouldn't be made. That's one of the MANY things that's wrong with people these days, they see or hear something & then they just ASSUME without even knowing the REAL FACTS about the whole situation. In the case with Jackie & Sanjy, I really don't see her as a gold digger because he WANTS to spoil her & give her everything.... I don't think you can be labeled or label someone as a gold digger when the other person WANTS TO & ENJOYS giving them everything.

 

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