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October 27, 2007, 8:17 pm PDT

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Quote From: philshowlogon

Good for you for saying what's needed to be said. If the 15 year old girl had sex with another 15 year old, then nobody would say much. How can you protect a 15 year old from themself? I'm amazed at how we rage over age. If the 15 year old girl had sex with a 17 year old boy, then people would slander him that he was taking advantage of her. But if the 15 year old girl was having sex with a 13 year old boy, then people would call her sick and perverted because she is older and should have known better. You are right, teens these days are aware and more educated about this subject like never before. Many kids cannot ask their parents about sex because the parents think they shouldn't know about it until later in life. This is a tragedy. Statistics show that they will find out about it through someone else which they do and that's one reason we have so many problems with this area. Many child psychologist agree that parents should start talking to their kids about sex as early a 8. If kids know they can talk to their parents about anything, they are less likely to go elsewhere. Thanks.
Thank you, and you're welcome. I definately agree with what you said!
 
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October 29, 2007, 10:39 am PDT

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I don't argue that a 15 year old can open her mouth and say yes and that technically makes it consensual. But teens live IN THE MOMENT. What I'm saying is they don't have the maturity to foresee the actual consequences. They have NO IDEA just what an impact on their lives being sexually active can be. You are kidding yourself if you really and truly think a 15 year old can.

Well, thats part of a PARENT'S JOB! To tell/teach their kids/teens the "actual consequences", so that they DO have an idea and/or know what an impact being sexual active can have on, not just their lives, but the lives of the people they're active with as well. And IF/WHEN the teen still chooses to take that 'wrong' road (because we all know kids/teens dont always listen to their parents), then its also the parent's job to make them take some responsibility for their actions.... so that they'll learn from it.
 
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October 30, 2007, 6:37 am PDT

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Quote From: fromthesquare

Hi Rissa!! 

 

You are in agreement with most of the people on this board.  We are (almost) all saying that parents and adults in the lives of teens need to correct the bad behaviorthat teens exhibit.  Like your mom did when she found the picture on your computer.  She punished you and in that way held you accountable.  She did the right thing.  That is what adults should do. 

 

She did not say that you could go out on a date with the pervert.  She probably watched you a lot closer on the computer.  That is the job of parents.  The adults in a civilized society should back up parents with their job of  protecting their children.   Not prey on them. 

 

Rissa, I know that you love your mom and your dad.  You don't need to judge either one of them.  I don't judge them.  You have defended them- I, for one, am certain they did a good job with you.

Well, thank you for saying my parents did a good job with me & not judging them, I appreciate that.

 

I agree that people should back up parents in protecting their children, but ONLY WHEN the child/teen is completely innocent & didnt do anything wrong. The teen from the story on the show however (and MANY more out there), is NOT completely innocent in what happened. 

 

And you're right, No, my mom didnt say I could go out on a date with that guy & she did watch me a bit more closely on the computer. However, I also know that IF I HAD, WILLINGLY, gone on a date with that guy, my mother would've also held ME PARTIALLY accountable in doing so, as a parent should.

 

The problem with some (not all, but some) parents is that they try to be friends first & parents second, when it should be the other way around (Parents FIRST, friend SECOND, if not THIRD). Parents are supposed to teach their children (especially teens/young adults) how to be responsible & hope that they will take that lesson (and any others) into complete adulthood, which when we get down to the core is something I think we all agree on... HOWEVER, if you (generally speaking) dont make them take any accountablity/responsibility for their WILLINGLY actions, specifically as a teen, where it IS NEEDED (like in this case with the girl), then they'll never really learn how to be responsible people & they'll continue to think that mommy & daddy will always fix things for them. And it shouldnt be that way. So YES, parents should protect their children, but NOT when they're in the WRONG.

 
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October 31, 2007, 2:08 pm PDT

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The law has already determined that at 15 she is not able to discern consent in that state.  A child of 12 can also "consent" as you say, but that is ridiculous.  Just because a child has the ability to say "yes" does not mean that they understand the implications of saying yes.  Secondly, the MAN or WOMAN that is getting involved with someone under age is responsible for knowing what the consenting age is.  At 15 whether he read the law or not, makes him completely responsible.  Thus she cannot be held accountable for it.  The only thing that I can say is that rape is not the word for it.  That it is a crime is beyond doubt with me and maybe another word for the crime should be found - but it is a crime nonetheless.  And because she is under age then he is a predator.  It would not surprise me, nor you, to find that he is more capable than most to go for 10 or 12 year olds versus the 15 that he is currently targeting.

The laws in this country are ridiculously twisted! Apparently a 15 year old who goes & KILLS someone is then supposed to know that those actions were wrong & be held accountable for it... BUT THEN, when it comes to someone of the SAME age (15) having CONSENSUAL sex with someone older, they're suddenly no longer capable of being responsible for their actions!? What sense does that make?

 

A 15 year old IS capable of consenting & people & the law need to realize that.

 
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November 4, 2007, 10:46 am PST

I Agree

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I have to disagree with you. Boys and men can be raped! Asked any male in prisoner. Women are just as capable of raping a boy as a man can rape a female. Yet, we cover it up as an impossibility because we are wired differently? Boys have just the same right to say "NO" as females. Just because a male becomes aroused doesn't mean he is saying "YES". When a female is raped, she may become aroused and may even reach organsim.  Rape is not the act of sex, but power, control, manipulation and violence.

 

I don't believe these boys were raped, molested, manipulated or controled.  I don't believe there was concensuol sex, either. I believe in today's decaying society, women are feeling that a younger man provides better relationships and more power to them. I'm not talking about underage boys with older wormen. We cannot stick our heads in the sand and say that bad things are not happening to our children. Both boys and girls are being raped too frequently. Sexual activity is rising in our schools. Parents don't discuss sexuality and schools don't do a good enough job teaching abstence, but are quick to hand our condoms. Kids see sex on TV, sex in the movies, their hormones are raging and very few people are willing to have open discussions about sexuality and when to say "NO" and mean it.

I agree with you in regards to boys & men being able to be raped, and that I too, believe those boys (from this scandal) were NOT raped, molested, etc. I think it was something they "cooked up" and/or fantasized about & it got out of hand. I'm in my early 20s & when I was in HS, I heard guys talking about how hot some of the younger female teachers were, all the time. And In my freshman & sophmore year when I was 14-15, I even had a huge crush on my male math teacher who was young (I believe he was 26 or so) & I used to talk to my friends about how hot I thought he was (I wasnt the only one who thought so). I knew that nothing could, or would, ever happen because he was my teacher, but I still fantasized about it. And he was even a more "cool & laid back" teacher, but NEVER crossed any inappropriate lines (it would've been around if he had).

 

I also agree with you about parents not disussing sexuality enough & about sexual activity in schools, to an extent. I highly believe that schools SHOULD be teaching SAFER SEX, AS WELL AS ABSTINENCE. I say this because... you (generally speaking) can teach/preach abstinance until you're blue in the face, but IF teens REALLY want to have sex, then more often than not, they're going to do it. And I believe that IF they do choose to have sex, then its better for them to at least have the knowledge about safer sex & hopefully they apply that knowledge when needed. I also believe that parents DO NEED to be willing to talk more openly & frequently about sex with their children. I mean, in today's society, kids/teens know more about the subject than their parents & more often than not, their parents aren't even the ones giving them the information... so some of it may be incorrect (unless they got it from Sex Ed/Health Class), which I think is more harmful (having the wrong information/facts).

 
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November 5, 2007, 3:22 pm PST

11/05 DNA Dramas

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I partly agree-the husband should stand up and tell his mother to butt out!! The mother-in-law basically said that she would love for his marriage to fall apart. What a sad woman! Shame on her! The husband knew she had intercourse with an ex and chose to stay in his marriage. They already had a DNA test done. This mother-in-law doesn't like her son's CHOICE for a partner and that is her problem. She needs to mind her own business and get a life!!!

I completely agree!

 

I also agree with those who say that it takes more than biology & money to be a parent. Anyone can be a biological parent, but it takes a committed, devoted & loving person to be an ACTUAL, ACTIVE parent! I've never known my biological father & when I was 9 years old, my mother started dating a man who she eventually married & became, not just a stepfather, but a DAD (which is what we call him, dad) to me & two of my younger siblings... they had a child together & he (my step-dad) did NOT treat me & my other 2 siblings any different than our youngest brother, his biological son.... In his eyes, ALL of us were HIS children (he passed away in February). He & my mom had a lot of problems, which then caused problems for both of our families.... they split up several times but always ended up getting back together because they genuinely loved each other. Still, he never treated us any different. The last time they broke up (before getting back together) they were talking about divorce, this happened around a couple years ago around this time of the year (the Holiday season) & when Christmas came around, he bought ALL of us kids presents.. so clearly, even if he & my mom had gotten a divorce, he would NOT have just said "to hell with HER kids", because we were HIS kids as well despite what biology says. Yes, this man (my dad) did some hurtful things to our family & himself at times, but he was/is still my DAD.

 

Another example... my aunt & her fiance'/common law husband (they've been together for more than 10 years) have 2 biological kids together & another child that he had with a woman when they were briefly on a break. In the very beginning, my aunt was extremely hurt because they were just taking a break, they weren't breaking up completely & she (my aunt) didn't want to be part of the baby's life because it was too hard.... HOWEVER, it turns out the baby's mother is totally unstable (she had another daughter who was taken from her & put in her father's custody... another man, not my uncle) & the baby was going to be put in foster care. My aunt then, being the more compassionate woman she is, told my uncle to do whatever he had to do to get custody of the baby, because that was her 2 daughters' sister & she didn't want her in foster care. They've had the baby since she was 6 months old, she's now 3 & she calls my aunt "mom", my grandmother "nana" & my mother & other uncle " auntie" & "uncle". Even though what my uncle did was wrong, my aunt welcomed that baby, cares for her & loves as her own child.

 

I guess my point is that, people need to think about the most innocent people in all these matters, THE CHILDREN! OK so, maybe men shouldn't be required to financially support children that aren't their's, specifically if they were lied to about the paternity, BUT, I do NOT think they (the men) should just completely give up & forget about the child(ren) that they've helped raise & have an emotional bond with. THAT in MY opinion is just devastating & WRONG.

 
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November 5, 2007, 3:51 pm PST

Birth Control NOT just women's responsibility!

I've read many posts about how irresponsible some women can be in regards to having unprotected sex. What I have to say is, WHAT ABOUT THE MEN'S IRRESPONSIBILITY???

 

YES, women need to be sure they're being safe & responsible, especially with the diseases out there & unwanted pregnancies... BUT SO DO THE MEN! If I remember correctly, it takes TWO people to make a baby. I'm tired of people saying and/or assuming that its only the woman's job to worry about contraception! It should fall on BOTH people, NOT JUST THE WOMAN (OR MAN)! If people CHOOSE to take those risks, then ALL PEOPLE/PARTIES should be prepared for all/any outcomes.

 
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November 5, 2007, 4:42 pm PST

11/05 DNA Dramas

Quote From: lorax41

You can't force men to be responsible.. We are saddled with the pregnancy. Not them. They are often trresponsible because they can be. They were born lucky. Don't have sex with a guy hoping he'll step up to the plate. Hoping won't make it happen. You better have something more solid  than that before you take the chance. It'd be nice if they didn't walk but they do because they can. Should isn't in their vocabulary. Learn that

So we as women should be forced to be the only one's responsible just because we're the one's who get pregnant & they aren't??? I'm sorry but I think thats soo sexist & total crap! "Should" should be in EVERYONE'S vocabulary... I understand that unfortunately, it is not in eveyone's, but having said that, women AND MEN need to learn to be prepared for all possible outcomes. If someone should be forced to be responsible, it should be BOTH people, not just the woman because she's the one that gets pregnant!

 

Now, in my very first post/response in this particular discussion, I said it takes more than biology & money to be a parent, and I still stand by that... however, If men want to have sex, then they need to be just as responsible as us women are 'expected' to be! And if they aren't, then they need to be a REAL man & deal with the consequences. Like I said, it takes TWO to make a child! And should NOT fall on just one person.

 

 

 
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November 5, 2007, 8:31 pm PST

11/05 DNA Dramas

Quote From: dimples82lov

then if it takes two for everything. why is it that in most states the man has to pay for all the medical bills incurred during the pregnancy and also carry the medical insurance for the child for the next 18 years, where is the woman's responsibility in that? How come if everything should be equal a woman can make the decision to have an abortion without the mans consent but the man gets no say in anything.
I agree, BOTH parents should have to share the financial aspect of things... that would be part of BOTH of them taking responsibility for conceiving a child. And as for a woman being able to get an abortion without the man's consent? I dont agree with that either, in fact, I'm pro-life so abortion is/would be out of the question in my book (nothing religious, just my personal belief).
 
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November 5, 2007, 8:56 pm PST

11/05 DNA Dramas

Quote From: lorax41

Believe me this issue makes me upset too BUT all the anger and "shoulds" in the world are not going to make men be accountable. Should they be? Of course! Yes it's sexist but maybe pregnancy itself is sexist because it only happens to women. How does a person argue that? There are endless stories and examples of men (dogs) who leave pregnant women, deny paternity  and whatnot. Shouldn't we women be learning from those examples and quit taking chances? You don't know who is a good guy and who isn't? A "dog" doesn't know what should means. He only knows he got a nice piece of you know what and he can strut around and brag to his friends. While he was with the woman he got pregnant he was Mr. Charming. How are you going to get  someone that self centered and immature to grow up? Until you have an answer for that women had better protect themselves. Yes it's just too damn bad and it makes me just as angry as you. BUT it's reality we women have to live with. 
I agree, to an extent. Yes, we as women should be learning from those unfortunate examples & should be protecting ourselves. And yes, its hard to distinguish the good guys from the bad.... however, I still dont think that contraception should fall solely on us women & I still dont think its right to excuse the man from responsibility when he (or either person) chooses to have unprotected sex just because they're wired differently & dont necessarily understand the possible consequences of "gettin some". And the only way to get someone like that to grow up, is to make them be held responsible, and thats usually when the courts step in... and yes, that should go for women as well. Neither men NOR women should get a "free pass" from responsibility when they conceive a child, specifically, if the pregnancy is not terminated (which again, I'm personally against).
 

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