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October 7, 2005, 1:10 pm PDT

Breastfeeding in Public

I have breastfed 6 children and currently still nursing my 13month old. I have never whipped out my breast. It can be done discreetly!! I always took inconcideration others feeling, but my child comes first and formost, above all others. Absolutely NO one has the right to tell me not to 'feed' my child.  

  

  

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 9:03 am PDT

Question to those who say nurse in restroom

You know after reading through some of the post I have to ask this!! 

  

So you say take it to the bathroom, ok answer this "What if you have more than one child?"  I have 6 children, so you expect me to load up my infant/toddler and my other 5 children and haul them all the restroom and expect ALL of them to sit quitely in a nasty floor where there are NO chairs for them, while I breastfeed my child for 15 to 30 mins?  I DON'T THINK SO!! 

  

And selfish of a nursing mother to nurse in public??? WTH!! Nursing is the most unselfish thing a mother can do!! The selfish ones are the ones that are putting their feeling/thoughts above a hungery child. Believe it or not most nursing mothers are somewhat uncomfortable nursing in public, but they do it because the NEED of their child is more important than their own comfort level!! A nursing mother decides to nurse 'knowing' she will come face to face with ignorant people who think it's wrong for her to feed her child, when her child wants to eat. Yet she goes on to nurse, putting her own feelings aside to do what is BEST for her child! And you are calling that 'selfish'?  

  

Comparing a nursing mother to a topless person or saying it would be wrong for a women to take off her shirt in public.. When have you seen a breastfeeding mother 'take off her shirt'? NEVER cause we don't!! They make special nursing shirts and you see NO skin. The only part of the breast exposed is the part the baby latches on to and you don't see that, you see the babies head!! Get a grip here. And to try and compare breastfeeding to making out??? Thats just sick! A mother does not nurse for sexual pleasure!!!!!  

  

I've breastfed all 6 of mine in public and there have even been times someone would come over to comment on the child/ren and never even know I was nursing! And I did not have the childs head covered. It can be done discreetly and without anyone 'seeing' anything! 

  

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October 8, 2005, 5:20 pm PDT

Soooo???

Quote From: shellyee

The same things keep coming up over and over. What I have learned from this is people hear exactly what they want to hear, even if it is something you never said at all. And when they find themselves with their back against the wall, immaturity insues. So, here goes; 

  

1. I have the show on tape. I was the one sitting the stage speaking and so I am the only one who knows what I think. Not only that, I know what goes on before and during taping. So really, nobody can tell me about me or how I think. I know better than any of you. I can guarentee it. 

  

2. The first thing out of my mouth was "I am not against breastfeeding". I am actually PRO-breastfeeding, very much. I made a very big point out of saying that. That seems to have been lost on a lot of you. 

  

3. At no time did I tell anyone to go feed in the bathroom. Dr. Phil and Syanorra discussed it, but I never told anyone they had to feed their child in the restroom. I have the tape- I can prove it. HOWEVER- SOME women act as though the mere act of stepping into a restroom renders their entire body and the child totally unsanitary. That is ridiculous. Thus my comment about wiping the breast in the toilet seat. A breast doesn't suddenly become unsanitary because of a change of rooms. They taped me in front of a woman breastfeeding her child at an outdoor cafe on the street. Their were car fumes, and tire noize, and horns, and planes overhead (we were near Burbank airport). I doubt the table was "sanitary". Not much difference really. But let's not say I said things I never did, ok? That's being a trouble maker. 

  

4. Syanorra said she should get to do anything she wants anytime, and I said it would be nice if people respected each others feeling and COMPROMISED. That's all I asked for, compromise. If you parents are teaching your kids that it's ME ME ME all the time, well, maybe you should to talk to my Mom and Dad, because I think they did a better job.  

  

5. To the people who feel it just necessary to attack me on a personal level- I am too ugly, I am going to hell, I am insane, on and on. Those are things people say when they have nothing to say. That is how grade schoolers fight, and you are supposed to be parents. You can't really be trying to hold yourself over me as the "superior" with such childishness, are you? You are someone I don't even know behind a computer screen. All you have are your words. Try not to sound like your infants. And please teach your children better behavior than you exhibit, or you will end up back on Dr. Phil while he retrains your ill mannered children. 

  

6. I am well aware that people get over upset when they are told things that they know are the truth, but it is still something they don't want to hear. SOOOOOO many woman posted here how it was 100% possible to breastfeed with discretion that it only proves that the women who do it "all out" are doing it only to prove a point and make a spectacle of themselves. That's the way so many people are doing things these days- it's all about me, you don't matter at all. Just read the posts. I think I proved my point.  

Tell me if I understand this!  You do believe in breastfeeding and you are even ok with it in public 'if' the mother does it in a discreet manner? 

  

Just asking have you encountered women nursing with 'it all out'??? 

  

I was offended by your comments, but I am a very open minded person and believe 'everyone' is entitled to their opinion! As long as they understand that I may not share in their opinion. 

  

As for the comment you made about a waitress wearing low cut pants and her back side kind of hanging all out.  That would offend me, but do I think I would have the right to tell her to change or leave or cover up....NO!!! 

  

Breastfeeding mom to 6 wonderful children 

 
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October 8, 2005, 5:58 pm PDT

Perfectly put

Quote From: abstract

No. However, shortly after childbirth breastfeeding stimulated uterine contractions which control bleeding and thus greatly reduces a woman's chances of infection, hemmorrage or death after childbirth. Breastfeeding is not a sexual act, and contrary to popular thought, the sensation of a child nursing is completely different mentally and physically to any sexual act. When correct latch is attained, the nipple (and most sensitive part of the breast) is in the way back of the childs mouth and the majority of the latch is high up on the areola (the darker, fleshy part of the breast). It is not true. 

There is nothing dirty about breastfeeding. However, what is dirty is the media-driven sexualization of breasts which makes many people feel that feeding a child the healthiest and most normal way possible is somehow wrong- it's not. The simple act of breastfeeding reduces your risk of uterine, breast and cervical cancer, it lowers your bloodpressure, you're less-likely to become depressed. A breastfed child has statistically higher IQ scores, a  lower chance of SIDS, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, breathing disorders, allergies, high blood pressure, cholesterol and premature death. If your objective is to have a healthy child, your best option is to breastfeed. 

  

If you have ever seen a woman nursing you would know that she is not showing off anything. The same amount of skin that is showing on a nursing womans body is far less than what is shown by a person walking around in jeans and a tank top. There is almost never full exposure and the entire breast is covered by the baby. In fact, most times when you see a woman nursing in public, you probably don't even realize it because it looks just like a woman holding her sleeping baby. No one breastfeeds to be an exhibitionist, we breastfeed because it is healthier for mothers as well as their babies. 

I believe this was perfectly stated! 

  

  

 
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October 8, 2005, 6:25 pm PDT

Yes I have breastfed in Church

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Mothers do have a right to breast feed in public but it is how you go about breastfeeding, there is a way to do things and apparently it hasn't been done that way because we are having this debate about it!!!!! There are some places you shouldn't feel right doing it in public, you wouldnt sit in church and breast feed you nicely remove your self and either sit toward the back or to a rest room. Most public places have made specific places for you to do such, but some do take it to an extreme, that is why they make shirts, bras, covers, for breastfeeding why not used them?  

I agree that a woman can breastfeed in a discreet manner. 

  

I attend church regularly and YES I do nurse my child right there. I do not remove myself to the restroom.  I have nursed right in the middle of Sunday School! NO no one saw my breast and why would I feel nursing in church is wrong? Did God not give women breast to feed their children with??? YES!! 

 
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October 9, 2005, 4:03 am PDT

When does a bf'ing women take her top off

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My mother taught me to keep my top on public. My parents also taught me to respect for others peoples feelings.

Why do people keep saying this I have NEVER taken my top off or gone topless in public!! Have you personally seen a breastfeeding woman take her top off and nurse her child?? 

  

Again I would like to know if you feel breastfeeding is ok 'if' a woman DOES take others feeling to mind and does it discreetly?? If she is covered? 

  

I was taught not to stare and to respect others feelings. So is anyone thinking of the babies feelings here?? Should the baby have to wait? The mother and other grown adults should care more about the babies feeling than their own? I personal put my children first, even above myself. 

 
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October 9, 2005, 4:24 am PDT

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Then why are they in an adult restauraunt with adults trying be adults?

Would you rather the parents leave them at home alone?  They are there because their parent an adult is there and the adult is responsible for them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this statement just makes no sense to me. If a child was not expected to be at a restauraunt, then why do they have highchairs? 

  

I read some of your post and you say you are for breastfeeding and only want comprimise, but then when some of 'these' women try to say ok I agree be discreet you still jump them for even wanting to nurse in public discreetly??  Do you want it your way or are you just looking for comprimise? You keep talking about others feelings, what about the babies feeling? It seems from your post you have a dislike for children in general. 

 
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October 9, 2005, 4:33 am PDT

I agree

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 I"D generalize and say ALMOST ALL BF mother's are discreet. It's those few times when you are nursing and something unexpected happens: baby's moving hand moves the blanket, baby is suddenly upset and inconsolable and you have no blanket etc.       I am now TRYING NOT to be as discreet as much as I tend to naturally, just because of this board.    If I can go to the mall and have my nine year old boy have to stare at all the ads with WAY more boobs showing than I ever did, then you guys will have to deal with my BFIP>   I am WAY less compromising than most, I know. But I am sick of spending all this time worrying about what all you naysayers think when you don't give a rap about all the daily hassles of being a BF mom of multiple kids.    No consideration from you, none from me. And the law's on MY side.

So many of the women are agreeing, they bf in public, but do it discreetly!!  Asking for a compirmise?? Sounds more like some want it their way or no way! (just don't bf in public at all) 

  

Yes bf in public 'I have 6 children' I did it discreetly though and I believe my child has a right to eat any time any wheres. I also agree I should be discreet about it. They keep saying take other feeling in concideration, what about the babies feels. Have they once stopped to take the babies feelings in to concideration? Doesn't sound like it to me. They are only worried about 'themselves'. 

  

  

 
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October 9, 2005, 4:58 am PDT

About the bathroom comment

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Sorry to break it to you, but I didn't breast feed either of my girls (now 14 and 12 years), and they hardly ever get sick. And they are very smart, too. We are also a very close knit family. It takes a lot more to raise a happy, healthy child than breast feeding. Someone earlier stated that people who are uncomfortable with breast feeding in public are probably uncomfortable with their own bodies. It is my unprofessional opinion that this person is right. Breast feeding in public (please don't misinterpret this to mean the act itself) makes me very uncomfortable. And yes, I am uncomfortable with myself. Regardless of that, there was a time that I wouldn't have wanted my children to see an exposed breast. I feel it might confuse them to see exposed breasts when I try to teach them that bodies are sacred AND private. There will be a time when they will see other women's bodies, but please allow me to decide when that will be. Additionally, please don't try to equate exposed breasts to low cut shirts. It insults our intelligence. And let's get off of our high horses with the bathroom comments. Of course we don't want you and your baby exposed to bathroom germs, but honestly -- did you see Oprah's show about How Clean Is Your House? There are germs - nasty ones at that - everywhere. The whole point behind "recommending" a bathroom was discretion. It was to allow me the choice not to have my children even have the opportunity to view a partially naked woman. It all boils down to good, old fashioned courtesy.

I personally have nursed in a restroom, I personally would not eat in a restroom, not just because of germs, but for comfort. Courtesy, what about giving the breastfeeding mother some. Should she have to go to a restroom "most do not have chairs or even lids" and try to balance on the toliet 'weather it be clean or dirty does not matter' and hold a 10+ lb baby with no back support or even butt support because of no lid, so that your child or you don't see a blanket over a babies head? Now I am speaking from a nursing mothers point of view who did bfip 'discreetly'. 

  

Plus you said you believed that some women did/do not nurse because of being uncomfortable with their bodies. What are you teaching your kids. The same thing, so they will grow up to have the same problem. That their bodies are something to be ashamed of. That nursing 'the way a baby was suppose to be feed' 'I am NOT saying those who do not bf are bad mothers, just that bf'ing is the way God intended a baby to eat' is shameful. They will more than likely grow up to feel nursing is not an option for the same reason you did. Do you not want your children to grow up comfortable with their bodies?  

 
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October 9, 2005, 5:27 am PDT

What does Compromise mean to you?

Quote From: shellyee

Actually , I did answer this. Many times. Many, many times. Many, many , many, WAY TOO MANY TIMES.  

  

If I never told you to GET in the bathroom, then why do keep saying the same thing? Because you can't admit that everythingelse I have said is true. It is like calling me ugly. Oh, I am a veggie by the way. No steak. And I answered the question about having to eat in the bathroom. I did answer it. Yet you all continue to pound and pound on it because it is all you have. Something I never even said. It's just pathetic now.  

  

I am right. You all have no intentions of trying to show anyone any respect other than getting what YOU want. Compromise is just not an option. Your poor children. 

I don't see you willing to compromise? So many women on this board has said they believe that bf'ing in public is ok WITH DISCRESION. Yet you 'and all the others that share your opinion' still get upset. You want them to go to their 'car' or a 'private' place.  

Why?  I thought you were for bf'ing? and you want everyone to compromise! So are you not willing to meet in the middle? Breastfeed in public, but do it discreetly. Cover yourself, and I have never seen a woman take her top off to nurse!! Not even at home do I do that.  

It's beginning to sound as if you want everyone to do what YOU want them to do, not compromise to make everyone happy. 

Everyone has a right to their opinions and I don't believe anyone has a right to tell someone else that their opinion is 'wrong'. Opinions can not be wrong, they are just that opinions and not everyone has the same opinion. 

The children I feel sorry for are the ones that have to 'wait' to eat, because some grown person cares more about their own feelings than the childs. Your right we are the adults and should be able to put our feelings aside for our children. Again I think bf'ing in public should be done discreetly! If you mean what you say about compromising then that should be an acceptalbe compromise? Yes, No, Maybe? 

 

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