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October 7, 2005, 9:21 pm PDT

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Quote From: petrosky

I just watched the episode of Dr. Phil about breastfeeding in public and am very confused about the controversy.  I have nursed three children and often in public.  I've also been in the company of many breastfeeding mothers.  I have NEVER seen a woman take off her top in order to nurse in public.  I'm confused about what people are seeing when they observe a woman nurse!  The nipple is covered by the baby's mouth and generally women have their shirts tucked around the baby's mouth area.  At the most, you may see a tiny bit of breast skin.  I believe you actually see more breast skin when a woman wears a low cut top or dress.  I think the problem lies in people feeling uncomfortable that a baby is sucking on a breast.  Shelly would not admit it, Dr. Phil, but   I do believe she associated this on some level with a sexual act!  I'm surprised you didn't try to investigate her problem further.  I think it is outrageous to ban a woman to the bathroom to nurse (in my case I would have to drag two other children into the bathroom to the side while I nurse the baby).  Shelly's comment about rubbing the breast on the toilet seat was ridiculous!  Bathrooms are filled with germs, not just on the toilet seat.  There are many airborne bacteria in bathrooms (trust me, I contracted one and almost died from it last year).  I spend as little time in public bathrooms as possible!!!  I was also surprised by her comment about why she couldn't look away when someone nurses in public.  Trust me, I would never sit at a table with someone like her and nurse.  If I am at another table, it is easy not to look.  I am only 5' 1" and weigh less than 120 lbs.  I take up very little space in a restaurant.  You can look at someone else!  What will Shelly find offensive next?  Perhaps she wouldn't like to eat in the same restaurant as a handicapped child.  Maybe the handicapped should eat in the bathroom too?!?!?!  How about older citizens?  Sometimes table manners slip with age.  They too should not be allowed in Shelly's restaurant!  Come on Dr. Phil, you know I'm right.  MOST WOMEN WHO BREASTFEED IN PUBLIC DO NOT EXPOSE THEIR BREASTS!  Let's face the real issue, these people don't want to know that someone is sucking on a breast!  It's very sad to know people feel this way. 
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October 8, 2005, 12:10 pm PDT

I see your point... sort of

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I have to relate a story.  

When my eldest graduated from University, we had all gathered for a formal dinner to honor her. My ex husband was there with both his current girlfirend and the shackup he created a child with. As we sat in this very nice place with family (translate that as older members raised in a more polite society) the shack up, holding her child lifted her shirt and whipped it out. 

 For those of us  raised in a more gentle way this was not only offensive but horrible. My mother ( in her late 60's) and my grand mother (in her mid 90's) were terribly emabrrased. Not only for themselves, but for the woman with the baby. I could see by the look on their faces they knew that this woman had not been raised in a home  where discrestion is appreciated and expected. As the baby fed, the smaking sounds permiated the table. There was no attempt to cover up.  

My daughter, trying to be gracious, attempted to direct attention away from this woman, but she too was embarrased by this woman's lack of respect for others at the table. Whether you agree or not, for us,  this display turned a wonderful celbration of my daughter graduation into a moment that was uncomfortable and not remembered fondly.   

As you would ask us to be respectful of your "right" to feed your child when ever and where ever you want, I would ask that you might be respectful of people that have a different value system from the one you were raised with.  

Ps. Yes, I was providing her with the food...... the whole meal was at my expense as it was a graduation dinner.  

 I fully support breastfeeding in public, but what you describe is a little different scenario.  If I'm at somebody's home, I don't nurse at the dinner table.  I'll excuse myself and go to another room, the living room, for example.  I learned early on that if I didn't get over my fear of nursing in public, I'd have a very lonely life the whole time I'm nursing.  When my daughter was 2 weeks old my mom invited the extended family to her house for dessert to meet the baby.  She started to get fussy and I went to one of the bedrooms to feed her.  When I finished, everyone was gone.  I felt so isolated. 

Now that I've gotten over my discomfort, I don't have a problem feeding her in public.  If I'm in a restaurant with my husband I'll feed her.  I don't put a blanket over her head, but I make sure that I'm covered.  I don't see why anyone has a problem with that kind of situation.  We're not talking about "Girls Gone Wild".  This is nothing more than a baby needing to eat.
 
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October 9, 2005, 5:02 pm PDT

It's not that easy

Quote From: bmwgirl740

Why don't these women that insist on pulling out the breast in public, use a breast pump? I find it very offensive to try and eat dinner while a child is making a sucking noise on a woman's breast! Talk about disgusting!! Yuk!!  That makes me very uncomfortable and frankly it makes me sick. Ladies, pump your milk out and carry a bottle. Why do you insist on breast to mouth contact in public? Please don't be so selfish by putting your child's needs in front of other people. 

 

 You do not have to breast feed in public, that is a choice.  

 I'm a pretty modest person and I'd love to be able to pump a bottle before I go out to take with me.  Unfortunately, it's not that easy.  I have to pump 2 or 3 times to get enough milk for ONE feeding.  Should I have to plan for a week in advance to go out for a day?  Then I'd have to pump while I'm out to keep up my supply (it's a matter of supply and demand... if you don't use it, you lose it).  I can guarantee pumping in public would be a lot less discreet than nursing. 

Is a baby sucking on a breast really that much worse than someone slurping their soup or chewing with their mouth open?  Should those people not be allowed to eat in public as well?

It seems like people here are complaining about women exposing the entire breast (which I've never seen), not the people who are discreet about it.  I don't see why people have to generalize and say that all breastfeeding mothers are disgusting exhibitionists when probably 99% are covered by their shirt or a blanket.

Thank God I live in a state where my rights to nurse in public are protected by law.

 

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