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October 10, 2005, 7:20 pm PDT

I think Diana has it right !

I think that Diana has a very realistic view of what trying to compete in the workplace and be a good stay at home parent can result in. I just watched the show and really enjoyed what Diana had to with Dr. Phil and I have agreed with what she has presented her in the message boards. I do not think she's a radical promoting something off base or out dated. I think she is very accurate with her description of the debate that every parent with children faces. I think staying at home is very important and I am grateful for a wife that does a terrific job at doing that. I'd love to be with her helping her along the way, all day, but it makes sense for one of to work and bring home just enough money to keep the lights on, the water running, and pay for the doctor visits that are so frequent with three little kids.
 
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October 10, 2005, 7:56 pm PDT

Respecting each other, being better together

The show we saw today wasn't intended to be about a husband that is only about putting his wife down, despite her efforts to please him. I think a lot of the posts are leaning that way, and that is something left to every individual to decide - how he or she is going to cast his or her vote. 

  

I think what the husband was trying to get across was that he loved his wife, he loves his family, and wants nothing less than to be living life at its fullest. If there are obstacles preventing you from getting everything out of life that you can - because you haven't done something to remove them - then I think you are cheating yourself. Husbands and wives should respect each other. I want my wife to succeed at what she is doing because it will benefit her, our children will benefit, and we will benefit as a couple. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:38 pm PDT

Dear domination doesn't work

Quote From: mimiryun

Good grief! I'm sure his wife could go to is job and find ways that he could improve his job performance. He must have very low self asteem to come home and have nothing positive to say to his wife. Put downs are passive aggressive and what a shame for Kelley AND their children. 

  

I wish Dr. Phil had asked Grant what the relationship between his mother and father is/was. He got that narrow view from someplace. It would be understandable if he was older as we 60-70 year olds remember when women who worked outside the home were only teachers or nurses, period. That was at a time when most women were stay at home houswives. All fine and dandy then but a lot of women need to work now as many are single, divorced or widowed. I do think that many women, with a working husband, might do better staying home as she needs to make quite 

a bit of money to make it prudent. A lot of time when the woman works and pays for extra clothes  

car expenses and especially child care and getting more take out (more expensive) and after taxes do they really take home that much extra? Most don't. Some should run the numbers and then decide if waht she actually takes home is worth having someone else raising your children. 

  

The expression on Grant's face when HE was doing the housework clearly shows that he thought it all discussing and demeaning. I think he realized it was all a lot harder then he thought it was. I don't know if he would admit that. Probably not. 

  

She is a beautiful women who ought to kick him to Kansas if he doesn't show much improvment 

real soon and keeps it up. Life is too short to have someone you love be so demeaning all the time. She seemed kinda afraid to say too much and kind of cowered when he said such things as she was only mediocre. One must ask, "who put him on a pedestal?? 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

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The expression on Grant's face when HE was doing the housework clearly shows that he thought it all discussing and demeaning. 

  

I disagree with you completely. 

I don't think you can tell a single thing about what was going through his head from that tiny video clip. I happen to believe that the clip was taken at an inopportune moment and he was just trying to roll along with things. 

  

  

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:42 pm PDT

Diana has the right idea

I noticed several people posting in reference to comments Diana made. 

I agree with her take on the roles as they relate to a married couple, with children. 

It makes sense to me that at least one of the parents be directly involved with the 

daily routines and what some might call nurturing. It makes sense to me that one 

of the parents take the responsibility of generating enough income to provide the 

family with somewhere to live. I haven't heard or seen her say anything that could  

be considered as radical, oppressive, demeaning, or irrational. 

  

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:48 pm PDT

More info needed to be of much relevance

Quote From: shyhappy

 I have a problem with gender roles.

I think people are individuals.  How two people divide up the work in a household should not be determined by gender.

For a while, my husband was in charge of ALL the laundry - eventually he got sick of laundry so we traded jobs- when I got sick of laundry we decided we'd each do our own for a while. From the first day we started living together we always grocery shopped together and this is something that has always worked.

To say that wives should be responsible for domestic duties because in hunter gather times the men went out and killed animals and picked berries while the women stayed home with kids- is a little limiting. It's nice to have choice and voice and we should all use it to set the terms of our relationships to suit both people.

If that lady and her husband are happy -- and she likes "changing her shirt and putting on makeup before her husband gets home from work,"  then good for them. I don't think she should say all wives need be like her. Live and let live.

I think I understand the crux of what you are saying in your post. 

I didn't see where you say if both of you are working, or both of you are out of work... 

  

I don't think that just because she is a woman, my wife must stay at home and be responsible for the household duties. We decided to structure our lives that way. I committed to make sure that she had a home to raise our children in, give her every tool she needed to do her job, and support her with her work. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 8:57 pm PDT

What you didn't know does make a difference

Quote From: freezin129

I did watch the show today and found that Grant was really out of touch about the definition of a marriage. But my real question is this: On the day he was to replace Kelly in the house--why did he not re-organize the shelves and/or  cook a gourmet meal---he had all day!!!!! 

I am glad you watched the show and gave some input. 

I wasn't given much time at all to complete very specific tasks. 

I have tried organizing the drawers and cupboards. I have resolved, 

as a temporary means of keeping the peace at home, that since she 

doesn't redecorate my office I won't redecorate hers.  

Grant. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 10:21 pm PDT

Some challenges in life ARE self inflicted however...

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I think we all have a concept of what our married lives are going to be like.  Most married people are not fully living their dreams.  That is not to say they  are unhappy.  But lets face it ...most of us aren't dreaming of organizing cabinets, folding untold amounts of laundry, negotiating treaties between  the preschoolers, cleaning the Kitchens (a minimum of three times a day with constant interruptions) or coming home to an exhausted wife, and many tasks still left undone.   Life is a lot of work.  As married people you've signed up to do it together.  I am a mother of four 6 and under.  If a dish was never washed and a floor never swept. I would still be incredibly busy just caring for my children.  This is a labor intensive period in your lives.  It won't always be this way. But there will always be challenges you didn't exactly fantasize about.  How you deal with those challenges is what will determine if your life is great or just mediocre.   Loving your spouse for better or worse includes cluttered cabinets. Love is patient Love is kind.

Thank you for your response. 

I am not so concerned about not living my dreams - you are right; sometime dreams are 

a little more than within our grasp. I am a very functional person - if something doesn't 

work then it needs to be fixed. The aspect in my relationship with my wife that is exasperating right now is that I see her tired, worn down, and exhausted from cleaning up after our three kids all day. I have done it, not just for TV either. I get fed up with the chaos that has become our home sometimes. I think toys for the kids are wonderful - I have some toys myself. I think it is too much when there isn't a space available in the house to put the toys away when it is time to clean up.  Dirty dishes - they happen almost as often as you eat. I actually like doing the dishes. The frustration for me comes when there isn't a place to set the clean ones down after washing them. I know a lot of people will take issue with what I am saying with this, again. I wanted to meet with someone that would actually help Kelly and I with some ideas for organizing our house to make it run more smoothly. I wish that Diana had gotten more time to speak. I am looking for responses from people that post with clever ideas that they have used to help the marital woes. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 10:25 pm PDT

Holy Cowww..... (again)

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Holy cowww....that kelly's husband(whatever his name was) was a real piece of work, no wonder robin mcgraw was up all night when she read this case...kelly...girl he ain't good enough for you..get out when it's not too late....it's better to be happy alone than to be misrable with someone else 

I take it from your post that you are suggesting to Kelly that she make a move to end the relationship and disrupt the family. Is that really what you are suggesting would be a good idea? 

I am not sure that would really help anyone. 

 
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October 10, 2005, 10:29 pm PDT

Dear Kathy

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Grant, 

I admire your willingness to share your story.  I do truly believe that your wife's happiness is important to you. I can also understand why your wife would feel upset with some of your behaviors, ie grading her cooking...  I am wondering if you were criticized much while growing up and if you ever felt inadequate or like you were never quite making the mark or reaching your parents expectations?  How did you come to the conclusion that the expectations  you set for your wife were "normal" or that she shared your expectations?  Have you ever asked her what her standards for a "good husband" are, and how do you know you're meeting them?  I believe that you mean well but obviously this is backfiring on you.  I hope this works out well for both of you.  I'll keep your family in my prayers. 

  

Kathy 

You ask some interesting questions. 

I know that Kelly and I have talked about her expectations of her husband. 

I may not have understood them like I should have, perhaps? It is certainly worth looking into. 

  

 
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October 10, 2005, 10:34 pm PDT

Taking turns

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I did not agree at all with what he was doing to his wife I think that was wrong for grading her cooking.  I felt like he was using her.  And I'm glad that they put him in her shoes so he could see what she had to do everyday.  Now I do agree that a wife should cook for her husband but I also feel that he should do the same.  They should take turns on the cooking and cleaning I feel it's both of their duties.  Am I right or am I wrong?  They both live in that house they both eat so they both should do the cooking and cleaning.  When you marry someone you don't marry a slave you marry someone you love someone you're suppose to care for and to cherish not use and put down.  I'm sorry but if my fiance' ever did that to me I would make sure he spent the day in my shoes. 

I think you'll be interested to know that on weekends, and evenings when I am home early from work, I do take on the cooking. I enjoy cooking. We like to BBQ in the backyard. I try to lighten Kelly's load whenever I can. I think you are correct in your proposed marital agreement. 

  

Grant. 

  

 

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