Messages By: voyles9699


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sad
December 13, 2005, 9:42 pm PST

Feeling Like An Orphan

On August first, 2001, it felt like my world, as I knew it, had ended. My mother died that evening around six o'clock. My life was her. i did everything with her. We spent most of our time talking on the phone, all day. I was scared to death to have children, but my mom convinced me that she would help me every step of the way. So through her, my husband and I had 2 boys. My husband at the time, worked alot of hours, on the night shift. I often relied on my mom for company, mental support, and general help with raising my children. It was like we were a team, raising my boys together! I loved it and so did she. 

Then the dreaded day came, when ovarion cancer ended her life. What was I going to do without my best friend? How would I raise my boys without her? I was terrified! For the next few weeks, after her funeral, I had alot of time to think and reflect on everything. I had seen Dr. Phil on Oprah and remembered him saying that you need to fix yourself before you can be there for anyone else. So that was what I had started to do. At first, it was alot of reflecting into my past, being bullied as a child by teachers and students. Then in my late teens, it were a couple of employers. Around the time that we moved into our new home, I bought the book, "Self Matters". I read it cover to cover, and followed through on it. I was able to finally let my past go of all the hurt and anger. I could feel my "inner-self" coming to life.  

Then it was time to work on my marriage, that had been weak from the start. Feeling the power from my "inner-self", gave me the strength and courage that I needed to step up to the plate and notify my husband that we would either have to work on our marriage together, or end it. I was shocked! I thought he would have walked out that door for sure! But instead, he pleaded with me to do counseling with him. And you know something?.. The inner-self is amazing! I never knew that I could get what I wanted if I just believed in myself first! Anyway, my husband and I went through counseling for a little over a year when our counselor graduated us! We have been out of counseling now for a year and a half, and we are doing beautifully. I fell in love with my husband in a way that I had never felt before. My life was really turning around for me, and it was all because of me. I was being my own hero! I can sit here and honestly tell you that I lov myself and am proud of who I've become. 

Now had all that said, I still have one more opsticle to get around in order to be the kind of wife, mother, and self that I want to be in my life. My father. he has criticised me all my life for this or that. then after my mom past away, it got worse. After I worked on me. I decided to confront my father about this issue of mental and psycological abuse. I even bought him the Dr. Phil "relationship Rescue" book for him to read. (My husband and I had read it for our counseling, and since it had worked so wonderful in our marriage, I thought maybe it would help for my father and I as well.) My father set the book on the couch and said to me that he didn't have time to read because he was busy trying to get himself a life now. He said that he'd done so much counseling with my mom, that he felt like he was now an "expert". I was so shocked! Here I had come over to his house, let my wall completely down, and for him just to hurt me again! I didn't let it bring my innerself down though, now I knew that he was the one with the problem, and that for me coming forward to try and do something about it made me a stronger person.  

Time went on, and the cycle continued, until about 2 weeks ago. My inner self decided that it had had enough of the abuse! My dad wanted me to go out to lunch with him. I told him that I had some chores to do firt, then I would call him when I was done. I also told him that it would be around 1:00pm. He calls me back at 12:30pm asking me if I was ready to eat yet. I told him that It would deffentley be at 1:00pm. Well, that wasn't good enough for him! Before we hung up, he had a few nasty comments to say to me, about how incaring I was of his needs and so fourth. that phome call was last week, and I still have not heard from him! I remember hearing Dr. Phil say that time is too preciuos to waste, and I know all about that having losing my mom already, but how do you fix a relationship, when the other person doesn't feel like their's anything wrong in the first place? He feels that I'm making all this up to get attention, or that I'm just taking things too personally. I'm so frustrated! But at the sametime, I'm not going to let him abuse me like that anymore! Iknow that I deserve better for me. I'm a wonderful person, daughter, wife, and (hopefully) good mother, to my boys. If he or anyone else can't see that in me, then that's their problem not mine. I'm not going to waste my time! I am hoping that there is a way to fix my relationship with my dad though. I don't want him to die with all this unfinshed business! 

So as you can see, tha't why I'm feeling like an orphan. It's a pretty lonesome feeling. Any thoughts, or suggestions you have, I would love to hear! 

Thanks for listening! 

  

 

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December 14, 2005, 9:30 am PST

about your dad.

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This is my first time here, and I'm posting requesting advice I guess on what to do... this could be long.. so I apologize in advance. 


This is about my relationship with my Dad.  We had always been close... When my parents first separated, I was in the process of moving out of the house.  I ended up never actually being on my own (with my boyfriend, who is now my husband)  as Dad needed somewhere to go, so we let him stay with us.  Those first few years, he never contributed financially other than buying dinner every now and then.  My dad is a long distance truck driver, so sometimes wasnt there much, and other times would be there quite a bit.  We recently learned he told everyone he knew, and his side of the family that he was supporting us.  That obviously upset me, but I let it slide.   He's done a lot of things like that over the years to make himself look the hero, but I've never paid much attention to it.  

The big problem happened about a year ago.  


My husband ran into bigtime financial difficulties.  We had purchased a van, and Dad co-signed on it.   All in the span of 4months, we had to stay with in-laws for 2wks, as our hydro at the farm we rented was turned off as we could not afford to pay the bill, we got caught up, and were able to move back home.  The bills at the farm were monsterous, and we just couldnt manage everything.. and to be honest we werent very good at managing our money.  The van got reposessed. I had to take taxi's back and forth to work, which cost a lot as I worked in a different town than we lived.  I had access to Dad's bank account, and he had told me if we need anything, borrow it, and pay it back.  I did just that, but like everything else, it got out of control.   I ended up "borrowing" almost $1500 over a few months, and was unable to pay it back.  I lied to him about taking the money.  I told him I didnt.  He started an investigation into the bank, thinking identity fraud, and I finally fessed up.  I  dont know what I thought, maybe that he wouldnt find out that it was me.   I dont know. 

    He forgave me, but still holds it against me, which I dont blame him for, as I still beat myself up about it every day.  We tried to make arrangements with the bank to pay off the $9000 left owing on the van, but they wouldnt, it was all or nothing.  After a lot of deliberation, we claimed bankruptsy a few months ago.  We were told by the trustee my Dad would probably NOT be affected by this, but it turns out he was.  I just found out this weekend that the bank has gone after my Dad.   My Mom told me this, as apparently everyone knows about it but me.  I guess they came after him a few months ago.  Dad and I have not seen each other or spoken in almost a year.   

   Dad had a heart attack the summer that the "borrowing" money happened.  About 1 month after it went down.  I completely blame myself for his heart attack.  My mom and husband get angry that I do this, as Dad is overweight, and a heavy smoker.  But I still believe the extra stress caused it.  

  

I've heard from my sister and mom that Dad has stopped taking his heart medication and his diabetic medication because "he can't afford it".  I blame myself for this too.  I cannot believe that I would have done something so horrible to affect him the way I have.  


I believe I am a different person now, than I was when this happened.  I have post-traumatic-stress-disorder, I have for years.  I'm now on a whopping dose of effexor to control the stress / depression etc.  When all this was going down, I was incredibly suicidal.  I only pulled it together because I have 2 young children.  Thank God, I was able to do that.   I look back and say how stupid I was, but I still cannot forgive myself, and I dont think I'm worthy of forgiveness. 

  

The big issue, is its only a few weeks from Christmas.  I've heard Dad is very lonely, still in the truck, and now not taking his meds.  I'm worried that we will go by Christmas, and his health will deteriorate and I wont even be able to go to the hospital or worse case scenario the funeral as the whole family hates me for what I've done. 

  

I want to call my Dad, tell him that I just found out about the bank coming after him.   Tell him how sorry I am, and how much I love him.  I want to tell him I've changed, and I'm better now.  I want to tell him that I want him to take his meds,  that  i want my kids to see their grandpa for Christmas. 


But, I'm scared.  I know he's mad at me... why wouldnt he be?  But, how can I possibly just up and call him, and ask him to have a relationship with me again?   My Mom tells me I should call him, as his daughters are the most important thing to him, that he's a very forgiving man, and that he loves us no matter what.  

But, still, I'm scared.  I know just hearing his voice, I will fall apart, and become a blubbering idiot.  I want to have a relationship with my dad again, but How can we?  How can we get past everything I've done?   

Please I need advice on what to do.  Do I call, Do I not call?  What do I say?  How can I get past this?  I think I'm a terrible person.  Everyone I know, says I"m not, that I made horrible choices at a terrible time in my life.  I've changed, but how can I ask Dad to forgive me, when i dont feel that I'm worthy of his forgiveness? 

  

Please help...  

thank you 

signed, 

What do I do? 

I think I'm a terrible person. 

  

Hi there. I'm new here myself. Infact my message is right under yours.  

I want you to know something right now! you should'nt even hesitate! Don't ever wait to tell someone something that you feel needs to be said! You wouldn't want him to leave this earth not knowing would you?... I know all about being scared. 2 years ago I had to confront my father on our relationship troubles. I was scared to death! But I stepped up anyway, because it was just something I knew that I needed to do. I first put myself in his shoes. I thought about, what would I do if one of my children was feeling like an outsider to our family?... You bet all the money in the world that I'd want to know about it! 

It was very scarey for me to do all the same. But I did it anyway, and even though the outcome wasn't as good as I had hoped, I said what I needed to say, and knowing that I tried was comfort for me. Remember, you are not responsible for other people and how they take things. He might even need time to let everything that you have to say sink in. But know this, for you the relief of just being said, and knowing you tried, will be worth it. that way you have been acountable with your own life's track. Good Luck! Now Go Call Him!             Best Wishes,      voyles 

 

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chillin'
December 14, 2005, 9:44 am PST

(about your dad) for: whattodo29

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Hi there. I'm new here myself. Infact my message is right under yours.  

I want you to know something right now! you should'nt even hesitate! Don't ever wait to tell someone something that you feel needs to be said! You wouldn't want him to leave this earth not knowing would you?... I know all about being scared. 2 years ago I had to confront my father on our relationship troubles. I was scared to death! But I stepped up anyway, because it was just something I knew that I needed to do. I first put myself in his shoes. I thought about, what would I do if one of my children was feeling like an outsider to our family?... You bet all the money in the world that I'd want to know about it! 

It was very scarey for me to do all the same. But I did it anyway, and even though the outcome wasn't as good as I had hoped, I said what I needed to say, and knowing that I tried was comfort for me. Remember, you are not responsible for other people and how they take things. He might even need time to let everything that you have to say sink in. But know this, for you the relief of just being said, and knowing you tried, will be worth it. that way you have been acountable with your own life's track. Good Luck! Now Go Call Him!             Best Wishes,      voyles 

Once again, good Luck!  voyles9699.
 

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hopeful
December 14, 2005, 12:22 pm PST

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I can understand why you feel like an orphan. It sounds like you have truly made wonderful improvements in your life, and you did this all for YOU, thats so great! I know it would feel so awesome to see your father enjoy the strong inner self that you have for yourself, but he can't have that unless he wants it for himself. When he critisizes you for this and for that, what he is really saying/thinking is that HE is the one who isn't good enough. Since you've read Dr. Phil's books (so have I) you know that when people are unhapply and unhealthy emotionaly, they will reflect how they feel about themselves onto other people. This is what your father has done to you during your whole life, but now you are recovered and you are enjoying a good life, and there is probably a peice of him that needs you to be miserable like him. Its a kind of misery that goes very deep. He has a deep-seated dislike for himself, most likely going all the way back into his own childhood. Again, these are things that you can't fix for him, because you can't change other people, the only thing that you can do is change your reaction to them. Examine the past few negative interactions with your dad; what did you say or do that might have contributed to repeating the cycle of abuse? Imagine that you could go back and have that phone conversation with him right now, what could you have done or said that would have kept your dignity intact and could have made him realize that you won't be pushed around by him? (considering that there is anything different you could have done)  

I wish you the best. Know in your heart that you have come a long way, and that the only person's happiness that you can control is your own. If someone else doesn't want to be happy, its a choice they have made... Your father doesn't enjoy being happy, but it doesn't mean he has to drag you down with him.  

Thankyou so much for your advise. it's so true! i will remember that. it's nice to know that there are good people out there who truly care. thanks again, and have a great day!
 

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December 15, 2005, 6:51 pm PST

Is This Normal?

  I'm terribly in love with my husband. We've been married for over 12yrs. We have a very active sex life, and I enjoy him still very much. But no matter how much time we're together, my mind will wander anyway! I fantasize about being with another man. I would never cheat on my husband. Never have and never will. Why though does my mind wander? Reguardless of my loyalty to my husband. Why do I have these strong urges? How do I get rid of them? I've tried spending more time together. It's weird, he's still so into me too! He's always telling me how beautiful I am and that he wants me all the time. The way I feel just doesn't make any sense to me at all. I also have a busy life style, so it's not like I'm just bored either.  

If anyone out there has an answer, I'd love to hear it, Because I'm just baffled! And I don't want to feel this way...Even though I'd never act on it, it still bothers me!!!! 

Thanks, voyles9699 

 

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December 15, 2005, 7:18 pm PST

feeling beautiful inside and out.

I had a breast job 8 years ago. I'm so glad that I did. You see, I had always been small, and when I mean small I mean training bra size. Well, after my first son was born, I lost that too. It was so bad that I'd wear a training bra, sports bra, didn't matter, and when I raised my arms up in the air, the bra would rise up too, rubbing across my nipples! Ouch!!! Plus, no clothes would fit right. And swimsuits, Forget it! The bakini tops would fall off or lower enough for people to see a nip or two. I feel like a beautiful person inside and out, I care so much for other people, I'm loyal, honest, hard working, funny and sweet. I've been married for over 12yrs. and still happy and in love. I went to a size of almost a C cup. So no, I'm not advertising. People can't even tell that they're fake! They just look natural. I figure this, God gave every man a penis, women are supposed to have breasts. If a man doesn't have a penis, they make him one, so why shouldn't I have them made? Why should I have to walk around boobless? Did they make me feel like more of a woman? of course not, but at the same time, why am I not allowed to look like a woman. why should i have the body of a little girl all my life? that's why i had them done. not so that other men would notice me, or that I would atuomatically feel sexy,  but because i am a woman, and i just wanted to look the part.
 

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December 15, 2005, 8:47 pm PST

juball

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I think everyone from time to time will have those fantasies. If you are not focusing on just one certain person, I don't think you have anything to worry about. Fantasies can improve ones sex life.  People role play, try different positions and such to enhance their sex life, and making love to Brad Pit  once in a while is not going to make you leave your husband. I think you are working on more guilt than you need to.
thanks for the input. I do diferent things to enhace our sexdrives. but i understand where you're what you mean.
 

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hopeful
December 18, 2005, 5:52 pm PST

jantanner

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This is my first time using a message board so hope it's not to sappy - couldn't  find the Dr.Phil, 

"How not to be sappy rules" - is that him saying, "Are you kidding me - haven't you watched my show"? 

  

Well here goes: my sister is manic/depressive and she denies it, she blames others for her problems so she won't get professional help. Her life is very chaotic & troubled. Our family has rescured her many times but she only gets worse. She's in her forties but wants to live like a kid without any adult responsibilities. My parents are no longer alive.  My problem is guilt. I feel so disoriented when I'm around her.  She was my baby sister and I'm heartbroken. I feel so bad about myself because I tend to want to avoid her now.  I've been through this with her before & I now know I can't fix things for her. I 've worked hard and have a wonderful life but I'm loosing confidence in myself because I feel selfish & worn-out.    What do I do?  I appreciate your advise 

  

On a lighter note - Hope this next year brings wonderful opportunities for rich and rewarding lives to all - Thanks again.  

   

Hi there, 

I can't tell you that I know what you're going through, because I don't. But what I can tell you is that you need to care of yourself FIRST!! My suggestion to you would be to see a therapist. Someone that you can vent to. They'll listen, and show you how you can strengthen your inner self. That way you will be able to see things more clearly. Right now it seems to me that you're so stressed out, that your mind is in a fog. So, go see someone, prefferably someone recommended by a doctor. That way you'll feel secure with their advise as well. Good luck. Keep hopeful, there are things that can be done, that much I do believe, but as to what, I'm not sure... 

I hope I have helped you in someway. 

Wishing you a happy holiday season, and a brighter tomorrow! 

Tiff (Voyles) 

 

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chillin'
December 18, 2005, 6:08 pm PST

Hello all...

Hi, I'm new in this board. Normally I go to the friendship board. But I thought I'd drop by to say hello. I'm a 33yr old mother of 2 married for over 12yrs. Up until this last year, I had always felt  bad about myself. I paid a huge price for it too! I had bosses, teachers, kids, old boyfriends, friends (so-called), and other adults throughout the years treat me like dirt! They'd all put me down. Even my husband used to treat me bad. It finally got to a breaking point for me, after my mother died in 2001. I decided that I needed and deserved respect, and a reall life for me. Instead of living in a make believe one, where outsiders would see my life as perfect. Anyway, I quit the job that I wasn't happy with, because the boss treated me bad. I finally told my husaband that I was leaving him because I wasn't gonna be treated disrepectfully anymore! He wised up reall quick though, because he begged me to go to counseling with him, and that man turned into the sweetest man I know! I believe that it was all because I had finally listened to my inner self that had been screaming at me for years! I was sick of being everyones robot! It was time ti live my life for me! I'm so greatful that after 33yrs. of my life, I was able to wake up and get what's mine. I wish that everyone out there can do that for themselves. I believe that it's the best you'll ever get! I've never been truly happy until that day I woke up, and I tell ya, there ain't no way I'm ever turnin back! Good luck to all! I hope you can listen to your inner selves, because they truly want what's best for you! 

Happy Holidays everyone! 

Tiff 

 

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surprised
December 24, 2005, 1:39 pm PST

Hi marcia52

Hi Marcia! 

I'm not sure if you remember me??? 

My name's Tiff.  

I was in here just browsing around and saw you were here. I thought that I'd wish you a Merry Christmas! Also, did you know that it's Melissa's birthday today? (on the true friends board?) Do you know Melissa?? Well, anyway, just in-case you did. I haven't seen you for a bit. Do you like to brows too? I mainly stay on the true friends board, but I do mingle from time to time. 

Well, anyway, 

Have a happy holiday! 

Tiff 

 

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