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Messages By: darguill
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October 17, 2005, 6:17 am PDT
 I watched the debate on should you show your breasts or should you keep them covered outside your home. With Synnora I got the impression that she is the type that wants to be seen and she has a point to make her sexuality on the other hand Shelly has a higher standard and she seems to appreciate privacy and modesty. Shelly has nothing to prove and she demands respect. Synnora has no respect for herself or her boy friend or husband whe she did not speak of. This brings me to a point of interest and a question. Why is it that since we are talking about a womans breasts which are sex organs that there was no mention of what the husbands or boy friends thoughts are on this. I as a husband do not or would not want my wife to expose her breasts (sex organs) in public any where. Not in the car, not on a bus, ont on an airplane, not at the park. Even though a woman has a right according to the law and as it says as long as the female breasts is not exposed so as to create desire you may expose the breast to include the nipple. Now how does a girl since we have many that have children at very young ages and how does a woman not think they are not getting young boys or young or old men excited when they see the female breasts exposed. Some I think do such as Synnora because she says to get over it. I tell you this if I were married or attached to someone like Synnora it would not be for very long because this is not the quality of person I would want as a wife or to raise my children. What has happend to us so that we are 61% in favor of a womans right to flop out her breasts in public view. Is there not anything sacred and private with in the marriage. It sounds like anything goes. We are all aware of law makers that make laws that are unjust and immoral such as killing an unborn child and the government being able to take your home and property for what they think is a greater purpose or the irs doing the same thing. This is a law of the land giving the feds the right to do whatever they want but we know when it affects us that the law is wrong. It is the same with the law that says it is ok for a woman to expose her breasts (sex organs) for public view. Instead of stipulating that using common sence so as not to draw attention to others you must have your breasts covered for the entire event. But we have perverted judges who want to see this. I dont even know why this should even be a topic at all I wonder just how low will we go before we self distruct. I would like to have asked Synnora this, do you also flop your breasts out for your dad, brother, cousin, uncle, brother in law, pastor, minister, rabi, male co workers, who do you not show them to. Just because a woman has a baby does this mean that her breasts are no longer sexual objects or sex organs. No man on earth is able in his heart and mind seperate this. I have seen doctors become excited when they see fresh meat come into their office. Think on this two people are on the subway and she decides to giver her man a frilly dilly and during this event security comes along and discovers that a frilly dilly is going on and the officer says Hey, you cant do that in public but she insists that she is thinking of it as a piece of fruit. Does this fruit thought change what she has in her mouth, No it does not and just because women want to think of their breasts as milk jugs for babies does not suddenly stop the female breasts from being sex organs. Since we are into womans rights and woman have the right to expose their breasts to include the nipple so dont you think men should have rights to pull their scotums out if they need air and men should have the right to expose their testicles with the scrotum. Now that is silly and so are the women who want to show it off. There are places that will pay women like Synnora to show it off. Has Synnora and others like her thought of the breast pump. This is a dandy item that allows a woman to retain the milk by refrigeration and there by can be taken on the go so as to feed the baby in a public setting. We do not live in the Sudan where tits exposed is a way of life. We are suppose to be civilized so as to respect our self and the ones we are with and all others. I do not want to be in a public place and have some female plop her tits out in front of my 14 year old son and I have to explain to him that this is they type of woman that you do not want to marry. If this is such a beatiful moment with the baby then why is it not in private where you alone can relish in the moment. Yes everyone has a right to eat but there is something in us that seperates us from the animals, well, some of us. I am sure that there are so many that do not appreciate the true values that hold a society together and that there are some things that ought not be done for public view but this is one example that we are morally on a downward trend and marriage between two people mean nothing. |
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October 17, 2005, 9:25 am PDT
Quote From: marinema03 Dude...you are way scary and I hurt for you. Good luck even finding a woman with that attitude. I get the impression you are of a different culture and if not, you are a major stuffed shirt and extremely controlling. Breasts are only sexual organs if they are being used as such at that given moment. I have never known a nursing mother that did it for sexual gratification...that is plain disturbing! For you to connect the two makes me worry for any children you may have. Furthermore, to refer to women as "fresh meat" in a Dr's office tells me that you have no respect for the female mind or body at all. If your 14 yr old son sees you being judgemental about seeing a woman "plop her tits out" to nurse her baby then of course he is going to do the same. We learn acceptance from our parents and you, Mr., have NONE! As far as pumping the milk...you have NO idea whatsoever how painful that can be when you are so engorged the breasts feel like rocks. You cannot and will not ever know what you are talking about, being a male (notice I didn't say man) and are without the ability TO nurse. My two sisters and I all nursed around our father, step father, brothers in law, step brothers, etc., but we used discretion. It's not like we say, "hey, I'm going to pull my breast out now so I can feed the baby, wanna watch?." Please! They were very accepting of it because we all did it. No biggie at all. You are so mislead on all of these issues. Nursing doesn't even fit into the same zip code as public sex acts and you and a few others are the only ones trying to connect the two. One last point...nobody wants to see you expose your "scrotum", so please, do us all a favor and keep it hidden. It doesn't benefit anyone's quality of life the way nursing a baby does. Hey lady if you keep yours hidden so will I. My family is doing fine and we live according to our faith and this includes keeping yourself covered up. Yes by all means breast feed but cover it up. What is so difficult about keeping it covered up. I suppose my ideals are pruitan but why would you think it is wrong to keep it covered up? I can recall as a young fellow at a park many years ago. Myself and a few other friends were shooting marbles and a woman came and sat on the bench about 10 feet away from us and one of the guys gave me a elbow to the ribs and I looked up and this woman had pulled one out and she wet it so as to wash it then she got a cloth and wiped it and then she got a tube of something clear and rubbed it on the entire area and of course all of us stopped play marbles and we were five boys and she had our complete attention and then she picked her baby up out of the carriage and aimed the nipple to the receiving lips of the small child. With this show we were all quite aroused at this long careful display of breast manipulation. None of us at the age of thirteen needed to witness such an image of what should have been a private moment or at least a moment of cover up. After this one of the boys began to steal his older brothers dirty books and bring to school for the rest of us to look at. I dont think it made any of us outlaws but it did change the way we looked at girls after this (for a time) And I am sure that with television and movies we see sex all the time and it does influence us on how we view our own sexuality and the sexuality of others and you think I am bad because I say keep it modest and keep it covered except in your own home with your own mate. No man or woman is an island and what we do affects others. It was not my intention to offend but to give an opinon based on my life experience. I might add that there are those that think baggie pants worn low on the hips is hip and showing ones butt crack is cool or kool (Im not sure which). What if you had your day in court and your attorney walked in with pants like that dont you think this would have an effect on your view of him and would it not take you breath away if he bent over to pick up a pencile and it was in your line of sight. I think it would. Look at all those hip huggers, naval rings, 10 ear rings in each ear, a stud in your tongue or the eyebrow. About a year ago there were several 16 year old girls arrested at a mall for wearing mini skirts and they were bearing their bottoms for some of the shoppers. The point is the way we dress or undress even if we have a baby in our arms affects society as a whole. And I wish there were more women like Shelly who have the courgae to say cover it up and not someone who has little character because its easy to go along with the 61% that tends to burden our society with more sex and influence that flys in the face of morality and make no mistake about it this is a moral issue just like the condom issues and the wife beating and so many other issues. As seemingly harmless as this is it makes a statement of the charater of a woman who does or does not want to be in a chaste condition to her husband. You say scary and I say moral. |
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October 17, 2005, 12:01 pm PDT
Quote From: sadiesue I'm really hurt that you would think that I am raising perverted boys because I feel that breastfeeding should be a modest practice when it's done in public. I have taught my boys to be respectful and that it's bad manners to stare. They have seen many mothers breastfeeding (with a blanket) and thought nothing of it. However, we were school shopping at a mall and witnessed two mothers talking while feeding their children. One had a new baby and was using a blanket as cover. The other mother's toddler ran up to her and preceded to push his juice cup away, unbutton her shirt, pull out her breast in full view and STOOD next to her and nursed. In the meantime, she sat there and talked like nothing was happening. She didn't even try to lay her son across her lap so that her shirt could hang down. The newborn's mother made a comment about how maybe she should cover up some and was informed that breastfeeding was natural and if people didn't like it they didn't have to look. The mom with the baby got up and left to feed somewhere else. Now please tell me, was the toddler's mother wrong or right in how she handled her breastfeeding?
My point wasn't that I thought that the sight of you breastfeeding would turn my boys into lust freaks, it was about respect for others. Yes, bodily functions and breastfeeding are two different things. We live out in the country where every tree is considered fair game when needing to pee. My boys have rules though. If we have company, they must use the bathroom inside. Once again, teaching them about respect for others.
I am so glad that your oldest son is comfortable with your breastfeeding in front of him. It promotes a open relationship with him that most mother's don't get to achieve. I am also lucky enough that my sons can come to me with questions about girls, sex, and their body's changes. Please don't take offense to my next question because I'm not asking it out of spite, just wondering how you would handle a situation in case I also come across it as well. Despite your openess and advocacy for breastfeeding, what would you do if your oldest son came to you and voiced that he was uncomfortable with you breastfeeding his sibiling in front of him or his friends or in public? Would you respect his feelings and change how you did things or would you continue as you were?
As for your boys finding women who are comfortable breastfeeding, please also teach them to be accepting if their wives are unable to breastfeed. My husband never asked if I was going to breastfeed, but if WE were going to breastfeed. I tried with all 3 kids and was never able to keep an adequate supply and ended up switching to formula. He really wanted me to as he thought it was the best way to feed our children. If he was disappointed that I couldn't, he never let it show. It was his understanding that allows me to keep trying with every child. Maybe this time I will get lucky and be able to breastfeed, but I am also relieved knowing that he will support me either way. If you have any advice that would help me, I would love to hear it. My doctor and nurse tell me that there are a small percentage of women who just can't. I would love the opportunity just once to have that 'bond' that nursing mothers talk about. If you are so concerned about teaching boys that it is a natural thing to beast feet the young then show them a mother dog that is taking care of her puppies now dogs walk around and show everything and they dont care but this instinct was put in animals and we are not animals. You know there have been several female teachers in the news resently who have been teaching young boys about sexuality perhaps you do not disagree with this. Perhaps you may want to take your family to visit a nudist camp so that you can get them conditioned so that they have an opinion that one breast is as good as another. You just dont want to cover it up. Why not let you sons find out about breasts after they get married. Is there something wrong with that? |
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October 17, 2005, 12:02 pm PDT
Quote From: tica1213 I am a mother of three who breastfed each child for two years. I breastfed anywhere and anytime that my children were hungry. And yet I NEVER exposed my breasts. There were many times that friends and/or strangers would look at me and or talk to me and yet not even know I was indeed breastfeeding. I live in Florida, where by law I can breastfeed in public. I agree that woman should be ale to breastfeed her baby ANYWHERE. I also know that there is no need to expose the breast while nursing. There are specially designed clothes for discrete nursing and there are ways to cover up so that the worl does not see the breast. I do not find it an unpleasant thing to see. I actually feel sad for little babies whose mom's chose to not breastfeed so that they are less tied to the baby and more freedom to come and go. How a mom cannot want to hold a child to her breast to feed him is beyond me and yet I understand that it a choice for everyone to make. Mothers who do not breastfeed there children do not love their children anyless than those who do. I am glad thati did and would never think of offering my baby formula when I have two breasts that work just fine. I also think that mom's who say they tried to breastfeed and quit after only days or weeks, didn;t try enough. Rarely does a mom not have enough milk for her baby. Ignorance, stress and lack of support or usually to blame.
Marta P. Miami, Florida There ought to be more hearts and minds like yours. |
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October 18, 2005, 5:23 am PDT
Quote From: badtrip The proposition that it is immoral to breastfeed without a cover is ridiculous. I can't believe an otherwise intelligent person like you doesn't know how to spell cool (ok maybe I am missing something here, I suppose it's possible the young'ins are calling it KOOL these days?). I think it is great that you like boobies so much. I don't deny that boobies are nice organs to look at, soft to the touch, and that my baby and my husband find a lot of comfort in them. The woman you described as coating her breast in a clear liquid was probably using a purell or something, perhaps she rolled around in a septic tank before going to the park, but for normal circumstances you should not use much soap or other harsh cleansers on your breasts, it leads to dryness and cracking nipples. The montgomery glands excrete a cleaning agent that keeps nursing sanitary. Just think about it, do you suppose the field workers stopped to wash up as they took their babies from the back sling position to the front before a feeding? I am so happy you don't like looking at my boobies because I don't want to show them to you! But I will do what is necessary to feed my child when he is hungry, and if that has to involve a little skin or a flash of a nipple during latch on so be it. I just don't understand what is so hard about averting your eyes if it bothers you. My nursing has never been initiated in anyone else's face or at their table so mind your own bee's wax. we ought not have to look the other way. But if you show off your too too's the male population will look and it is better not to because you do not know if someone out there will develope an unwanted or unwelcome interest. I suppose as long as the husband does not mind you sharing your privates with others then I suppose you cant say anything if he does. So go ahead. |
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October 20, 2005, 8:13 am PDT
If one were to truly be converted that is to say be baptized and recieve the holy spirit and Christ come into the mind of a converted person I dont think Christ would remain in the mind and heart of the individual who is repeatedly commiting homosexuality. Each time this offence takes place you are draging Jesus Christ into that bed of sexual sin. Now if someone is trying to stop being a homosexual Jesus Christ will help them to stop this particular sin. Man was created first and then the woman was created from the man and it was only after that, that all others have come from the woman. Woman was not created seperate from man but was taken from the first man. If you will notice that once God had created the woman God brought her to Adam she did not just walk up to the man and God apparently married them and Adam then said bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh and this is representive of Gods intention form male and female to have a close personal intimate relationship with only each other and not to include female to female or male to male. God then said to multiply and this of course can only come by the union of a male and female. They fit correctly for this purpose. A help meet was made for a man and this complements the man so as to complete the man. At the end of Gen.2 God said "and they shall be one flesh" . The word cleave here means to hold fast to. I think that only married couples can understand this. Now we see in first Cor. 6:15 where Paul gives an example what being one flesh is he says that "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? So if you are having any kind of sexual union apart from a man and a woman being married to each other then you are taking Christ and putting him in sin and his spirit will not remain in that in you. Now this is a physical act that has a spiritual impact. There are ordained ministers that are openly homosexuals but is this what God wants? Look at what Pual says about men with men and women with women in Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to the uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: What God did here is if they are going to do it then do it and reap it. And in Verse 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. This means that a mans penis belongs in a woman vagina and not in anyones buttocks. This is very clear. Read on in verse 27 and 28 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, . So if a Christian stays in this life style God will no longer remain with you if you are not trying to stop being a homosexual, fornicator, and even those who are married and cheating. Now in verse 32 God says that those who know better and still do this are worthy of death. This is how God feels about these types of sins. Gen. 19:1 God sent two Angels to remove Lot and his family from Sodom. Gen. 18:20 Because of the sins of Sodom was so great God decided to destroy this city Gen. Sodom was apparently filled with homosexuality read on in Gen. 19:4 the men of Sodom, compassed the house Verse 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. Know in this case means to have sex. So these men of Sodom wanted to have sex with these two Angels. Lot did escape but the point here is that if God had intended for men to have sex with men and women to have sex with women he would not have brought destruction to Sodom if you read on in verse 24 The Lord rained upon Sodom brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven. I cannot find anywhere in the Bible that God is in favor of women having sex with women or men having sex with women or any sex outside of the male to female marriage union but he does say for a man and a woman to be joined together and have children and teach them righteousness. I hope this helps those of you who are truly seeking God's wisdom on this matter and that he helps you to change from it and lives as he commands us all to live. |
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October 20, 2005, 7:01 pm PDT
Quote From: mommyjenna How can you say that God cannot change a person? This shows a serious lack of faith. Which Bible does the Gay Network use? |
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October 20, 2005, 7:08 pm PDT
Quote From: moondragon Recently I have become a Chrstian and now attend church regularly. I have struggled to understand what God wants for me, and how this pertains to my orientation. There was a book written by E.T. Sundby, "Calling the Rainbow Nation Home" which has really helped me understand my love of God even though I am gay. So much of the bible has been misinterpreted over the years due to inaccurate trasnlation into other languages. I think people need to understand that it is honestly not a choice. I did not choose to be gay. Why would I want to be the black sheep of the family? I think the reason God made us physical is so that we can change or he would not have said "Be ye therefore perfect even as I am perfect. Of course none of us are perfect but yet we can change by deciding to change. I dont know why a man would find another man attractive for the purpose of sexual gratification but I think this can truly be overcome. Have you tried fasting and prayer and I mean set aside three days by yourself and take no food or water and seek God in a prayerful attitude and he surly will answer someone who truly wants to break this stronghold. Make no mistake about it it is a lust that can be broken by the power of Jesus Christ. |
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