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October 17, 2005, 12:53 pm PDT

The Other Side

A lot of folks on this board seem to be of the opinion that if a man doesn't want to have sex he is gay, depressed, having an affair, out of love, suffering from a medical problem, etc etc.  I'd like to offer another perspective on all this.  I have been married to a beautiful woman for ten years who is smart and outgoing and has always been my best friend.  We communicate well, we have the same values, we have the same sense of humour.  In every possible way, we're great together except ours is (by Dr. P.'s definition) a sexless marriage.   

  

It's not her, it's me.  And it's not that I am not interested in sex, because I am.  I'm not  gay, have been checked medically and wasn't having a relationship outside the marriage and am a very healthy, successful guy in his late 30s.  I'm good around the house (I'm responsible for vaccuming, dishes and the outside of the house, she's got laundry, the bathrooms and cooking and we split parenting duties right down the middle, too).  I have nothing to complain about and, on the outside, neither did she -- except that nothing was happening in the bedroom.   

  

What WAS happening was that every time we got into a fight (which was often in our early years though much less so now) I pulled away physically.  Even though things eventually became really good between us, I just got into the habit of withholding whenever we argued at all or when I felt underappreciated.  I knew she wanted sex just a little more than I did, so I used it as a weapon.  It's a passive-aggressive response, I realize now and the healthy thing would have been to seek counselling early on, but no man I know readily wants to admit to not wanting sex (probably because if you don't, people label you gay, impotent, etc. etc. as folks are doing above ).  I simply didn't understand what I was doing or why and, the more we talked about it, the worse it got (probably because I saw the discussion as a form of "nagging" ... if you can believe it).  

  

So here's the dynamic:  as good as my wife is, she's not perfect and she can "nag" about stuff  which, in turn, makes me less likely to want to be with her which makes her anxious and - you guessed it - more prone to complain about little things.  It's a downward spiral.   

  

Let's do away with the easy stereotypes, folks.  For men -- as well as women -- the most important sexual organ is the brain.  And guys often need just as much validation and attention from their mates to feel sexual as women do. This stereotype about all men being sex-driven beasts may be true for many men, but it's not true for all of us.  We're not above being just as passive-aggressive as some women can be -- we're just less likely to understand it because we're generally less self-aware.   

 
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October 17, 2005, 1:00 pm PDT

It's possible ...

Quote From: queentween

He has an anus. And then he has another opening on his body? Is he a hermaphrodite? Because a man has (I wish I could draw it) his scrotum, behind that is his prostate area, and then is his anus. How long have you been married?
He may have what is called a "sacral dimple" -- a small indentation at the base of the spine that's a mild form of birth defect.  Unless he has spina biffida, though, it would only be the depth of a belly-button, tops.   
 
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October 20, 2005, 6:20 pm PDT

Maybe I'm Wrong But ...

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Infidelity is a tough thing to get over, but it can only happen, if you can find a way to regain trust in her. She has confessed this to you, which shows you a sign that she has remorse. She didn't have to tell you, so you are ahead of the game as most find out by other means. I know it hurts, as I went through that many years ago, but the only way it is going to work is if you quit bringing it up. 

 

 It sounds like the two of you have discussed it, and now it is time to move on.  

 

Bringing the infidelity up over and over again, is another way of punishing  her for it, and give you a feeling of superiority. You need to stop it. If you  are wanting things to get better and want your child to have a happy home with a mother and father, you need to leave it in the past. You have told her you have forgiven her, and I doubt you will ever not think about it, but bringing it up is not healthy for either of you, no matter how difficult it is for you. 

 

 

People make mistakes, and you can't un-ring a bell. I don't know how one can love another too much. Yes, you were there for her when no one else was, but you need to focus on are you there for her now, since you have already given forgiveness. 

 

 

It sounds like you are a giving person, and she is lucky to have you in her corner, but to stay in her corner, you need to let it die, and maybe renew your vows or something that may help you to put it in the past. 

  

 

I hope this helps. Good luck, and keep us posted, as I am sure your experience will help others. 

I'm not trying to start a flame war here -- believe me -- i'm just rying to understand why your advice to the woman (above) is that if the husband has committed infidelity that the marriage is over ... whereas your advice to the man (above) is that there is still hope for reconciliation.  Understand, please, that I am asking for clarification, not pass judgement on your advice.  Is there something substantially different in the two cases that would warrant different advice apart from the gender of the participants?
 
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October 20, 2005, 6:27 pm PDT

Whoa ...

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I just had a baby 4 months ago and when I was pregnant my spouse was afraid to touch me because he thought he might hurt me or the baby. Maybe your guy isn't that sexually liberal and doesn't want to talk about it. After I had my daughter he couldn't wait to get into action! He counted down the days till the doctor approved the safe zone. As for the age, men have sex drives like teenagers till they die. It has nothing to do with age. And if he says it is because he is tired, let him be tired. When that baby comes for the first month you'll be saying I am too tired. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Despite what people say things will get back to normal. 

Men have sex drives like teenagers until they die?  That's the kind of unfortunate sterotypical response I identified in my post.  Not ONLY is the male sex drive much more complex than that, it actually ... and physically ... deteriorates over time as men age.  There's lots and lots of hard (pardon the pun) medical research to support this.  Trust me on this ... but  I'm 37 and my sex drive sure the heck isn't what it was when I was 17.  There's a market for Viagra for a reason!   

  

  

 

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