Messages By: katlover

Thanks so much for this message. I have read much of the posts about what people think of Gay people here tonight.  It scares me. It sickens me. I am surprised at the intolerance of many here. I am shocked at the opinions from heterosexuals about what it is like to be gay, or born or made gay, or can you change to heterosexual. How would you know? 

Why would I choose to be gay? To be denied the basic rights in this country (US). To be considered a second class citizen. To have someone else's religious beliefs thrown into my face; whether or not I am a sinner, whether or not I deserve respect and love. To be afraid to walk down the street holding my partner's hand because I love her. Afraid I may be attacked, beaten up or even killed because I CHOOSE to love someone. To have my partner be denied the right to grant my last wishes at my death because my family doesn't validate our love and relationship. To be denied the right to marry the person I love most in the entire world.  Who in their right mind would choose this? 

If any of you have questions about what it is like to be a lesbian/gay in this conservative and very judgemental society; please feel free to ask . I won't reply to questions regarding reconciling my homosexuality with religion as my spiritual beliefs are private and sacred. 

Sincerely, 

NA 

Oh please Don!!!!! That is not food for thought. It is rubbish.  

I will give you a little insight on what lesbians do on the weekends and I am speaking of myself and the woman I love dearly. 

 A few weekends ago we decided to get away for a few days and headed up to Pigeon Forge in the Great Smoky Mountains. Both of us like to travel and we both love to enjoy the view along the way. First stop after getting up mountains was a small roadside shop where they sell apples, jellies, baskets, etc. We bought the best apples and peaches in the world and munched on them till we got to Pigoen Forge and we enjoyed the view of the mountains at every turn in the road. 

We checked into our hotel and unpacked. It was dinner time so we explored the city and found a nice place to eat. The Old Mill and ordered a country style meal that was huge. We took most of it home in to go boxes. Then we traveled around the city at night; mostly taking the back roads to see the stars. Boring I know. 

Then we drove back to the hotel to change into our swimming suits so we could sit in the outdoor hot tub with our diet cokes, relax from a six hour drive and look at the stars again. Gay people are obsessed with stars. ;) Did I mention that we are both in our 50's and have the normal aches and pains of this age?  

We fell into bed exhausted and fell asleep in each others arms. The next morning we got up bright and early and headed to the Great Smoky Mtns National Park where we explored it as much as possible. We saw a water fall that had a trail which was paved. We decided we were going to take a shot at it even though I use a cane from nerve damage in both legs. We almost made it to the top while looking over our shoulders for the Black Bears who call this place home. Then a thunder storm popped up with lighting. Gay people are scared to death of lightening. ;) We huddled into a little cave soaking wet, chilled to wait out the storm so we could head back to the car. We talked about our kids and grandchildren; planning a visit to each of them in the near future. 

Then we headed back into our car and explored some more; stopped by a store and looked at the gemstone displays. We both enjoy rockhounding. Yeah gay people are obsessed with rocks too. ;) 

We drove back to the hotel to clean up so we could head out to dinner again. We went to Kentucky Fried Chicken. Yeah Gay people adore KFC! ;) After dinner we hit the pool and the hot tub again. Then we hit the sack again cuddled close. Wierd I know. :) 

The following morning we got up early and headed back for home taking a different route. We ended up on top of the highest peak Clingman's Dome in the Smokies. I could not manage to hike that steep trail and sent my g/f on ahead because she loves it so. I sat near the car taking photographs of the view. We got a bit lost on the way home because we took a wrong turn. Gay people can't find their way out of a wet paper bag. Didn't you know that? ;) 

We got home, checked the mail, checked messages, fed the cats and our dog. Unpacked, put dirty clothing into the washing machine. Had a light supper. Cleaned up the kitchen. Got into bed and talked about how  much fun it was to get up there this past weekend. We also planned on going back up there in a few weeks for a camping trip. If we can find one with good security because there have been several lesbians murdered in their sleeping bags in the past few years. And we didn't want to become another statistic. yeah gay people are freaky about that; we dont want to be murdered having fun with our partners and be slayed in our beds.  

It's a really boring life being gay. We own homes, we work in all sorts of jobs, we have kids and grandkids, we go grocery shopping (contrary to what you may think we don't have are own special stores for gays), we pay taxes, we get the flu, we vote, we eat out, we clean our homes and cut the grass, etc. All boring and very unexciting things gay people do on a day to day basis. 

Please come back to this topic in ten years and let us know how your friend is doing. That is if he is still sane or alive.  

One can turn their back on their true selves for only so long and then the pain manifests itself in all sort of illnesses including depression. I know first hand because I was married to two men for twenty years and hid the fact that I am gay until I was 47. When I finally came out it was like coming Home and I felt normal for the first time in my life. And I was celibate too. For awhile until I was ready. 

I wish for your friend the joy and luck that he find a man to love who shares his beliefs and that they have a child together to love, praise and raise to be a kind human being. It happens all the time and I hope it happens for him! 

Yes, what WAS she thinking about? I have not ever met this woman.  

My agenda is (and I am a lesbian btw) to have fun with my adult children, be a great grandmother to four really cute kids, to love my g/f with all my heart and soul, to make her happy, to take care of my pets and my home and to enjoy my friends too. To the other gay people on this board, what's your agenda? *smiling* 

Hey let's go have a coffee together? Hugs! 

This post is addressed to all the younger Christian members here (< 40 years old) who are so totally against homosexuality for supposed reasons stated in the Bible. Once again I won't go into the religious aspect of this debate at all. 

Christians have used the Bible to block so many minorities from obtaining equal rights in the US. I am addressing this to you because you were not born when these things happened. Like what issues did some Christians try to block with their Bible: 

• Desegration
• Freedom for POC (people of color) to marry and then a hundred or so years later the right to marry outside their race
• The ERA Equal Rights Amendment~which would have guaranteed women complete equality in the US
• Women's Right to Vote in the US
• African American Right to Vote in the US
• Freedom to Choose whether or not to have a child
• POC Right to Read- Tis true!
• Women's Right to Work

These are just a few rights that some Christians fought very hard to prevent and in some cases were successful, unfortunately. I was alive and with a thoughtful mind when some of these issues were raised and argued about. I saw the news and the folks with the Bibles in their hands trying to prevent some Americans from being granted their basic civil rights. And many examples that were used against the minorities mentioned above are appearing right here in this topic about Homosexuality. 

Could you take a break from reading the Bible and read the US Constitution. Why am I asking you to do this? Because it reflects what is coming down the road, how fruitless it is to argue against it, what a waste of time and energy it is to fight it.  

There WILL be full Equality for Homosexuals in the United States. And there is nothing much you can do to turn the tide against it. It IS going to happen. The only question is WHEN. And I am doing everything in my power as a member of the Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual and Transgendered Community to see that it happens sooner and not later. 

So I won't engage in arguing with any of you about who is right and who is wrong; it is pointless. What I do engage in is educating people about the true meaning of homosexuality and what it is like as a lesbian living in this country as a second class citizen.  

The only thing that matters is we chose to love and say no to hate and denying others their rights as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. 

And I can not bring this into the discussion. 

Thanks for the compliment. I have read your posts and now it seems that you are reading mine. I don't appear to be so threatening do I? Because I am a mother, a grandmother too! We have something in common; motherhood and the love of our children. My picture is here; a face that looks like many other Moms and women here. 

So see gays are not what many people think. My g/f and I do not hang out in bars. We don't dress in outlandish and very revealing clothing in Gay Pride Parades. Though I will stand up for the right of others to live their lives as they see fit as long as it doesn't hurt me and my family physically that is. 

I have already mentioned what was my grandson's response when I came out to him; he feels the only important thing is that we have someone to love.  

But my granddaughter on the other hand broke my heart when I came out to her. Actually I had them both together at the time. She said "Grandma, gay people touch children in bad places and ways. You are not going to do something bad to me are you?" It almost killed me that she was already hearing negative and very damaging sterotypical remarks about homosexuals. I choked up literally! 

I said, "Ava no! I would never touch you in a bad way. Gay people don't live for touching children in a bad way! I will tell you this darling, if someone does something to you that gives you a sick feeling in your tummy; no matter who it is; tell your parents immediately! " 

Can you all not see the damage this does? 

"Let's not forget that the Bible was used to deny women the right to vote, to support slavery and look what "good and decent Christians" did to our Native Americans in the name of Christianity. " 

Good point! And let us not forget how some Christians fought interrgration in our neighborhoods as well. To the younger people, believe it or not people could deny housing to someone based on their race, national origin, religion, age, etc. etc. Yes, there were some Christians out there using the Bible to promote and deny  the right of people to live in whatever neighborhood they chose.  

Looking back on recent history, it sounds disgraceful in all the ways the Bible was used against the human race to deny them basic human rights. 

Your children are so lucky to have YOU for a mother! Good job! You are a prime example that it is possible to be a Christian, love your children unconditionally and do not judge others. I wish the world had many more people like you in it! It would be a better world with much love and joy! 

Thank you for your post!