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October 20, 2005, 11:53 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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What do you mean, I "did not choose to be straight"? 

  

Being "straight" is the NORMAL way to be born! It's the way everyone is born. YOU choose to be different and go away from that normality. 

  

As far as "love" being a hard concept to understand, I disagree. I'm married with children. I know what love is. The love I cannot understand is the one that happens when woman loves woman and man loves man sexually. Try as hard to accept that as I have, I don't understand that. 

Straight people don't realize that gay people are born gay. They assume that because we are different that we must have chosen to be different for some completely irrational reason. HOMOSEUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE. I WAS BORN GAY AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ME! final
 
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October 20, 2005, 12:05 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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your exposure to gay people growing up (were you around gay people a lot? did your family have many gay family friends? was a family member gay? or were you completely isolated from gays and forbidden to go near them?), how your parents brought you up to look at gays (did they tell you it was not acceptable? did they tell you it was O.K. because "God made them that way"? did they tell you it was a sin? did they tell you to stay away from them?), or course, your family status (abusive home? divorced parents? only child?).  

   

All these thing put together contribute to who were are.  

 

Never met a gay person until i was fifteen, and I knew I was gay before then.  The family had no gay friends, no gay family members.   WHen a friend came out to me in high school and i relaized i experienced those same feelings and could finally put a name on them, i was forbidden to be around her, to the point where I nearly was sent to another school just to ensure I would obey this command.  I was told it was not acceptable and I was not "born that way" it was just a phase, that I had to change.   

My parents had a good relationship and remained married to this day.  I was never abuses, raped, molested, etc.   

  

So put that together and that should equal a straight person? 

  

These are all assumptions made about the gay community.  They are not true.  Making such assumptions about people is called judging, and that is not condoned by the Bible. 

  

  

I think hetero people are rediculous to say that because as gay people who want to be able to be gay in public that we are flaunting it in their faces. Do you have any idea how many blatant displays of heterosexual affection I have to endure within my family or on tv or in the street everyday. Yes gay peopl exist, and no they should have to restrain themselves  from having relationships (or sex) and yes you should have to see it, bigot 

 
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October 20, 2005, 12:09 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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you said:Jesus didn't mention sex but he certainly mentioned marraige in the joining of one woman and one man to become one flesh.
Your point being? 

  

Leviticus has been addressed many times. Good then we can dispense with it. 


Judging has been addressed.  Good , then don't condemn gays. 

  

You have not addressed the passage correctly. Paul says that he judges his BROTHER is inexcusable. He is saying it specifically in the context of temple activities in which men lie with other men. These were heterosexual men and their lying with other men was unnatural for them. 

  

Condemning people is a different matter than judging behavior. But we are exhorted to judge our OWN behaviour, not that of others. 

  

It still isn't clear that homosexuality per se is grievously wrong, and that persecuting gays is justified. Romans is certainly not the hard evidence. 

  

  

  

  



 

Yeah but, I don't believe in the bible so any bilical argumant is moot to me! 

 
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October 20, 2005, 12:10 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: madaboutu

Becoming a Christian isn't about being good enough or doing something in order to earn our way.  Salvation is a gift from God ... not man ... so that no one may boast.  Jesus said that He is the only way to salvation .. the only way to God ... there is only one way and that is through him.  And He is at the right hand of God interceding for us.  So we pray for the faith to believe in Him and His promises.  We admit that we are lost without Him.  We accept the grace and mercy that He gives and fills us with.  The Holy Spirit then resides within us ... guiding us, counseling us, comforting us.  There is no condemnation in Christ Jesus.  But one has to accept that He is the only way.   

Once we are His ... we have to allow Him to so fill our lives that others see Christ in us.  We have to war against the sinful nature that is within us.  That doesn't just disappear because we've accepted Him.  He brings transformation ... but we have to be willing to be transformed.  We have to seek Him and find Him why He may be found.  We have to submit to His will and trust Him with our future.  Jesus did not condemn the woman at the well who was described as having had several husbands and the man she was living with at that point was not her husband.  But what he did say was, 'Go and sin no more.'  Huge.  Huge.  We could not possibly do that on our own.  We are human, fallible creations who will fall and stumble and slip.  But we do not have to embrace sin so that his grace can be shown.  The apostle Paul states this in one of his letters to the church ... 'Should I sin so that grace may abound?  No!'  And so daily we are faced with all sorts of circumstances and relationships that require us to make choices - choices between sinning and not sinning.   

I encourage you to turn to the Word of God and let it fill you up.  Find a reliable translation.  The NIV is one that is tested and proved reliable.  There are many others out there though that are probably an easier read for devotional.  I use a living translation and some use the Message.  I encourage you to find a bible teaching church ... one that relies on the Bible as the authoritative word and that preaches that Word from the pulpit.  The salvation message should be front and center.  And if those parts are there in that church then the congregation will be loving people who will  embrace you for who you are in Christ now.  But that congregation should also have accountability.  We as the body of Christ are accountable to one another.  We are instructed to love one another, pray for one another, and hold one another accountable ... even to the point of pointing out to a brother/sister when they are falling.  Participation in the body means be willing to love someone enough to give and accept this kind of accountability.  Trust in the Lord with all your heart.  Lean not on your own understanding.  In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will make your paths straight.  The word of God is foolishness to those who do not believe in Him.  And it is wisdom to those who have been saved.  Read Psalm 139 daily so that you will know how much he cares for you.  He knew you before you were ever born.  He holds you in the palm of His hand. 

I will be praying for you as you are beginning your walk with Him. 

  

Yeah but, I don't believe in the bible so any biblical argument is moot to me! 

 

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