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December 30, 2005, 7:42 am PST

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Spanking isn't an option for everyone, and there are plenty of other ways to get the same results without ever having to put a hand on your child in that way. Mine are 19, 15 and 12, and I have never had to spank any of them....and yet they consistently have gotten compliments on their behavior, both with me and away from me. They learned self-control and self-policing at a very early age through having things explained to them, and that seemed to be what worked best with their personalities and temperaments. They didn't take well to just being told that something wasn't allowed...they wanted to know what could happen to them if they did it, or why I thought it wasn't a good idea, and things like that. Then, once they processed the reasoning behind the rule, they had no problem complying. They still, as teens, prefer to discuss and understand rules rather than just have them given to them, and that still results in few, if any, breakage of rules, so we stick with it.  :)

 

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well good to hear your kids are angels  

some of us are not in that boat 

i have tried all sorts of things but my son although he is a good kid  

he has his moments where i am thinking i am a bad mother in some way  

i have spanked him not on a regular basis  

and i have popped him in the mouth 

i am going to try something i heard from someone on here about getting poker chips and using them as rewards 

when my son gets enough then he will get a reward 

if not then they will be taken away and he will get nothing 

how does that sound? 

  

 
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January 1, 2006, 5:33 am PST

thanks

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just want to encourage you on this wonderful adventure of parenthood,please don't ever think that you are a bad mother. All of us here are in the same boat with basically the same goals for our children, to become good, caring productive adults. It certainly is a journey and we all have our up's and downs with our children. some children, I think are easier then others but all in all, they are all the same when it comes to needing love, guidance and discipline. There are many discipline techniques but as each child is diffeernt, discipline techniques are going to be different for each child. I think the poker chip system is a good idea and may work with your child, I personally just use sticker charts and my children earn rewards, time outs work with my two because they don't like sitting LOL...but whatever you do, it must be consistent and tho it can get hard and tiring at times, being consistent and sticking with the rules is very imporant and eventually the child will catch on. I think too many parents give up/in too easily and then their kids start running things. I think you are on the right track and niothing wrong with seeking help/advice. I have a good friend who I go to if I need something and it does do wonders, as there are always people who have gone through the same thing or they have ideas that we may not have thought of. I think a good parent is one who has the desire to teach and guide their children in the right way to go and not afraid to admit when they are having "issues", hang in there and know that you are the best mommy for your child and in return, you will see positive things happening.

hi there 

 thanks for the advice and the input 

i know there is a long road to parenting and it is not all good  

but what do you do when you think the father might be the one causing the issues 

i mean he is with his dad now and evidently he is goodover there with him and his stepmom  

and i do not want him to get to the age where it is to late 

i have asked his dad  to talk to him about the back talk and when i asked him  

what he talked to him about he told me he said "don't talk back" 

my fiance talked to him better than that and he is not his dad 

i mean is that wrong  

and the other night my son was not doing what i was telling him and my fiance just sat there and didn't say a word 

should i have confronted him about that?  

i mean he told me he was going to start doing that  

i mean when he just sits there and my son sees that he knows i have no support from him  

that is the impression i got 

let me know 

  

  

  

 
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January 1, 2006, 5:38 am PST

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It is not mouthing off if you are speaking to your husband/wife. It is mouthing off if you are speaking to your parents.  I don't care how old you are if you mouth off to your parents you should get a pop in the lips. I am an adult w/kids of my own and I would never dare disrespect either of my parents and that is the way it should be. There shouldn't be a debate as far as I'm concerned. 

well first of all i don't appreciate my son mouthing to me  

especially when he is saying that i am a bad mother to him  

he does not know what a bad mother is  

he has everything a kid could want and a mother who loves him  

i am not going to stand and let a 7yr old tell me that i am not a good mother 

when i work my but off for him and me  

i am a single parent who just got engaged  

and the other day my son was not doing what i was telling him to do 

told him to get ready for bed brush his teeth and all of that  

he would just stand there 

i would think that my fiance could have said something 

that way at least my son would know i am not alone in this  

that he is supporting me  

i know he is not his son but still when we get marrried we will be a family in the same household 

what do you think? 

so if you think i just hall off and hit my son for no reason think again  

you can ask anyone and i am a good mother  

so don't go there 

  

 
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January 1, 2006, 5:42 am PST

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I myself was spanked as a child and it was the best thing for me.  I was never abused or hit by either of my parents or relatives.  When I went over the line I was spanked hard, fast, then and there. 

Enough pain was sent to my brain.  After about 8 or 10 of these - I soon realized that as long as I listened and stayed within my parents boundaries I basically had nonething to fear. 

  

Then as I got older I received a few backhands accross the mouth when I lipped off to adults. 

Again I realized.  When I watch these parents on Phil's show - all I see are Wimps who are afraid to be parents - 'oh I can't hurt poor little johnny'.  Wish my mom was here to straighten these parents out. 

well i don't want to have to spank my son or anything  

but sometimes when you have tried everything and are getting tired of the disobedience 

then you have to use other options  

i think i am getting persucuted because i popped my son in the mouth because he said i was a bad mommy  

when i was telling him to do thingsand he wasn't doing them  

it is not like i punhed him with an open fist or anything or knocked his teeth out 

my fiance's grandmother had did that to his son before for smarting off and they said she shouldn't have done that  

that a spank on the bottom would be enough  

and she said well the smart words did not come out of his butt 

  

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January 1, 2006, 6:06 am PST

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I myself was spanked as a child and it was the best thing for me.  I was never abused or hit by either of my parents or relatives.  When I went over the line I was spanked hard, fast, then and there. 

Enough pain was sent to my brain.  After about 8 or 10 of these - I soon realized that as long as I listened and stayed within my parents boundaries I basically had nonething to fear. 

  

Then as I got older I received a few backhands accross the mouth when I lipped off to adults. 

Again I realized.  When I watch these parents on Phil's show - all I see are Wimps who are afraid to be parents - 'oh I can't hurt poor little johnny'.  Wish my mom was here to straighten these parents out. 

well i was spanked as a child as well  

and it did not hurt me at all  

i mean at the time it did  

but it taught me to respect my parents  

i never treated my parents like my son is  

and he is only 7 and i want it to stop before he gets any older 

i am engaged and i feel my fiance should say something to him or at least say something to let my son know that i am being supported by him 

i don't get that from my sons dad 

i think it is all a joke to him anyway 

i have said  things to him about our son when we comes over to get him or drop him off  

and he says nothing and smiles and laughs like it is funny  

 i think he is part of the problem as well  

i have been thinking of looking up our decree when we separated to go by the visitation in there 

then he would only see him every other weekend and a couple of days a week  

just till things get better with our son  

  

what do you think? 

  

  

 
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January 1, 2006, 6:53 am PST

hi there

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Hi, I'm going crazy trying to figure this thing out and It's starting to drive me nuts.... I've been with by boyfriend for 6 years in Jan.  We talked about marriage and engagement and what that means to both of us.  Heres the problem I have set goals in my life that he is very aware of and I want to meet them because it will make me happy. I want to be married by 25 so I can then begin having a family and be done having my children before i'm 30.  I've just turned 24 so it getting to be chrunch time.  I don't want to have childern out of wedlock.  Although I don't care how long we are engaged but I feel it needs to happen soon.  I love him very much and feel that I want to spend the rest of my life with him. He has always been there when I need him and he understands me most of the time he is a true friend and then some.  I know I probably am putting presure on him becasue he knows my life goal.. This is the issuse he says he loves me but he not sure if he ready.  What should I do if there is anything I can do at all or what?  I at times feel like I've wasted 6 years of my life for someone who is not sure, but at the same time I have grown and learned so much from this relationship.  I'm so confused can someone please help?????

well i have been in the situation you are in years ago  

i was with a guy for 6yrs engaged for 4 of them and we lived together  

do you live with your b/f? 

i have been with my fiance for almost 3yrs and we just got engaged the day after christmas 

we do not live together because he knows that i have been there and done that  

and never got married 

so i think after 6 yrs you need to ask yourself do you want to just date the man or marry him 

and if he still does not know then you might have to give him an ulltimatum 

i mean i was patient with my b/f  

but it has only been 2 1/2 yrs  

but we are planning on getting married this fall and getting a house 

  

not sure if that helped  

but it lets you know it has all happened to us at one time or another 

  

let me know 

 
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January 1, 2006, 6:57 am PST

hi

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you may also want to check out this website...www.heartless-bitches.com  and look under the manipulator files.  you will find all of the info that you need regarding this type of individual

after 5 yrs and he still can't say he loves you  

i mean come on  

if he does he does if not then move on  

why be with someone and pay allof the bills and groceries when he is not even thinking you are a couple 

i mean you buy groceries for the both of you and when he does it is just  for him  

that is not a b/f g/f relationship  

i think you need to end that  

and kick him  to the curb  

  

  

 
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January 1, 2006, 6:59 am PST

hi

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First of all, have you and your fiance spoken to his parents about how you feel.  Have they told "YOU" why it is they dislike you. And if so, just let them know that even though they dis-approve of you two getting married, You want them to be a part of the wedding as all parent should be, but they need to understand that their son loves you enough to marry you and they should respect that. If they are still unable, inform them that you will be there when they change their minds. It could be a hard process, but letting them know that you are not going to let them break up your wedding could make them take a step back and re-evaluate their doings. Believe me I know, my in-law were the same way. My husband is from Africa and his family was TOTALLY against him marrying me. But after some time, they understood that they could no longer control what their son does and backed off. I am now happy to call them Mom and Dad. 

i agree as well  

 ithink you should stil invite the parents to the wedding  

i think you should sit down and talk with them before you get married  

i think however 18 is a little young to be getting married  

how old is your fiance? 

  

  

 
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January 3, 2006, 11:36 am PST

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I am not a parent.  However,  I have had close relationships with my five neices and nephews since their births.  I have lived with them at times,  and definitely have the inside scoop on the inner workings of a typical western cultured family.  And,  from what I've observed,  it isn't always happy,  and it isn't always sad.  It's taking the good with the bad.  But I believe that the way one disciplines their child is very important to the family unit. 

Spanking has been passed down through three generations of my family,  that I am aware of.  Probably more.  Has it worked?  Never.  The routine is always relative: child is upset because parent wouldn't let him or her watch this show,  or get this thing,  so parent spanks in order to diffuse the situation for immediate results(instead of long lasting).  Now,  this either (A) works immediately based on sheer fear,  or (B),  child screams louder and sticks to his or her guns,  throwing a tantrum,  and throwing inanimate objects.  They are deliberately challenging authority,  which has never gone well in my family.  Mother or father snap,  spank again,  put the kid in their room with no dessert.  What has this solved?  Nothing.  Because the valuable lesson is non existant.  In my experience,  it only causes chaos.

Now,  in no way am I,  or would I claim that spanking doesn't work in it's own ways,  especially since every kid is different and you have to tailor punishment to each specific child.  Sometimes spanking a child works,  and in theory,  this is because they are scared.  But in their mind,  they are a hot volcano of anger and confusion.  The psychology of a child is very complex,  they are at a time in their life,  where a lot of things don't make sense,  and they have to make sense of everything they see.  And sometimes you can send a scrambled message.  By that I mean:

1.  Child cannot comprehend situation based off of it's very limited logic base,  therefore wondering why there is violence being inflicted upon them,  yet their parents love them.  They cannot make sense of this. 

2.  Parent genuinely loves their child,  and is only attempting to love them in the way they were taught,  and many times that is spanking.  They think that they are doing something good,  and again,  that's really dependant on your viewpoint,  it's just subjective.  But the fact remains the same,  that many times this creates an unbalanced child.  This is something I have had the privelige of observing personally.

3.  Child is left,  in many cases deprived of sufficient punishment,  and parent is confused and worn out because they only know what they were taught by their parents.  And maybe that just won't work on this particular kid. 

4.  Sleepless nights,  conflicts,  and confusion ensue.

Do I think spanking is the answer to some situations?  I don't know,  but I don't really think so.  I think there are alternatives,  even with the variation in personalities,  spanking doesn't have to be an option.  But some choose to discipline their children that way,  and that is their lawful right.  I don't agree with spanking,  I think it is cruelty done by those who do not wish cruelty upon their children.  You may mean something in a contrary way,  but it doesn't change the action.  I think society is the overall victim.  I think we are victims of ourselves in many a sense.  We don't know how to handle every situation,  we aren't infallible,  so we just do what we know.  And most folks know spanking.  They may not consider all methods,  like reverse psychology,  and bartering. 

In my personal opinion,  the less conflict in the home,  the better.  No screaming or spanking,  that is the best policy,  I believe.  Because if you scream and hit,  your kids will likely think that's okay.  I've witnessed it a million times.  They don't have the evolved reasoning that they would need to understand the situation.  How are they supposed to understand that when mommy and daddy hit,  it is out of love and best interest,  but when the kids hit other kids,  animals,  or even adults,  it is bad.  How would a four year old piece that together?  I don't know your four year olds,  or your six year olds,  but this has been my experience,  and my accumulated understanding.

You have a right to spank your children,  unless it's illegal in your state or province,  what have you.  I don't know your kid,  maybe it works for you.  But from what I've observed,  it's never been and will never be the answer for the kids I know.  That's just my perspective,  I don't consider it a law or try and impose it on others.  It can be a trivial matter indeed,  honestly I think today's society isn't fully equipped to handle life as it is,  having to raise children,  while beautiful in it's own way,  must be a very heavy load.  And I sympathize with all parents,  I know how it can wear you out. 

well until you have kids of your own 

nieces and nephews do not count  

because you always are able to give them back 

thanks for sympathising though 

  

 
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February 15, 2006, 7:40 am PST

engaged and frustrated

well me and my b/f now fiance are engaged  

got engaged on 12/26/05 

and we have kind of set the date for october 14th  

we have looked at one chapel and they were rather expensive  

but that is it  

he is has been working every saturday lately and hard to go and look by myself 

he says he will more than likely have to work this saturday and the 3 after that  

what do i do?  

i know we need the money for the wedding and the house were trying to buy this year  

but don't you have to make time to find a place to get married 

 he has said when we get a house we can married there  

but we have not found it yet  

help  

frustrated in indiana 

  

 

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