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October 24, 2005, 5:40 pm PDT

10/24 "Is This Normal?"

Boy, did today's show (the lack of empathy on the part of the woman whose husband had a liver transplant) hit a chord with me and my life. I'd love to see a whole show on uncompassionate spouses who won't or can't be supportive during their partner's health crisis(s). This is the first time I have seen this type of a problem aired. And, was sooo totally surprised to see someone else going through what I have been going through. All this time I thought I was alone and this was a unique problem. Ten years ago, I was dx with a brain tumor, specifically a pituitary adenoma. As the result of this tumor and its subsequent regrowth, I have undergone two neuro-transsphenoidal surgeries and a six week course of daily radiation. The second surgery necessitated the complete removal of my pituitary gland and if any was left, the radiation would have rendered it totally useless. Therefore, for the rest of my life, I will require treatment for panhypopituitarism, which consists of but is not limited to, adrenal insufficiency, diabetes insipidus, hypertension, hypogonadalism, hypothyroidism, osteoporosis, visual problems and a weakened immune system. A lot of medication, yearly MRI's and seeing a variety of specialists. I am, also, being treated for depression with suicidal ideation and sleep difficulty because of the emotional stress my health problems have created for me not only physically, but financially and maritally. My life has been totally turned upside down. I don't have the energy I once had (@ one time I worked as many as three jobs plus tried running a home-based business). My husband, like the woman whose husband had the liver transplant, expects me to work full-time and bring in at least half of his yearly income. That is his compromise. His attitude is that I am not in a body cast, thus & therefore, I should contribute my fair share of the finances. If he gets a raise, he figures he then should be able to work less. And, he does. He, also, has bought himself expensive toys, such as a Goldwing motorcycle, a three-wheeler, a boat because he figures the kids are gone it is time for him to have his toys. He goes on vacation to places such as Strugis with his friends because he feels entitled. He works and I can't. If I want to go on vacation, he says things like when you work you can. After the first year of horrendous medical bills, I run into problems paying back my student loan and had to hire an attorney (which a borrowed $2000  from my sister) to get it discharged. I was responsible paying her back because it was my student loan. On weekends when my husband is home, he will only do stuff he feels is important. If I am not feeling well enough to even do household chores, he is not willing to do them. I am responsible for paying the bills and he wants nothing to do with helping or seeing where all our money goes. He knows what his take home pay is and then proceeds to spend it on what he feels is priority. The only time he shows concern is when I have to tell him that we only have $31 left in our account until the next payday. I had considered divorcing him, but I need the insurance. I am only 53 years old and can't find a job that will work around my health problems muchless cover the expense of my medication. My children, my mother, sisters, friends and other relatives think he is a real jerk, but no one wants to tell him what  (Dr. Phil) told the woman on today's show. Two years ago, I tried to commit suicide and ended up hospitalized because I was having a difficult time with his constant beratement, and my feelings of being such a burden. His most recent comment was he couldn't believe that a 53 year old woman couldn't support herself. This was in response to my asking for emotional support from him. When (Dr. Phil) was on the Oprah show, I wasn't too thrilled with his approach. But, for the past six months, I have a chance to catch his show and have been impressed with some of the advice he has given. I still struggle every day with depression, despite being on medication. My husband misses the person I once was, but so do I. I would like nothing better than to have my old self back or being able to utilize my college education and creative talents. I doubt he'd be interested in my story and I probably would never be able to afford to go to his show, but it sure feels good to not only hear I am not the only spouse going through this type of situation, but it feels good to get this off my chest. A converted fan, Jo Ellen

  

 

 
October 24, 2005, 5:54 pm PDT

I totally understand

Quote From: martin1975

I recently had surgery and had a family of 6. My wife and I decided that she would go to work , which required some school class & I would enroll to college on-line. The day she passed her State boards to sell insurance for AFLAC she left with our son. Leaving 2 daughters and a step daughter behind. Not to mention a husband/father without a source of income. I never even had a chance to say goodbye to my step-son. She just left, Her family calls me asking where she has gone. It has been almost 2 months with no word. I am trying to find work with no luck so far. God i need someone to talk too. Please can anyone help
Although, my husband hasn't left, he has made my life a living hell reminding constantly that I am not living up to my contributing my fair share to the household finances. He might as well have left me because he will leave me home to fend for myself while he is out pursuing his interests with his friends. And, he has no qualms about it. I am lucky in the fact that my kids have grown and are out on their own, but I don't get a lot of help out of them either. If you want to read my story, I posted the details earlier on this list. I was totally surprised to see that someone else was going through what I was going through. I thought my situation was unique. My friends and family know how he is and are willing to label him as a jerk, but most of the time, his family or friends have no idea or turn a blind eye to how uncompassionate he is. I sympathize with your situation and will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. J
 
October 24, 2005, 8:12 pm PDT

uncompassionate spouses

Quote From: 1lornalee

  I could call Mary evil incarnate had I not lived in her shoes for many years.  As Dr Phil has said, anger and angry statements are just symptoms of deeper issues. 

   It doesn't matter what the actual crisis or need:  liver transplant, cancer treatment, 2 more college degrees w/ an apartment, new car, gym membership to relieve stress...etc. 

   And it isn't that a wife is unwilling to give 250% to get to a successful conclusion.  Unless a marriage is already in deep trouble, it's just human nature to give all you have to someone you love. 

   The issue is the relationship once the issue is resolved.  To be treated with benign indifference, as if you weren't right down in the trenches digging every minute, can just destroy the soul.  It is very lonely and demeaning to think you're value is no more than what you can provide - financially, emotionally, spiritually.    

    Parents expect to expand monumental amounts of all resources to raise and educate healthy children.  Those kids will grow up and go off to create their own lives.  However, a healthy marriage requires the partners to continually fill each other's needs.  It's never a one-way street.  Roger appears healthy enough to engage in some sort of computer-based, home office work to offset the financial burden.  Beyond that there are many free/cheap things that can be done to make Mary feel more like a valued partner  than a machine.  Everybody has to eat, so make dinner.  Doing chores such as laundry or emptying the dishwasher are not physically demanding, but show that Roger not only loves Mary but understands that the additional demands are physically and emotionally stressful.  And...very few women can resist kind words and  a back massage - mmmm. 

    On the face of it, Mary's statements do seem severe - but dig deeper.  Their home is modest, so obviously Mary didn't nab Roger for his money.  The underlying problems are the need for emotional suppport and some indication that Roger intends to step back up to the plate to whatever extent he can. -  Roger isn't callous.  But as Dr Phil has pointed out many times, men tend to need to be told directly what is needed.  Must be a chromosomal abnormality.....  

     

I can commiserate with Roger. In my situation, I had the brain tumor and had to have surgery, not once but twice, and then five years later, had to undergo a six week course of daily radiation. After my first surgery, my husband was a real jerk. You would have thought he was a spoiled child who was unhappy because things (his life)didn't go his way. Eight months later, when I found out I need another surgery, I told him that I thought it was God's way of giving him a second chance to what was right and live up to our wedding vows; in sickness & health and for better or worse. He didn't buy that either and became even more obstinate. In fact, he almost lost his job because he started acting out in bizarre and unorthodox ways. He is a truck driver and he decided to tie a dead racoon to his truck and drive around with it. When people would ask about it, he would tell them that it was his pet he named 'sleepy' because he never woke-up. I totally understood that he was having a bad time as was I. I tried getting him to go to counseling, which he wouldn't continue after one visit. He always had an excuse. His favorite was because of his job. If he wasn't driving, he couldn't make money. And, most places wouldn't take appointment on weekends when he was assessable. Or it cost money which we already had too many medical bills to pay. He was not a church going person, so seeing a priest wouldn't work. His family wasn't too eager to talk to him because he could get so obnoxious and belligerent. And, his drinking buddies didn't feel the need to lend him an ear. I did get him to our family phyiscan, who prescribed an anti-depressant, but he wouldn't continue prescribinf them because of his drinking. Although, I can understand how my husband feelings. I know I probably wouldn't enjoy it if the position was reversed. But, I do have trouble with the way he copes with it, especially when he proudly admits that material things are important to him and he isn't going to change whether I am sick or not. I'd kick him to the curb if I was well enough to even get a job that I could afford to pay for rent, food & living expenses on top of the expensive medication and continued treatment I require for the rest of my life. Just my 2 cents. J
 
October 24, 2005, 8:25 pm PDT

Thank-you for your kind words.

Quote From: kimberlyrm

Jo Ellen, 

       I just had to take a minute to let you know that my heart goes out to you. Myself I am very ill and have been my whole life. I stayed with my husband for the same reasons I hear you are staying. For me I am now divorced, yes I am broke but the truth is I have a peace in my life and a happiness I never knew existed . Being sick is hard enough  you can do bad by yourself you don't need help! My doctors gave me two years to live in 1982 God brought me here to 2005, if I could change anything it would be the years I gave to a man who didn't love me in the way I deserve to be loved. I am not saying that being broke is easy ( I must live on diability, my meds are about $4,000 every month and that is when I am healthy) because it's not but the peace and happiness I now have I would nevergive up now that I know how it feels to not be deppressed all the time!  I have never posted anything in my life today that wife so upset me I registered and posted , your post broke my heart so I had to write to you too.  Know that you are in my prayers, God Bless, Kimberlyrm 

I registered today, too, because I was really floored that there were other unsympathetic spouses out there. I have gone to counseling myself, but I am hard pressed to find one that can deal with the depression that comes with a chronic condition. It has altered my life in so many ways. It is a lot like grieving the loss of someone close to you, except its me. I guess you can't get any closer. {GRIN} 

Again, thanks. J 

 
October 24, 2005, 9:16 pm PDT

Skipping out on a sick spouse

Quote From: john53219

MESSAGE TO DR PHIL, regarding a guest on today’s “do you think this is normal” show: 

After being a devoted, and nurturing husband for 30 years, planning all of our finances around my wife, and OUR retirement. After staying home, as a complete "househusband", who was totally involved raising two very healthy, and successful, loving children, at the same time totally involved in the community; AND After my health has degenerated dramatically - I may just have a short time to live. My wife, who had never given herself to me emotionally...tells me she never loved me and our marriage must end....I agree; I've HAD IT! Have no source of income, no security in my life....My wife skips cheerfully off like a junior high schooler, who just broke up with a boyfriend, saying, "Well, people get divorced all of the time...and they just get over it!" I wasn't worth anything to her anymore...certainly not even the few dollars to restore my life after three fatal heart attacks....with my life now shattered...just how do I "start over" ??? 

My heart goes out to you and your situation. Mine is the opposite. I am the one that had the audacity to have a brain tumor and burden my husband with the chore of supporting us on just his income. The sad part is the our judicial system with their no fault divorces allows spouses to shirk their responsibilities and easily skip out on an ailing partner when the going gets rough. Trying to recover from my two surgeries and radiation, I don't have enough work credits to get disability. I haven't been able to find employment that will work around my medical problems or even one with benefits to help pay for my continued medical care and medication. It is hard feeling like you are stuck between a rock and a hard place. It is even more difficult being the brunt of my husband's inability to cope maturely with the situation God has given us. It really is a sad state of affair when medical costs continue to rise and place people, through no fault of their own, in the poor house. I am not looking forward to my golden years when I will be faced with the added costs of aging. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. J
 
October 25, 2005, 10:32 pm PDT

Sympathizing/Overwhleming healthcare costs

Quote From: susielewes

     I hear what you say about how selfish this wife is/was, and I have to speak up for her! I honestly did not think she didn't want her husband because of the medical bills, but she loves him, and couldn't express it differently at the time. My husband and I are in the same situation! My husband first had prostate cancer, then two brain tumors, and now the doctor thinks he had a silent heart attack, which will require further testing tomorrow. Our medical bills that are not covered by insurance are overwhelming, and we pay our health insurance premium of almost $1500.oo a MONTH out of our income, because we are self-employed. No, we are not wealthy, have no employees, do no splurging on ANYTHING. ... and live in a trailer. We cannot get any other health insurance because we are a risk. Some of our prescriptions we pay $45 a month, some $10, some $20 and others, the whole thing! I feel this wife's frustration! Where is the help when we need it? I never have begrudged anyone, anything, and think it is wonderful that the people who have suffered through these natural disasters have had needed help, and I know it could not be easy at all for them! My problem is, how do WE get the needed help when we are having a crisis because of health concerns and health insurance premiums? It is heartbreaking and depressing when you work so very hard and have very little "play" time, just to pay those bills. I would never leave my husband because of it, and he has been truly amazing through all of this! Even while he went through the treatments, and the surgery, he knew we would be without income, so he tried to work 3 hours off and on, over almost a two year period, then would come home and sleep. It sounds funny to say now, but I couldn't really get a "job" because when he was home, I was caring for him, and when he was able to work, I did the paperwork, and went out on the construction site to help, and I still do. There really isn't much more I can do to better our situation, but all of you who are degrading this wife that was on the show, don't do it unless you walk in her shoes. I can sympathize with her 100%!!

Sympathizing and condoning her behavior is two different things. While I can sympathize how Mary or my husband may feel, I can't condone how they chose to express their anger, resentment or any other mixed bags of emotions they are feeling. In Mary's case, there may be some hope. Her and her husband are only a few months into their ordeal. Maybe Mary will chose to get therapy to address her feelings so she can express them in a more appropriate fashion. Hopefully, if the therapist is good, he or she can help Mary separate her feelings about her husband's illness and her feelings about her husband as a person. In my case, my husband isn't interested in getting help and we have been going through this for 10 years now. He is unwilling to acknowledge that his behavior isn't making the situation better nor is it conducive to helping me heal. I feel really bad for my husband (43) because he is stuck and wallowing in his immaturity. Both Mary and my husband are adults. There comes a time when one has to grow-up and realize that as John Lennon once said: Life happens when you have other plans. In regards to the overwhelming costs of health-care, it is truly a sad state of dis-repair. Yet, no one is truly interested in fixing the problem. As with anything, our government officials whether Democratic or Republican, would rather filibuster something to death or pick each other's plans a part and never get down to actually addressing the problem. And, who should they go after first? The doctors, clinics, hospitals, insurance companies, HMO's or the pharmaceuticals??? My feelings are pharmaceutical companies are worse than the local drug dealer on the street. The system is set-up so they can rip us off legally. They spend more money on advertising to the public and wining & dining the doctors in order to peddle their pills. They have to turn a profit in order to make their investors happy. The insurance companies are, also, out to make a buck, otherwise they wouldn't be in business. They deliberately make their policies so complicated that the individual who is sick can't make heads or tails out of what to do. You call in to get a pre-authorization or pre-certification and the first and last thing they say is they still don't guarantee payment. I understand there are people out there that try to take advantage of the system, but when you are faced with brain surgery or a transplant, what are you supposed to do? In my situation, I was told it was imperative I have the operation as soon as possible. I didn't have time to shop a around for a neuro-surgeon. The rich can afford the no-hassle policies. We can barely afford our premiums. Our deductible is ridiculously high and goes up, sometimes has doubled from one year to the next. Then we have the co-pays, the co-insurance and out-of pocket expenses. My first surgery was done out of network, so we paid more. I had one doctor refer to me as 'insurance poor'. That made me feel well. Then, I get real anger every time I go in for my after care because both hospitals closest to me are constantly remodeling or adding on. Ten years ago, my first MRI cost $1000. My latest one cost $2500. And, they used the same machine as the first one. It makes no sense. Right now I am of the mind set that if (& I am still young enough) if I get breast cancer or something equally bad, I am going to refuse treatment because not only do I not want to see my husband in the poor house, but I am tired of lining someone else's pocket. My thought is after I die and I get reincarnated, I am coming back to reform our health-care system. I guess I will get off my soap box now. Take care and stay healthy. J 

 
November 9, 2005, 8:16 pm PST

Excellently said

Quote From: wildwood

  Nothing was said about anyone being subordinate, in order to conduct a marriage or to  raise a family by biblical principals. I am not a holy roller, but I do see that a workable plan of PARTNERSHIP was laid out according to that which is in the bible. Please don't put your own words into what wasn't said. One cannot assume that a man assumming "leadership" means that he is ABOVE the woman or exeempt to his part of the partnership (on the home front or anywhere)  or that his doing so makes her a subordinate.  You and your husband may have an ideal partnership that works for you and him. Many do not, and  quite a few married people falsely think making money is the ONLY objective or equalizer of marriage. Many men use this as the power over the woman or to discount her input, choices or role in the marriage as the stay at home mom supporting his goals or children.  This doesn't make the woman  less of the partnership or inferior.  

   I see many  posters making the  assumptions/judgements  that she is somehow inferior in the marriage based on the fact that she has no income of her own.  I suspect  that is why Dr. Phil did not want her getting a job at this point, that only encourages the "wrong" idea that money is what gives "partners"  equal power in the relationship.  

   Where was Micheal's end of the childrearing partnership?  What kind of partner, uses his working all the time excuses neglect everything else or  to cover/justify  his cheating? His providing funds for his family isn't his only responsibility of the "partnership", the marriage or the parenting.  He who makes the money doesn't rule, and I feel sorry that so many women have felt that they MUST earn an income to be "equal" when all they have done is become as money/self oriented as some men.  

    We are born "equal" or a marriage makes us "equal" by the partnership.  That doesnt mean that both must bring in an income to be and to treat each other as equals. It is not intended to be a parent child thing based on who makes the money. True she is now acting childish and irresponsible.......but isn't he hiding behind his earnings to be just as childish and irresponsible to the marriage/family? 

    I am talking about "interpetations", and choices here.  You have an imbalance in his earning power to hers, perhaps he became an MD due to her support on the homefront? Maybe she took on all the OTHER tasks of the marriage and family while he studied, interned, and then worked long hours to support HIS goals for them, and she was repayed by his infidelities and ego trip workalcoholism? One he arrived he "forgot" the partnership entirely. This is only spectulation, but highly predicitible and possible. Guess we will need to see more to unravel how it got where it is now.  

   Think taxes, child care, the long hours he had to put into his job,  and other things and it might not have been wise (in the early years or in the beginning of this marriage,  for her to work, and her working or not  shouldn't be a criteria for her "equality") . Believe me raising children and keep up a home without the benefit of a husbands help 24/7  is work.  Ask any military wife or police wife or someone who has a husband that travels etc. There are many women out there that "do it all" except working outside the home and they highly resent being treated as "inferior" immature or childish based solely on whether of not they get a paycheck for their contributions to the partnership. 

 Isn't that rather sexist?  

      A woman can only be equal if she earns money equal to her husband? Does the power in the marriage come from money only? Is who makes the most money the "equalizer"?  I find this VERY sad and clearly sexists.  

     I am well aware that a woman can be goal oriented and capable of working and making money. COUGH, COUGH. I totally disagree with making money being the only criteria for power/control equality in a marriage. In reality MONEY should have nothing to do with  who is equal to whom. She has taken his "power over her money stick" and whopped him with it. It may have been the only way to get through to him, I don't think the money is all she wants out of her marriage, no matter how it looks NOW.  

      I think we will see it is " money is the equalizer in marriage"  faulty thinking that is at the ROOT of this couples problems. She feels rejected and powerless because he makes that the rules they live by. He makes money and all else is "excused" in his pursuit of the POWER in the relationship he thinks the money was going to give him. She takes some of the POWER away from him by foolishly spending. Clearly both have dysfunctional thinking, brought on by money becoming the GOD in the marriage and the only driving force.  

     Maybe some would never fall in the common and obvious trap of the power struggle using money as leverage, but many do, and this is a COMMON problem in many marriages. The amounts spent seem unbelievable to many of us, but some marriage have similiar money/power struggles, just with less money involved.  

   Would you have married a man that said I am going to earn the money PERIOD!!!!! Where is the partnership in that? Where was his partnership with his wife in the day to day teaching  of their children, companionship with his wife (not his mistress cause he felt sorry for himself and needed an ego feed) , and sharing of their lives and children?  Where is the partnership in spending their money together? Where is he giving any TIME to the partnership? It is a chicken/egg first problem that I have faith that Dr. Phil will unravel. 

   Remember we are seeing what it has become, not what occurred in what order  for it to get there. I don't think he is any more mature than her, and if  "having a degree and a job" makes someone mature it's news to me. REAL maturity is not putting your own needs or ego first. Real maturity is not using your work to avoid OTHER responsibilities. Real maturity isn't cheating or overworking or over spending instead of talking and fixing problems. 

      Perhaps DUE to his long hours she had no options but to stay with their children, at least when they were small. Was her end of the deal to become as callous as he, and dump her kids and become a workalcoholic like him? Should she let her children be alone, so that she can have a job? To each his own. Some women feel their end of the partnership differently. I don't see a partnership at work if strangers are raising children, while both parents go off to "succeede"  or feed their own needs and egos at their jobs in the pursuit of money. If necessary for survival it's one thing  and some chose this or have no choices here, others do not have to work for survival and it is always a mistake to make money the GOD or the  the ruling or controlling "equalizer" in a marriage.  

The dynamics going on between this couple is more than what we saw on TV. And, I was really disappointed that Dr. Phil didn't address the underlying problems that lead up to this situation. I didn't agree with Dr. Phil when he said Bridget didn't have an addiction. She is no different using shopping to dull the pain than her husband was when he used drugs, drank or had a mistress. The husband even though he admitted he was a terrible father and husband should not be let off the hook for his role in how things have turn out. I hope they both have the courage to step up to the plate and take responsibility for their own actions.
 
November 9, 2005, 8:23 pm PST

My sediments exactly!

Quote From: artemis21

You have one of the most intelligent posts I have seen here in a LONG TIME. This is much more meaningful than the posts of advertising to marry him when they don't even know the first thing about his personality or character. 

  

I grew up in an upper-middle/upper class environment with lawyers, doctors, business owners and their kids. This problem is NOT unique to this couple and is VERY ubiquitious. I would even go as far to say that this is the norm in wealthy suburbia. Many of the well off husbands over work themselves and are never there emotionally or mentally for the kids and the wives are out racking up credit cards. I have known doctors with pregnant teen and even pre teen daughters and a ton of CEOs who have kids that are abusing hard drugs, like heroin. Many of the adults are alcoholics and abusing perscription pain killers like oxycotin and ativan as well as the illegal stuff like coke and heroin. My parents are not like most other upper middle class people and I am glad that they raised me different. 

  

People see well manicured lawns and nice cars and women and children smiling wearing nice clothes. They don't see the screaming that goes on behind closed doors, or the drug use, or the manipulation. I remember one time in primary school, when my mom dropped me off another mom talking to her girlfriends saying "Now he can't afford to divorce me!" right in front of the children. 

  

A lot of people are shocked by Michael and Bridgette. I am not shocked at all, having witnessed these types of situations and worse in well off homes. A lot of people, especially women, are seeing Michael as the victim and saying that they would love to marry him when they don't know the beginning of the dynamics of such a volatile quagmire.  

  

Michael is trying to portray himself as the victim of Bridgette's scheming. He is a smart man and was a fully consenting adult when he married her and knows exactly what he is doing. He could have closed the credit cards and the checking accounts but he does not and just has a "poor me" attitude. I can't feel sorry for him and neither would I want to be involved with such a man. 

  

He's not the victim he tried to portray himself as. And, I am surprised Dr. Phil didn't call him on it. I was very disappointed.
 
November 10, 2005, 8:09 pm PST

Convenience??

Quote From: college123

I have been dating my boyfriend for 4 years and we are currently both in college.  We attend seperate schools which are 7 hours apart.  Therefore we dont see eachother all that much.  When we are home and physically togehter thigns are wonderful.  But when we are away at school he lies, cheats, and decieves me.  It has gotten to the point where I just am tired of questioning him and alwasy feeling like hes up to somehting.  Last year was his first year away and since we are so young (21) and neither of us is ready to be 100% seroius it was left that the relationship would be open but we werent supposed to get consistent with anyone else and if we did we were supposed to break it off with one another.  Needless to say he started seeing someone behind my back for over 5 months.  I found out about her from her and then he admitted everything.  He then ended things wiht her in hopes that we would work things out.  He has made it clear to her that she is more for convienience and I am the one he is in love with but she is so insecure she will take whatever she can get wtih him.  This happened 2 or 3 times.  We always get back together and then its stressful becuase there is no trust and then I find out he is lying again. This time he says really he is changed and he would never wawnt to hurt me again.  

He makes me feel like I am the center of his world.  He alwasy tells me how much he loves me and we plan a future together.  But I dont want a future with a liar and Im so young I dont want to waste time. I just dont knwo if this is something that he will grow out of because he is immature or if this is one of those cases where I sound like an abused vicitim making excuses.   

I am sorry 'honey', but truth be told, She is not the one who is convenient. You are the One who is convenient to him. He knows that he can do what he wants when you are not around, and it's convenient for him that you are still there waiting for him despite what he is doing. Break him loose; break yourself loose. College is a time for one to find out who they really are, a transition period, not only by getting an academic education, but by gaining life experiences through meeting a variety of people and participating in experiences you'll never again get to experience before entering the real world. Once you both are done with college and want to meet up again, you'll both be better prepared to know what it is you really want. My guess is you will have wised up a lot and not feel you short changed yourself of opportunities by keeping yourself tied to a guy that is still trying to work through his own immaturity. Best of wishes,
 
November 10, 2005, 8:46 pm PST

Irony is a bitch...

Quote From: dpech66

I have a humorous and ironic tale about infidelity! 

  

Years ago when I was married to my first husband he cheated on me.  I had gone to a friend's dinner party and our roommate had a huge party.  I found the evidence (used condom) on the floor next to our bed.  At first he said the guys were just playing around blowing up the condoms (I didn't get close enough to it to examine it), but then when we were lying in bed he told me he had slept with someone in our bed during the party.  I became so livid I made him throw the bed away and buy me a new one.  He told me details about the encounter to try and make me feel better, things in extreme detail about her sexual skills that put her in a very bad light.  So the next day I went in to work and a dozen red roses showed up.  A lady I worked with asked what they were for.  I told her the whole story, going into the extreme detail about the sexual encounter as my husband had told it, how this girl wasn't very skilled and it was the worst sex of his life, etc etc. 

  

I kept asking him who it was (I really did want to know), but he wouldn't tell me. 

  

Several months later while we were living in a different place, he told me who it was.  Come to find out it was that coworker of mine who I had spilled the beans to, without realizing that she was the one I was talking about.  I started laughing really really hard.  He asked me what was so funny.  I told him, "Hey, remember the day after that party where you cheated on me?  Well, when I went to work the next day I told S all about the gory details!"  By this time I'm laughing so hard...but my husband was not so amused.  He was completely embarrassed and mortified. 

  

In short, I got my *revenge* without even realizing it!  

  

This was the first but not the last time he did this to me.  I'm not sure why people want to be married to someone they are planning on cheating on anyway (stability, I suppose).  If you want to play the field, be single for cripes sake! 

Your post was so funny, I about peed my pants. I am envisioning your co-workers face everytime she had to work with you. 

  

I loved it!!! 

 

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