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December 15, 2005, 1:46 pm PST

more than a survivor

Hello. I am a 33 year old wife and mother of one vivacious 3 year old. I was first molested at the age of 9 or 10. I was again molested at the age of 14 and 17. These were by 3 different men. Unrelated to me or each other. They were friends of my family, friends of mine, friends of a friend. I surpressed any memories of the first two events until I was 18. I was on a date with my boyfriend ( who is now my husband) and had a flashback ( like a movie in my head) to what had happened to me. I of course freaked out and freaked out my boyfriend. All of it came spilling out when he asked me what was wrong. I had luckily found the right person to dump on because he was nothing but supportive and compassionate. 

  

I have been in counseling and worked through most of my emotions and trama. I still have bouts of anger and have worked hard to find good outlets for it and how to cope with fits of rage inside. My husband has been with me now for 15 years. He's a good one. Despite the fact that sometimes these things affect our intimacy. 

  

I have discussed all of my fears for my daughter with him, including that he might one day betray us. I have chosen to trust him because he has shown no validity to my fears. In fact, he is careful to encourage my trust in every way. 

  

Anyway, I felt pulled to tell all of you that there is a light at the end of this very dark tunnel. That there can be a break in this legacy of abuse. That I am not perfect but have become more than a survivor of abuse. That my relations with my family are not perfect. That when I told them that some were supportive and some were denying and angry. Even afraid. But that I have become better than just survivor. I have chosen what I want to become and I refuse to let abuse define who I am. That I have chosen to make it another lesson to learn in life. That I do not and cannot belittle the impact of what happened to me and what is and has happened to many of us but we can do more than survive. We can live. 

  

 
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December 26, 2005, 4:16 am PST

Mother Betrayal

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How do you deal with being rejected by your family when you were the one who was hurt, was wronged? Has anyone here ever had to deal with thier mother either choosing to do nothing or blaming you for this kind of abuse?
Yes...I did...It's funny because as a child of 9 or 10 I don't remember ever even thinking of telling my parents as a option. I never thought of telling anyone. My dad was in the ministry and I was more concerned of how it would make him look than my own needs. It was like I already knew what the reaction would be so I dealt with it the best I could. I pushed it aside. The memories, the emotions everything. I never did tell my mom...my sister did. I was horrified to know she found out and I didn't even want to discuss it with her. These were her words to me ( I was in my late 20s) "What HAPPENED to you?" I was shocked she knew. I told her. "Well, he was just messing with you. When I was in high school I went on a date where a boy couldn't keep his hands off me. It's happens to everyone." "Mom, I was 10!" "You don't tell everything you know (my name)!" I had given my testimony my church. She was afraid someone in my church (states away from them) would know Daddy. Mind you, I was still mindful of his reputation...still protecting HIM! I was married so my last name is different. I never told anyone my maiden name, where I grew up, the church name of where this occured (Yes. It occured at CHURCH!), or any information that would lead anyone to anyone else but me. I felt that since the sicko is dead, it didn't need to be said.  Anyway it told my Mom that I didn't mean to hurt her or anyone else. This was my story and I did what I had to do. Many people came forward that day. One woman talked to me about the abuse she suffered at the hands of her own mother. It was worth it. All my Mom could say was "Don't tell your father. It would KILL him!" And she is right. It would. I was contemplating it but decided against it after talking to her. I love my Mom and Dad and even after her betrayal, I decided I could go on and heal without him having to know. She also said she would never be able to step foot in my church. That hurt me because my faith is very important to me. And my parents sharing in that growth is important to me. Like any little girl I want them to be proud of me and who they have helped me become. I am so proud of them. It was hard to see my Mom as human. I always thought of her as being larger than life and wanted nothing more than to be just like her. We are very close. But I have since realized that for my Mom, that was how SHE HAD to deal with it. The pain of realizing she had allowed this man to hurt me was too much. The funny thing is that I don't blame her for the abuse. She was a victim too. He groomed her just like he did me. But I do hold her responsible for her actions after she found out. Looking back at that time in my life I think she knew something was up. She had to have. She may have written it off as my struggles with entering adolescence but she knew. Deep down she knew. I have forgiven her for that however. Not because she deserves it but because for my own peace I wanted to. She is too important to me. I love her too much to let her go. So we don't discuss it. It may never come up again. I have chosen not to be bitter or angry. I will never bring it up to her because that would be a slap in the face to her. I have chosen to love her and forgive. It was the hardest thing I ever went through. Even harder than the abuse. I hope you can find some peace to. I am here to help it I can....Just let me know....
 
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December 26, 2005, 4:30 am PST

Accountability

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Have any of you ever confronted your abuser about the sexual abuse? If so, how was it handled? This opportunity has recently come up for me and I want to take advantage of it. But what does one actually say? I just want to truly resolve this part of my life so that I can move on. Any advice?

No. He died before I could. I confronted him in my mind. Almost a prayer to a dead spirit. Interesting that I said his spirit was dead. It has to be I believe to do this to a child. You have to die spiritually first I think.  

I would say that you handle it as maturely as you can. Call them, arrange a meeting in a place where YOU feel safe.... Take someone with you if you need to. Someone you totally trust and have discussed this with. Someone you feel will agree to support you unconditionally. Then tell them not just what you remember but what THEY did. Give them ownership of their actions. Keep throwing the ball back into their court. Not in an out of control way but as an adult.  Are you an adult? No matter be mature. But allow yourself to get angry and let those feelings show. They need to SEE how they hurt you. Don't let them deny it. Keep it in their face and let them know what you want from them. Acknowledgement? Validity? Respect? An apology? Honesty? You may not get those things. You MUST be prepared for that! Practice with yourself or someone first. Try to imagine how you think it will go. What will they say? What will you say? Add worse case scenarios. What is the worst thing that could happen? What would hurt the most? How will you handle that? Make your intentions clear. You are confronting him for YOUR needs not HIS!  Right? This is about YOU! Not protecting him! Don't tell him anything you don't want to. Don't let him guilt you or intimidate you. Imagine success. How will you feel after? What do you want to accomplish for yourself in doing this? Is it really what you want to do? Are you ready? Be strong! If no one else is...I AM here for you! I will be praying for you! 

 
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December 26, 2005, 4:35 am PST

What to do to empower yourself

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Didn't mean to upset anyone.  Please forgive me if in anyway I have offended or upset any of you. I think grieving the family that you would like to have had really hits the nail on the head. It is hard to be around toxic people and I seem to catch it from all sides. To be fair my mother does try I guess in her own way but she will never discuss this or come to terms with any of this stuff.  As far as what the inlaws think... I believe that beyond being judged as worthless, rejected without cause... I have grieved that I will not have that loving family relationship I had longed for. It is time to move on and put that away. Maby my expectations of family are not realistic. Maby I'll revamp that. So for now I hold tight to what I do have. I am grateful for loving children and the grace of God. When you have been kicked around for some reason it does seem to draw people who lash out abuse and hurt. If there is a bully in the crowd they will find you everytime But you know what ? I 've had enough of it and I am looking for ways to find empowerment. Dr Phil has said that you teach people how to treat you and if  you allow such treatment it is if you silently agree? ( at least that is what I think he means) I have been thinking this over and tetting it sink in. This means that I have the power to change things. This means I can find a way. I don't just have to sit here and take it. Today I'll be visiting at the MN laws home and I dread it. I know I'll get picked apart. I will use this tactic to see if it works. I'll have her clarify questionable  comment s and put it back on her in  a non threatening manner. This will do 2 things. It will clarify for me if she means what I think or if I'm being defensive--clear communication. This will make her own what she says.  I will glue myself to  my hubby because she will not attack in front of him but if she does try , we'll see how this pans out. If all else fails. We leave. I'm not looking for a show down.  What have ya'll done to build yoursleves up? What has worked or not worked why? What are some tactics you use to deal w people you cannot disassociate from and have to deal with? Due to the severe abuse I have endured, I have not learned how to deal with so many things, rejection being the hardest.  How do you deal with yourself when you have a tough day or see something that triggers a memory you'd rather forget? 

Pray. You believe in God? Pray! He is always listening and He is always on YOUR side! Pray!
"Ask and you will receive, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened....." Pray! I will be praying for you too!
 
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December 26, 2005, 4:50 am PST

Family betrayal

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 This is hard to do when you live in a small town where everyone knows everyone. I especially hate it when people ask "sooo, 'How is your famil"? or "Do you have famly in the area"? All my life I have wanted to move away from here and start over as if they never existed but I have never had the self confindence to do it. Now I regret it more than ever. My oldest dauther lives with my mother to help with her bills etc. We own a buisnesss and rent from guess who , my mother ( I never agreed to this but the hubby did it anyway regaurdless of how I felt because he belived it was the best choice for the family)  When I confided in mom she said that she suspected the issue but just couldn't belive it and then blamed me for it. I ended up being the famil scapegoat with a twist. I took on the adult who keeps the peace -takes care of everyting role while all the while being blamed for everything that goes wrong. I rember Grandma taking me to a dr when i was about 4 maby 5 yrs old and him examining my privates. My mother was in the room. The pst from severe emotional and physical abuse has been hard to deal with. I have no insurance. couceling and medication do not help. I had to rely on county resources which are poor quality. What I want most is to put this all behind me and move on. In spite of everything I do not hate my mother but I am broken and have no where to turn. I am not accepted by hubby's family (they called me white trash)  My brother's family treats me horribly, as if they are ashamed that I exist. I wonder if he was abused also?
Yes. Family can be cruel sometimes. They don't like you rocking the boat. YOU ARE NOT TRASH! Remember you are what you say you are. What you want to be...Write down all your good qualities. Have your husband help you. What does he love about you? Screw the in-laws. Unfortuntely we often don't pick them anymore than we pick our own family but well, now they are your family too. Read in Ruth how she treated her in-laws (specifically her mother-in-law). How did she treat them? How did she feel about them? What can you pull from that story on how you should behave. NOT THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE ANY KIND OF ABUSE FROM ANYONE! But you can't control their actions. Sucks but its true. Do what you have to to survive? Find ways to find peace. NOT KEEP PEACE! FIND PEACE! for yourself. Often finding peace does not mean keeping peace. Did Jesus and his followers always keep the peace? NO WAY! They often stirred things up. Be right! And know you are doing what is right! Stand up for yourself. If you don't who will? Ever try to protect something that didn't want to be protected. Can't do it can you? Neither can your husband protect you if you don't think you are worth protecting....You are worth it....I think so....I can see power in you. Through your words. Your spirit is not dead or defeated. IT IS ALIVE! Keep fighting! You can do it! I did! YOU CAN! YOU CAN DO THIS! Be strong in the Lord! Rejoice in your accomplishments! Look how amazing you are! Look how far you have come! Look at what you could have been had you given up! Rememeber Romans 8:37-39...My life verses. Remember "All things work for good for those who love God and are called according to his purpose.." Right? What's your purpose? What is He calling you to do? What is He trying to teach you? What does He want you to see through all of this? Remember He wants you strong in Him. You are stronger than you think! Keep on keeping on! There is a song "When I think I'm going under, part the waters Lord! When I feel the waves around me, calm the sea! When I cry for help, oh hear me Lord, and hold out your hand! Touch my life still the raging storm in me...." Part the waters girl...part the waters.....
 
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December 27, 2005, 3:37 pm PST

new beginnings

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 I dreaded Christmas at the inlaws and have been praying through this whole thing. Would you believe I actually recieved an unsolicited apology? That they want to make amends with me????I nearly fainted! It was down right scary! Treated me like a person! I still don't quite trust them but I am willing to forgive and begin again with my inlaws. I am worried that this may just be efffects from a new medication she is taking and that she does not mean what she says. Even offred to take me to a spa--one of those places that massage you, give you a facial, do your hair and nails????

Well, you gotta start somewhere...you are vindicated in not trusting them...they haven't given you a reason too have they?....but to learn to trust again is what has been robbed of you....you can do it but it will take a lot of courage and reassurance....and you will have to learn to forgive and give the benefit of the doubt...and know that you may be betrayed again.....it sucks doesn't it...I had to do the same thing...but it was worth it for my kids and my husband and our relationship....I had to rely on God to become bigger than myself....I pray all the time.....what it does is change your outlook and that is what helps create peace....my husband has to be very honest with me and I have to feel safe to be honest with him, no matter how much it hurts....honesty is the most important thing to me....I hate secrets....but I had to learn to draw the line with my husband and HE talks to his family...not me....not us....it's his family and he has to deal with them....you will come out the bad guy everytime...talk through him as much as possible...get yourselves on the same page....communicate A LOT!.....remember he is still her little boy no matter how old he gets.....it's difficult but it can be done....how does your husband feel...? 

  

 
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December 27, 2005, 3:57 pm PST

journaling

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As for myself, I am thankful to know that I can talk with someone if needed. I am having some difficulty with bitterness. My mom know but she also worried about apearances. This is odd because my dad had a terrible reputation as a mean drunk . I believe it is so wonderful and strong of you to be able to forgive your mom. Did you journal? How were you able to keep moving forward to your healing? 
Oh definitely! I threw them away when I felt I had dealt with those sets of problems and had gone on. It was for me a way to release it and let go....wasn't necessary but I wanted to rid myself of it and let go....not keep digging up the hatchet ya know? I was so bitter and angry for so long....it affected everything...it was eating me up! All I wanted by becoming bitter was for someone to say it was right for me to be mad....I wanted the right to be upset...I never felt I had that.....My dad' s dad was a drunk...I am thankful I don't know that experience first hand but he told me horrible stories of abuse from his childhood at the hands of his father....and the shame....similar to how I felt about my abuse....but we have nothing to be ashamed of...do we? I read some books. Christian ones and non-christian...I went through counseling.....both individual and marriage....it affects your whole family....it's like a contagious disease...like a legacy that gets passed from generation to generation....I wrote a poem about that once....threw it away...wish I'd kept that one....well, it's written in heaven I guess....I reached out for help wherever I could and that was hard....I am so independent. I hate asking for help, but I learned that that is what life is all about isn't it? Helping others and leaning on each other....We lean on God too..He is the greatest. I prayed aloud and in my journal...I bought devotional books  and started a quiet time of 5 minutes or less to read the Bible, pray, and learn...It helps...I am so glad to be able to help or just be here....you are beginning to mean alot to me...don't mean to get mushy but I can understand you...you know? I want more than anything to help those who have gone through sexual abuse...it's like a calling...I'm drawn to it...weird...lol...I am so glad things are improving for you....there will be moments when the world will seem to come to a end...just never give up....keep fighting...you're a fighter aren't you?
 
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January 11, 2006, 5:42 am PST

YEAH!

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 I know what it is that I have been doing wrong. I have been trying to earn love and acceptance from people who are not willing to give it. It is easier for my mom to blame others and not face herself. because if she did then she would have to accept responisibility for her role in knowing and not protecting. I have been blaming myself, punishing myself by perpetuating all this negativity everywhere. I am always expecting the worst and getting it from people. The reason I have been so depressed lately is that I have to now face the loss of a parent's love that I never really had. OUCH! I have got to find self worth within me somehow. I have not wanted to face the facts. I have wanted to believe that somehow ....but it just ain't so. Thing is why would I want that so much? I have overcompensated by trying to be mommy perfect knowing it is not a realistic goal and not wanting to face it. LET FREEDOM RING!. I don't have to be perfect, or acceptable to others, to anyone else but me and God of course but that is a grace thing anyway. . Who needs Dr. P? I knew all the while.  I'm on my way to healing. Wish I could offer you a hug looking4help. I think I just got a clue. WOW!
That's great! Good for you! Praise God! Don't worry......there may still be hope for you and your Mom.....pray for her...maybe as she sees the changes in you she will change as well.....my Mom did......after I gave my testimony in church she swore she would never step foot in my church....but after some time and realizing that I didn't blame her for the abuse and that whatever responsibliity she had she was forgiven for, she did go to church with me....we don't always see eye to eye but she loves and respects me and I her............In the meantime, you are right to try to focus on your healing....no one can be responsible for your own happiness, you must choose to be happy......and you are..........there will be many other aha moments and I hope you and your daughter can reconcile....just remember that you owe her nothing more than being a mother......you can't be her God....I have a 3 year old myself and I have learned as much from her as she has from me if not more....I love her with all my heart and I want to be everything for her but know I can't.....all she wants from me is for me to be her mom.........that's it.........she loves without question and forgives without hesitation....because she is my daughter and I am her mom.......She loves me because I love her.......it's as simple as that.......and I don't think anything will ever change that.....your daughter is still your little girl and somewhere she is still the little girl who wants to be a big girl and have her Mommy and Daddy be so proud of her......you can't protect her from hurt...life is full of it.....you can only be there to support her in whatever way she needs it........for what its  worth I am proud of you and I hope that others will be inspired by your revelations.........and for the record....we need more Dr. Phil's and Robins in this world.......but I know what you meant.....  :-) Keep on keeping on.....I will continue to pray for you............"We are more than conquerors....." Romans 8:37-39
 
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January 13, 2006, 2:21 pm PST

Trust

Geez...I thought I was doing ok on this issue....but this is the hardest thing I have ever done.....I am so paranoid that I will be betrayed by someone I love and trust again that I second guess everyone....Does anyone else feel like your crazy? I put people under the gun basically....and then I don't believe what they say even when they say what I hoped they would....I am so afraid that I will miss something......That I will find out they are lying to me.....Not everyone....men mostly....I know why...I know what is happening but I have to be sure......I have to hear it and constantly get reassurance that everything is ok.......I am better but I fight so hard.....sometimes I just get tired....and I have to search for the peace. It is much easier that it was but still not so easy........Makes me tired.....
 
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January 19, 2006, 1:25 pm PST

Thank you

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I have the same trust issues. They nearly ruined my marriage but fortuanately for me my hubby is determined to stick with come what may till death do us part. Recently, he recommited his love to me. Persoanlly, I do not think this is crazy. I feel that it is our own natural tendancy to want to avoid pain, it is natural to want to protect yourself. Sometimes I get angry becaue I want to go back in time and defend the helpless little girl that I was and to put people in thier place, to fight to my own death if neccessary.  It is that feeling that I will not allow myself to ever be a victum again. It gets worse when at times I do still feel like a victum, even helpless like the little girl I was. I still cannont understand why this happened and honestly I am not sure I want to . I cannot relate to anyone who could do such a thing to a person then blame the victum. Worse how family can cover it up pretend it didn't happen and blame the victum.  I still have issues due to constant attacks from family members. The anger just rises up in me sometimes. But being able to recognize my issues allows me to plan , to think things through, to prepare myself to react in a way that will not leave me the victum or lash out to someone who does or does not dersrve it.  At least maby react in a non distructive way. One trigger is being attacked for my parenting skills by someone who is clueless. I have worked extensively with that. I know I am a darn good mother.  Maby things don't  always work out as I plan but I tell myself that that is ok because I am alive, growing and learning.  Since you reconginze the issue the good news is that you can work on it. You are not alone I constantly need reassurance and it wears me out as well as those around me. I am working on building self confidence and overcoming insecurity. You know it is not easy. Journaling has helped me. At frist writing things down was hard. I did not want anyone to find it and read it. Thankfully, there are online diaries like the ones here. They can be made private or public. You can delete or keep it to read and reflect on later. I have one word of caution. If you use Dr P's diary be sure and copy to paste after you edit and before you post your entlry because I have had problems with everything I type being deleted somehow. This way I can simply paste if I have a problem then post it.
Thanks...I of course feel better today but  some days...Whew! It is so helpful for someone to say I know how you feel...it's ok...and all of that stuff...lol...I do journal but not all the time....I do a quiet time everyday of reading my Bible with a devotional book as a guide and yes this thing has threatened my marriage too...not fair is it...as for family well I don't discuss it with them but my best friend and I were both molested by the same man so we do sometimes....it is hard still...I think talking here is easier...anyway thanks again! You are a real encourager.
 

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