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February 6, 2006, 6:25 pm PST

do you know these people?

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Michael you don't deserve this - you work your ass off day in and out - You need a women who can apprecieate your hardwork - As for your kids - try the school of hard knocks.

I'm sorry but my first instinct reading this screams someone trying or currently in a relationship with the husband.  Who are you, a mistress perhaps? 

 
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February 15, 2006, 6:01 am PST

Iced Tea any one? It's getting Hot in here

Three pages of comments already and the show has not even aired.  Here is the breakdown for you. 

Non-Pageant people 

1) You base your decisions on what pageants are like on the 10% of the pageant population that you see on TV. 

2) The 10% that normaly are on the shows are mothers and daughters that are extremly involved in pageants or made to look as if they only have focus on pageants. 

3) You see these pictures of little girls that have been photoshoped into little adults and think that is "creepy" 

4) You think that a pedifile is going to be lurking around every pageant waiting to ponce on little girls 

5) You believe that looks should not be something that children are judged on. 

  

Pageant people 

1) You feel that it is the same as a sport or other competition due to the "equipment", practice and professionalism needed to win and be a "name" 

2) You feel backed into a courner because of the negitive views of society about the activity of pageants 

3) You feel like it is not a fair representtation of what your children do because all that is ever shown on TV is the pageant part of the families life the pictures and videos of the child playing soccer, going to visit nursing homes going to school and doing thier personal best in the other aspects of thier lives are never seen. 

4) You think people that attack pageants are hypocritical because they are the same people sitting on the side lines at Little league screaming thier heads off at thier kids to make the goal or hit the ball. 

  

So that about cover it? 

I'm boy pageant mom, I'm also a soccer mom, a T-ball mom, a swimming class mom, a stage mom, a cuddle bugs mom, a homework time mom, a disabled veteran mom, a working mom, a theme park addict mom, a buys to many toys mom, A drop off at the bus stop mom, a dance class mom, a childrens theather mom, a volenteer service mom and so many other things but always a MOM. 

  

There are things that we do so much more in our lives than pageants or acting auditions BUT those will not be shown.  I don't like the negitive side of pageantry but when my son earns the right to go to a pageant or asks to give up a birthday present I was going to get him so he can have his birthday party at a pageant then I give in SOMETIMES. 

  

I don't do the make-up, hair, flippers or tans my Mom makes the clothes and I always make sure that I have tons of fees off so it is not something that is done without it being affordable.   The pictures from pageants and modeling and acting jobs are in the EXTRACURRICULAR scrapbook right along with soccer, t-ball and swimming .   

  

The interaction on this board is a lot of what I am in this between a rock and a hard place because of.  My child asked to do a pageant I ALLOWED it not forced not pushed ALLOWED him to do it .  My child didn't ask to do modeling and acting when he started he was 11 months old but he did show interest and enjoyed being photographed and apperently was learning what the other side of the camera does as well because when he got his first camera at 3 he was posing his friends and doing the "photgrapher stance" it was hillarious!  My child and I do talk now about modeling and acting jobs and I constantly tell him to tell me when he doesn't want to do something and he has and he didn't do it.  He also has NOT BEEN ALLOWED to do castings or bookings because of bad behavior or not finishing his work in school. 

  

I think the main thing is we all love our children non-pageant people and pageant people and we want them to be and do and learn and grow to thier full potential.  Some kids like the feeling they get getting on a stage or just standing the the middle of a group and being the one that is making people smile, laugh or just emote something.  These are kids that starve a part of their self if they don't get the opportunities to fill that desire and passion. 

  

Sports parents I am one of you too kid hated t-ball too much standing arond waiting his turn, loves soccer but I have more video of him danceing in the goal box and running after girls on the other team trying to give a high five than I do of him trying to actually play.  Kids like diffrent things and just because you don't get the excess that sometimes is a part of the extracurricular activity of pageants non-sports parents don't get spending $180 on sports equipment for a child that is going to play for 8 weeks. 

  

I am also a talks to dang much Mom ;-) 

 
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February 15, 2006, 9:08 am PST

Right back at ya

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GREAT post!!! :)
I think that was the most eloquently put your last post. 
 
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February 15, 2006, 11:09 am PST

Cheers!

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I enjoyed reading your post,  particularly because it sounds like you have read about both sides of the pageant issue, and have tried to understand the thoughts of those who think differently than you on this topic. Your remarks are not condescending or insulting to those who think differently than you do, nor do you make unkind personal comments to  them. You have given a detailed explanation of your family life which I found interesting and enjoyable to read.  I think that when things are presented in this sort of way, people are more likely to "listen" to what the other side has to say. It sounds like you have achieved a nice balance in your family life and that you give your son reasonable choices. No, I haven't changed my views on pageants, but yes, I did "hear" what you had to say. So even though I am not about run out to enter my daughter in a pageant, I'll be happy to have that cup of tea with you!!! (LOL!!!!!) Have a good day!

If anyone is changing thier mind it would be me.  The reason I went on the show is because I hate the back biteing and nastyness that rips apart my heart and soul of the 10% that are just hateful and mean.  But on the other side I have puppydog eyes asking to get to go be on the stage. 

  

He did his last pageant the weekend after the taping because I had promised in Aug if he left me alone about pageants till then he could do this one in our hometown. 

  

Honestly the comments for the most part made by non-pageant people are heartfelt and have a purpose based on what they have seen.  The pageant boards and some of the attitudes make it such a toxic environment for me as a parent.  I have done well covering my hurt and anger at things that have been said about my son from him but have busted out several "Pageants Suck".  It just really is not something I can allow him to do anymore as I am fearful that it will become toxic to him as well.  Right now we leave, for him, on a good note he got to do a pageant he wanted to do and I explained that it was his last.  He pouted and what not but it had to be my decision that it was nice for him for the 1 1/2 years he did them but it is time to start soccer again so we really don't have time anyway.   

  

Thanks for the tea it beats the heck out of the vinagar I have gotten from some. 

Hugs 

H&H 

 
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February 15, 2006, 12:28 pm PST

Sorry for your experiance

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Hi There, 

  

I agree also, but 9 times out of 10 it is the parents PUSHING their kids into doing this to get scholarships for college. 

  

Kids need to be kids.  

  

Parents need to back-off.  

  

I actually had my son in a local pageant, actually it was the Sunshine Pageant, and there were so many expensive dresses and tuxes that I felt really under-dressed.  When we entered this pageant it was not a requirement to be formal and that it would not sway the judges decision.  But for someone who tried to do this with her son, it was not a nice experience. 

  

My son was a very handsome baby, Red Hair and Blue Eyes, and I'm not saying this because he is my son.  He is now 15 and still very handsome, still with the red hair and blue eyes.  We are much better off since we did not continue with the pageants.   

  

People intend to go overboard.   

  

Cindy in FL 

  

I'm sorry your son had a bad experiance but at least you tried it and do not make your opions based just on the media. 

  

And I'm sure your son is a real cutie Patootie :-) 

  

Have a great day 

 
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February 15, 2006, 4:19 pm PST

I get that

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It just seems like all the parents just want the fame for themselves and the kids are just decoration in some cases.  So the parents can get the recognition for what they missed out on when they were growing up. 

  

Cindy in FL 

I think the problem for me was that you try to be yourself and be supportive of everyone and live that It is Fun thing and inside you feel like you have a million knives ripping you apart cause you know that tommorrow someone is going to be saying horrid horrible things about the kids. 

  

I just know that if I allowed him to continue he might see the ugly side and I don't want that for him. 

  

You did good. 

  

I am kinda laughing here cause you know how editing and all goes the one thing I keep laughing about seeing in my head happening is I said my son is a talented dancer and then they taped when my son was doing the wild run and fall down and jump around thing he likes to do to "Make Um Laugh"  It would look pretty goofy but he was having fun and that is what matters ;-) 

 
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February 15, 2006, 6:06 pm PST

You are one of the good guys

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But how is it that you know my experiences with pageants are "Too good to be true"?  I am truly interrested in knowing how that is?  This is what bothers me more than anything else.  No, I have no intention of changing your mind with the posts that I have made, and I have absolutely no problem with people with opinions that differ from mine; but I do think opinions should be based on more than the one sided information you feel you have on the topic, and thats all I am trying to express here, that no these pageants are not what you see on television.  Yes, some people have different experiences, and it most certainly is not something for everyone.  Just like anything else.  Everyone has different likes and dislikes for whatever reason for certain things, and neither are right or wrong.  BUT just because something isnt right for you, does not mean that that particular thing is bad for all.  My son played soccer, and like a previous poster said, spent more time, running in circles or jumping around, then actually playing the game.  After one season, he did not want to do it again the following year.  It wasnt enjoyable to him.  BUT because soccer was not the activity for my son, does not mean that I have completely blacklisted soccer, feeling that because it didnt work out for him that it must be bad, period, thats ridiculous.  There were a few other things he tried and didnt like, those arent bad either, not right for him, but not bad for all.  He has found things now that he loves, and asks all the time to try others.  Same with my daughter.  She loves pageants, has tried ballet, and after a few classes, didnt want to do it anymore, so we stopped.  She does gymnastics on and off.  She'll do it for a while, then when its time for the next session of classes, she'll say she doesnt want to, so we stop a few months later she says she wants to go back.  She does cheerleading and loves that too.  She starts school in the fall and will be old enough to play soccer, and she wants to give it a try.  And we will, I am not going to tell her no, your brother didnt like it, so it wouldnt be something you would like either, soccers bad.  Because maybe she will, and then again maybe she wont.  But we will try.   

  

Beg my pardon here, this is not intended to be a dig to anyone at all, so do not take it that way, but it shows how blinded you are by your own opionion, that you can not step back and even fathom for a second, that yes indeed, there are kids out there who love pageantry, you enjoy doing and have nothing but positive experiences with it. 

  

What I have stated in my posts about OUR experiences are 100% real, I assure you and you really have no place to say otherwise.  I do not know what things it is you choose to do with your own children, but I would never state that anything you did express about experiences you have had were untrue, why cause I was not there to know otherwise. 

  

We have met many, many people in pageantry, and out of that I have most certainly come away with some of the closest friends I have.  People who have become close family friends as well, not just friends of my own.  I have met people through all the other activities we have participated in, but nine times out of ten the interaction we have is limited to when we see them at that particular event.  The friends that we have made through pageantry, we have contact with outside of pageants as well.  We talk on the phone or over the computer, in some cases we even spend time together outside of pageants, doing other things.  In our experience we have never come across people who havent been willing to help you out with one thing or another, wether it be someone I know well or someone I might have just met at that particular pageant.  I have had a  mother I barely know, stop on her way to get her daughter in line to go up on stage, help fix a problem with my daughters dress.  Or another mom take my daughter to line up so I could stay infront of the stage, in the audience to see her when she got on, I have had hair and makeup artists, on the occassion I have chose to do my daughters hair myself, stop and fix something I might not have did just right (cause fixing hair most certainly not my forte)  I have seen them do this with others.  Stop in line up and touch up a teenage girls lip gloss, who uses another Hair and makeup artist.  I can go on and on with things we have most certainly experienced, and I have most certainly done these things in return.  I have stayed up until the wee hours of the morning the night before a competition helping another mom complete or fix  a problem with her daughters outfit, and a few of those times, this persons child was in the same age group.  I have loaned my daughters outfits to others who were in need of these things for a particular pageant.  I have even personally brought these things to pageants we were not even participating in, just to make sure they got it in time and stayed to cheer them on.    Oh and yes there are most certainly happy children at pageants, kids runnning around playing with the friends they havent seen in a while,  all of them going swimming in the hotel pools, a large group of kids sitting on the floor of the ballroom after they have competed sharing toys and playing and having a grand old time, oblivous to the fact that the girl to her right is in the same group, or the one to the left uses a different coach or hair and makeup artist or the one across from them is someone they have only just met, it doesnt matter to them.  My daughter standing on a chair and cheering and clapping, or running up to the edge of the stage and hugging her friends as they step off the stage.  The parties were the ballroom is filled with kids running around, dancing, playing games, exchanging gifts and just plain having a blast!   Or the 5 or 6 girls loaded into one room the night after competition, having a sleep over and keeping us parents up all night along side of them.  Going out for lunch or dinner in big groups after the pageant to celebrate or even just to spend a but more time together before going home.  Kids who did not take home a title but are happy as can be with the toys and prizes they did get,  to them there is no difference, cause there are rarely pageants were everybody does not leave with something.  My daughter has lost before and no it didnt bother her, cause she knows and has been taught that its for fun, and as long as she has had a good time and did the best she could then she is most certainly still a winner.  And she gets the praise and regonition as such wether she does bring home a title or not from us, pageant or not, cause a crown does not gauge our love and how proud of her we are.  So no to her there is no difference between winning and loosing.  And I assure you that I have been 100% honest and true with what we have experienced in pageantry, and I am sure the other posters have as well.  And to state otherwise only shows how shallow your opinion is. 

Yes there are wonderful things that happen for the kids in pagentry and hopefully people are seeing that from the open disscussion here.   

  

For me there was the seeing my child enjoy himself  GREAT part but then the pain and hurt I had to hide from him.   

  

So like everything there is good and bad It was good for us for a while cause the joy my son was getting from it was outweighing my pain.  Now for US it is not the right thing but in no way does that mean it is wrong for everyone and I just wish the toxic people would be gone so those of you doing it for the right reason and laughing and loving it would be emotionaly safer and less critizied. 

  

Continued luck and health to your children and your family 

  

  

  

 
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February 16, 2006, 9:32 am PST

Help me understand what you are saying

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About Madison; I have never had a problem with moms who enter their kids into natural beauty pageants.  Note I said "natural beauty".  I think it is a great esteem booster and it teaches kids to learn how to take rejection along with winning.  It becomes a problem when you start teaching your child that, as long as you change every single thing about yourself, you're a winner.  Fake tans and fake teeth do not belong on elementary school children.  A preschooler should not own stock in Estee Lauder.  And I don't know any middle-class families who have ever spent 64 grand on a "hobby", cumulative or otherwise.  Mothers must be careful not to make their distorted obsessions their kids' nightmares.  And the fact that moms are threatening to kill each other because they are jealous of the competition is just wrong.  Most importantly, please stop posting these dolled-up photos of your kids on the internet.  It gives me the creeps knowing that many perverts have performed sex acts on themselves looking at that child's picture.  Ewww, why isn't that mom completely torn apart by that? 

  

Brooklyn is a cutie.  She reminds me of a little girl that is currently co-hosting a PBS show called Zoom.  Unfortunately, there are many, many blonde haired, blue eyed girls out there.  Her chances are pretty slim.  As cute as she is, there are no distinguishing characteristics to her.  Nothing makes her stand out.  I don't have high hopes for her chances.  A casting agent probably gets a thousand pictures just like hers every day.  I hope she succeeds, but her mom needs to realize the odds aren't good.  I mean, how many kids do I see walk out of my own daughter's school every day that look just like Brooklyn?  At least fifty, and it's a smaller school.  I wish her luck anyway. 

  

Hunter is just charming.  He's going to take massive flack for being in pageants, and there's nothing that mom can do about it.  You can't change society's views, no matter how hard you try.  If he likes it, and he's willing to put up with the crap, I say let him.  I just have a bad feeling that Mom's own disturbed visions for him are affecting her hearing where his wishes are concerned.  Take the time to find out if he is willing to get made fun of for his "hobby".  And other people need to realize that this mom is no different than the mom who makes her son play football even though he hates it because it makes him a "man".  That's a stereotype.  Nobody should do anything they don't want to do. 

  

I hope all the moms make sensible decisions and carefully weigh the consequences before they proceed.  Think of the future of these adorable children and the affects of their pasttimes.  Take your own thoughts and opinions completely out of the picture.  Only then can you make an intelligent decision concerning your kids.  Good luck, no matter what you decide! 

I thank you for your compliment about my son I think he is pretty charming and adorible myself :-) 

The thing that confuses me is the comment about my "disturbed visionfor him".  If you will read back through my posts you will see that I have allowed pageants until the last one he did because his enjoyment of being on the stage was outweighing my dislike and angst over the toxicness of things that I was experianceing. 

  

He actually has taken his crown to school for his NAG the vote Campaign he did the week before the presidental elections he also visited the Veteran's nursing home, 3 other nursing homes in the area, the City's Halloween celebration and helped out at Wal-mart's Haunted house giving out stickers to kids that promised to "Nag The Vote". 

  

When he took his crown to school the number of boys that wanted to try it on and have thier pictures taken with it was equal to the number of girls BUT that is because at the age they are now kids do not judge eachother based on gender biases the way adults do. 

  

No he will not being doing anymore pageants and not because I am givign into some archic gender bias it is because I feel the people that are toxic and mean spirted are too much a negitive to continue as it may be heard or experessed to him one day. 

  

He quit ballet becuse he had advanced to a level that required far more seriouseness to his classes than he wanted to give but he still continues to dance to musicals on TV and music playing anywhere he is just one of those kids that likes to dance for the joy of dance. 

  

He also fly's his Ohpa's Piper Cherokee Warrior, plays soccer, T-ball (which he is good at but finds boring right now with the whole standing around waiting his turn thing), he loves doing science experiments and at the time of the tapeing we had to make sure not to film in the area where several of our science experiments were still laying outon the floor.  He is the youngest member of our local art league and has won awards for his art to include being now at the state level of the National PTA's Reflections contest for his photographs of the Moon. 

  

He has been modeling and acting for quite a while but I would not say that he is going to be or is a Star in that sense he has done some work and he has a pretty good booking rate.  For someone to thingk thier kid is going to be a star other than in thier eyes does not know or understand the true nature of the acting and modeling world.  He has not booked jobs where the casting director told me after the audition how "professional" he was because as Dr. Phil has stated before child actors and models are window dressing they book jobs based most times on what the parents look like or the age range, hair color or ethnicity of the part.  That is something that sets kids up for failure in this industry the precieved notion that they can make it big or whatever just cause they are cute and have a great personality.  My son knows that if he wants to do an audition all he can do is do his personal best and enjoy himself book the job or not.   

  

If I had the ignorance to put on my child the pressure to become something you are so correct that that would be deluded.  Right now in this moment he is going to grow up to be a (take a deep breath ;-) a FiremanAstronaughtAnimalDoctorHelecopterAndPlanePilotRockStarDancerTeacher and two or three things that come in and out of the mix :-)  My only goal for my son is that he grows up experimenting, learning, growing and experiancing as many things as I can allow him to experiance that he wants to try. 

  

Have a nice day :-) 

 
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February 16, 2006, 10:15 am PST

Awwe shucks Thanks

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 The little boy on the show just looks so adorable.  I can't believe some ignorant jerk actually tells that women that she's "turning her son gay".  I mean jeesh.  All though, a boy being in a beauty pagent with girls IS sort of odd, but who am I to judge right? 

Maybe she should try to get him into catalog modeling or something. OOOO and he might like doing musical theatre too.  Just hope the little gut doesn't get burnt out.

Hunter was modeling and acting before he did the few pageants he has done.  He did not do them for a year when he was 2 because he discovered scissors and gave himself a reverse mohawk.  (LOL it was the day before his KidsRus shoot and I had to call his agent to tell her he wouldn't be doing anything that season trying to not laugh my butt off cause I had to be the seriouse we don't play with scissors mom) 

  

  

http://www.mysouthlandmall.com/index.shtml 

www.hunterryan.com 

  

And while I have you all here PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE if you do visit Hunter's site click on t he links to the Operation Military Pride links on his site and see if you might be able to sign up even if it is just as a one time Holiday train supporter.  Thanks 

  

  

  

 
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February 16, 2006, 1:00 pm PST

Too Much Caffiene HELPPPP

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Good morning and I hope you are having another cup of tea!  I was about to answer the post that you just responded to, and  then I realized that you just made one of the points that I was about to make.  That there is both good and bad in things. I will go into more detail in my next posting when I respond directly to that message.  I hope to see you on here after the show later.  Going to have morning tea now.  Cheers.  Julie

Julie 

I tried coffee this morning OH not a good idea I get caffiene toxic and so now I'm all spastic... BUT annnyyyhooo 

  

The show is on at 7pm here we will be having birthday dinner for the Mamason and I prefer to watch this anyway after the pea goes to sleep I don't think it will be appropriate for him to watch. 

  

I'll try to swing by after that. 

  

Hugs 

Hollie 

 

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