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November 16, 2005, 6:51 pm PST

11/16 "My Kid's a Star"

Quote From: okrahoma

I have never seen a set of people so clueless in my life.  Why Were you there?  So your kids could be seen on Dr. Phil?  First of all, those beauty pageants are just for suckers, to draw proud parents in to spend tons & tons of money.  They don't mean a thing to anybody in the real world, & guess who owns all those pageant outfit companies?  The ones where you pay thousands of dollars for a piece of junk?  So they make more money off of you clueless parents.  Of course, the kids want to do this because for a little while, they are the center of everyone's attention, until they don't win the top prize,  & the practicing, & the other bad stuff.  Kids also want to do what their parents want & what they think makes their parents accept them, and what else do they know?  Why would they say the Bad words, I don't want to do this, when they know you'll probably be unhappy with them, & won't let them quit anyway.  You all say you would, but I wonder, I really do.  Not that they're old enough to get the guts or the maturity  or the insight to say they want to quit, & stand up to you.  Please learn to use a little moderation--I don't agree with the pageants, but, I give you the right to make your daughter do some, just swallow a dose of reality, please.  If it is interfering with your family's welfare, monetarily, realationships deteriorating (where was the poor dad?lol), neglecting of other children --attention, etc., you've got a big problem.  Recognize it! 

  

The singing girl's parents, please loosen up & appreciate your daughter's talent.  You could see that the mother was being critical constantly, even on the video where she was watching her daughter perform.  She was stiff, nervous, & looked extremely unhappy and stressed.  How can that be fun, for anybody?  Silently, she was constantly broadcasting criticism (help?) to her daughter as she performed.  When she was standing next to her, she was giving her audible criticism (help?!.  Get a life, loosen up, chill, enjoy your daughter performing, like everybody else  is.  Also, haven't you ever heard of pointing out the positives instead of the negatives?  You should be proud of your daughter, not so negative.  I know, I know, we've got it all wrong.  I just hope you saw yourself & maybe got a little insight, both of the mothers, expecially.  And ,of course, she asks what she got wrong!!!!!!   What is the typical pattern, LOL!  It's probably like, OK ,let's get it over with, because I know I  did something that I'm going to be put down about, or punished, so I can't even enjoy the performing.  And that was so on, what DP said, of couse she thinks she's nothing if she's not performing, because you have made it become the price of your love and validation, as I see it.  Don't make excuses, just try to be more relaxed & positive, this is not life or death, really! 

That's exactly why they were there, so their children could have national exposure on Dr. Phil.  Unless most of Dr. Phil's guests, these mothers were completely defensive about what they were doing & not amenable to any help from Dr. Phil what-so-ever.  It's clear they were only there for the national exposure & in the case of Kara's mom, the opportunity to publicize her daughter's website on this discussion board.  I was completely sickened by the verbal & emotional abuse Kara's mom heaps on her.  I thought Dr. Phil was way too easy on Kara's mom.
 

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November 16, 2005, 7:00 pm PST

Correction

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That's exactly why they were there, so their children could have national exposure on Dr. Phil.  Unless most of Dr. Phil's guests, these mothers were completely defensive about what they were doing & not amenable to any help from Dr. Phil what-so-ever.  It's clear they were only there for the national exposure & in the case of Kara's mom, the opportunity to publicize her daughter's website on this discussion board.  I was completely sickened by the verbal & emotional abuse Kara's mom heaps on her.  I thought Dr. Phil was way too easy on Kara's mom.
The above should read, "Unlike most of Dr. Phil's guests..."
 

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November 17, 2005, 6:44 pm PST

Great idea but...

Quote From: hitechgirl

Dr. Phil, 

How in the heck do we justify our war in Iraq when it is known that MILLIONS of people have been taken against their will to live a life of prostitution?  Why can't American Soldiers bust into these heavily guarded "Brothels" and free these women who are being used as sex slaves?  We are losing more and more soldiers everyday in Iraq for a war that should be over.  What is wrong with our government and governments around the world when this is a "known" problem, yet you have to send in a small handful of people to stake out these whore houses?  Where is our military and why aren't we fighting for people who really are living in complete terror???   

  

Can;t you get George Bush in on this???   

Great idea, but there's no oil in those brothels.
 

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November 30, 2005, 11:10 pm PST

FWIW...

Quote From: blouic

JEWelerboy (I'm assuming this implies self-declaration of Jewry), 

  

I apologize for any misconceptions, and ask that you permit me to clarify: 

  

My mention of the Holocaust is in no way meant to 'bully'; rather, it is intended as an appeal.  Nor do I, in any way, label you as a 'Holocaust-denier.'  On the contrary, my assumption is that you, like most educated readers, affirm the reality of those events--and that you are also aware of the Neo-Nazi (revisionist) propoganda that persists in denial. 

   

One of my closest friends is Jewish by heritage and faith.  She--knowing me--and knowing the circumstances from which I speak--would know my words are grounded in deep respect  [and support and sympathy for Holocaust victims, survivors, and their loved ones alike.  She would understand my reference to Holocaust as an emphatic assertion--and affirmation--of gravity and TRUTH!  

  

She would know my disgust for the willful ignorance  (adopted by so many!) during the Holocaust, which helped those evils to stay hidden for so long--harming so many! 

  

And, she would see clearly the parallel that is being drawn:  

  

That--in the time of the Holocaust--most people, hearing reports of death camps, simply did not believe such horrible things existed.  First of all, no one wants to believe another human being  capable of such atrocious things (much less someone we would generally regard as normal, like ourselves).    [DENIAL.     

  

From here, it is an easy skip to concluding that such things really are implausible--really could not be carried out, anyway.   [DISMISSAL.     

  

This dismissal can 'gel' into a stance which, unwittingly, allows undercover evils to perpetuate (as more and more fall victim--despite the growing voice of insistent pleas for help).   We don't believe; therefore, we don't act.   [DECISIVE INACTION.     

  

After a time, and for their persistence--knocking at our ears, when we have already determined that there is no problem!--we become annoyed with the victims...for being victims....  Left unexamined, this position of annoyance sees us further hardenening our stance and reinforcing efforts to block our 'ears.'  [DETERMINED (WILLFUL) INACTION.   

  

Evenutally, this hardened, defensive position gives way to turning offensive...not  toward  the underlying evil...but toward the victims themselves.   Now, we--still unwittingly!--RE-victimize the victims by telling them that their pain, their plight is of no account to us, and how dare they bring their false claims and faulty perceptions to us!...There is nothing for them to complain about--instead of pointing fingers, if they suffer so much, they should take a look at themselves and go get themselves straightened out....There is nothing happening to them...they need and deserve nothing from us.    [DISCOUNTING.           

  

  

 

 

This keeps them stuck.  And the evil perpetuates. 

  

  

The commonality is this: 

  

This position of non-acceptance (non-exploration!) of truth is what undermined the social fabric of humanity and integrity, and thwarted (for years!) potential help to countless victims, during the Holocaust.  [Incidentally, besides Jews and others, Jehovah's Witnesses "were among the first of the first," as one historian put it, to be placed into the concentration camps, because of their persistent noncompliance with Nazi patriotism--a fact of special significance to me, which also says that I would never use lightly such an atrocity for comparison to anything.  --Just so you know. 

  

This stance (of non-acceptance of truth)--so widely adopted back then--is the same one that allows any abuses to proliferate today.   ...In this case, I refer specifically to domestic abuse and--more specifically--to the widespread and hidden phenomenon of SLEEP-SEX VIOLATIONS.   [This is a controversial but--nonetheless, very real! --form of RAPE!    

  

  

Also: Like the SS guards, who knew full well the mechanisms by which such abominations were carried out (even while maintaining secrecy and veneer of respectability to outsider eyes), domestic abusers--in this case, sleep-sex perps--know full well the mechanics used to carry out their own perverted acts of violation.  [BTW, an abuser thinks in terms of manipulation and control--and opportunity--and believes others think in these terms as well.   This mindset--plus knowledge of his own tactics--fuels paranoid expectation of others' guilt in kind.... This is why my ex-husband was so thoroughly convinced  that D. must have violated me, too! 

  

  

  

...Very serious subjects...both reflecting very serious cultural flaws, indeed. 

  

  

  

Another note: These rapists wish not only to avoid waking up their sleeping victims...they hope that a sleeping society will not wake up to their actions as well!  LET'S PLEASE WAKE AS A SLEEPING GIANT TO STOP THESE SEX PERPS IN THEIR TRACKS!!!  Let's shine the spotlight not on the stunned victims but on the stealthy sex perps, who presently count on and thrive on a society that remains sound asleep and in the dark! 

  

  

 If you have not already so, please do a message board search for blouic for more on this subject. 

  

I'm Jewish & I not only was not offended by your Holocaust denier analogy, I agree with it.  However, I think you're wasting your time trying to reason with J.Boy, whom I suspect is here to bash women.  Call him on it though & he's "just joking". 
 

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December 5, 2005, 3:51 pm PST

"Love Child" & other thoughts

Quote From: a_n_other

In my view if you set out to get a marriage annulled then unless you make it very clear, perhaps with some sort of legal document, you are setting out to change the status of children born within that marriage.  Effectively those 3 girls have been told by their church hierarchy that they are lesser daughters to their father than they were before he obtained the annullment.  Mouthing a few platitudes about not intending things to be seen that way isn't enough - that father should get off his backside and do something ACTIVE to make it clear he values his daughters.   

  

Quite frankly Dr Phil misses the point when he says hurt people need to step up, put their hurt aside and make an effort to mend fences for the sake of the family and because we might all be dead tomorrow.  There are some people it is impossible to get along with because of the price tag they put on having a continuing relationship with them.  Mynde's father is one of those people - he's officially rewritten 31 years of the family's history and expects everyone to be happy with what he's done.  As for that expert - I take the point I'm not Catholic - annullmentsallowed on the grounds of lack of committment - I don't believe it! 

I think it's ridiculous that a religion would consider someone of lesser status because of the behavior of their parents over which they had no control.   

  

Love child, always second best 

Love child, different from the rest 

  

But I think the annulment thing is beside the point.  I think Mynde is primarily upset that dad traded mom in for a younger model.  If dad lives to 80, I wouldn't be surprised if he annuls marriage #2 & trades her in for a still younger model. 

 

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December 6, 2005, 2:14 pm PST

Points well taken, but...

Quote From: missjane2

#1 Time:  I think the second question would be:  What do you currently do with your time during the week and what do you hope to do with your time on a day to day week to week month to month basis?

#2 AGE:  I see so many comments on these boards about Age.  I think you have an actual age:  How old you really are.  You have a physical age:  How old you look and people think you are and then a Mental Age:  YOUR MENTALITY  **laugh**  (I think being around kids alot lowers your Mental Age in order to relate and manage themm.... **tilts head**     Like with Age.... My grandma's now deceased who were THE BEST GRANDMA'S  EVER.  I am so thankful to have had them.  I would trade them for nothing.  They were perfect...... BUT in the last portion of their life 5- 10 years.... one thing I remember them talking about was their aches and pains and the obituaries... who died that they knew this week.... It's like that was their mentality or what they thought about and talked to others about.  It didn't change how I felt about them because as mentioned I adored them.... but in terms of this discussion um like if you as an older woman or man ( I have to include that because men break this rule too.) LISTEN TO WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT because I think that is often what attracts older men to younger women.  These young girls LOOK UP TO THEM AND RESPECT THEIR WISDOM where you might think they are full of ##$%& and that very well could be true ROFL but the young girl just says yeah uh huh WOW Really?  It's not totally about how young looking and cute she may be.... I think it's a bit about attitude and CONVERSATION....... 

I mean listen to what teenagers care about?  their nails.... the movies.....  their face and clothes.....   ITS A MENTALITY.... I think you can be Young at Heart.....

I think older men go for the younger women for the same reason they read Playboy or Maxum & it's not b/c the younger women are looking up to them & respecting their wisdom.  It's true many of us over 40 look & act quite youthful BUT when doing online dating, we won't even come up on the search of most guys our age (unless we're lying about our age which presents an integrity issue).  Their searches end at age 39 & most of them don't want to date anyone who was in high school at the same time they were. 

 

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December 6, 2005, 2:52 pm PST

BINGO!

Quote From: juliebgg

Mis Jane.  I agree with SOME of your comments.  You have a good point about acting youthful rather than talking about illness, aches and pains etc.  But I don't think it is so much what attracts men to younger women.  I think it is a basic shallowness, a need for an ego boost and arm candy that attracts fifty-somethings to 20 year olds.  Lets face it, how much can they possibly have in common??  It is a no-brainer why the 20 something girls go for the older guys.  MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!!! If Billy Joel, Donald Trump etc. were not rich would these young girls have married them??  Hmm...would be interesting to know that. As far as interesting conversations, I am still waiting to see a 20 something that can converse without saying 'I am SOOOOOO..or "I was like...."  Bottom line...he wants the bimbo arm candy and she wants the dollars.
Basic shallowness & a need for an ego boost.  BINGO!  Although there is some evoluntionary biology as they would like a "healthy" young specimen with big boobs to have & nurse his babies, even if he has no intention of having any.   And would the current Mrs. Trump be married to The Donald if he wasn't a billionaire (or at least multi-millionaire?)  NOT a chance IMO.
 

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December 6, 2005, 2:58 pm PST

Well...

Quote From: rockstarxx

It's hard for us guys too!                                                           

1. Girls, I don't care to hear about all your guy friends  that are "more" than friends! aka FB's 

2. Just because I am not rich, I might be a good guy. 

3. If you are just interested in just having fun, find a manwhore! 

4. If you are not "into" me, please don't offer to pay for the date. Big turnoff. 

It's hard out there guys. Single for three years and counting first dates... 

Many guys are offended when we DON'T offer to pay for a date.  They think, "women have jobs, why the hell do they expect the guy to pay?!!"   So we might end up offering to pay or not offering, & the guy might be offended either way. 

  

Most women IMO are NOT looking for a rich guy, but they would like the guy to be employed (or comfortably retired), able to pay his bills & not living under a bridge.  

 

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December 6, 2005, 8:32 pm PST

Red flags - Pot calling the kettle black

Quote From: wespauley

I personally don't chase after women half my age because I don't have a need to prove my manliness to myself or others, but there are some very good reasons I would consider a younger woman. For one thing, they haven't spent a lifetime being miserable and developing a very hostile attitude towards men (yet). They are still curious enough about sex to be interested. They still know how to have fun,  they whine less, are less judgemental, and don't spend as much time looking for faults. In short, they are willing to give a guy at least half a chance.

>For one thing, they haven't spent a lifetime being miserable and developing a very hostile attitude towards men (yet).  

  

That's red flag #1 - your assumption that older women have developed a very hostile attitude toward men & that women as they age are at risk of such. 

  

>They are still curious enough about sex to be interested.  

  

Red flag #2 - the stereotype that older women are not interested in sex. 

  

>They still know how to have fun,  

  

Red flag #3 - Your assumption that older women don't know how to have fun. 

  

 >they whine less 

  

Red flag #4 - Your assumption that older women whine more.  Incidentally, "whining" is a pejorative assumption made by the listener.  If a guy often makes pejorative assumptions, that's another red flag about him.   

  

,>are less judgemental, 

and don't spend as much time looking for faults. In short, they are willing to give a guy at least half a chance. 

  

Red flag #5 - More pejorative assumptions about older women.  Older individuals, men & women, are more likely to know what their deal breakers are from experience.  I know a 64 year-old widower who now makes smoking & excessive drinking deal-breakers.  (His wife died due to her bad habits.)  I know an 48 year-old divorced guy who says he now knows chemistry is not enough for a relationship, & now requires good communication for a relationship to proceed.  Both these men are more aware of what they want & their former wives never would have made it to the second date.  I know older women who have learned lessons along those lines, as well.  But you're framing this perjoratively. 

  

I don't know how old you are & exactly what you mean by "older".  I'm in my 40s.  But I would never date a guy who had so many negative assumptions about my demographic.  If you would like women to give you at least half a chance, then I suggest YOU be less judgemental & don't spend as much time looking for the faults of women in a certain demographic. 

  

 

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December 7, 2005, 9:08 am PST

Stereotyping

Quote From: wespauley

I assume nothing. I speak through a great deal of personal experience.  "whining is a pejorative assumption made by the listener."  In this case, I believe that would be you, and you would prove my point rather well had I been making one. I was merely offering some positive qualities I have noticed in younger women that were lacking in the last few women I have dated who were in my age group. I suspect there are plenty of women who are not like this, but I haven't been looking all that hard. You have read far too much into what I have written, but thanks for your input. I enjoyed reading your opinion. 

You made a bunch of pejorative assumptions about older women, generalizing to a demographic, based on your experiences with a few women.  I called you on it & then you appear to insinuate that I'M whining.  If you had made the same pejorative statements about African Americans or another ethic group, you would have been called on that as well.  That's life on the internet--stereotype & you will get called on it, particularly if it's pejorative stereotypes.   

  

It's an interesting tactic at work here.  You can say "People in group A are angry people."  Someone in group A can say, "I find your stereotyping offensive."  And then you say, "See?  I told you people in group A are angry."  I correctly figured you would twist my response of not being pleased to be stereotyped into an assertion that your point has been proven.   

  

Thank you for enjoying reading my opinion. 

  

 

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