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November 17, 2005, 8:53 pm PST

Can't wait to see the Dr. Phil Show!

Missed it today at it's regular time, but I am fortunate, it is rerunning at 12:35am here in the Chicago area. From reading the notes, I am past angry, past furious, and no word can fit all that I am feeling. See I am the father of a quite gorgeous 18 year old redhead. I am extremely overprotective of her, and when all this came to light about Natalee, I told my wife I am glad I am overprotective, and know where my child is, and how she is. I can not imagine the pain that Natalee's parents are going through, in fact, don't want to imagine it. 

  

On the notes from some Aruban's posted here on Dr. Phil's, it only justifies more the continuation of all boycotts. The fact that we should also boycott all the other islands ruled by the same government is also a GREAT idea. The government of Aruba, I strongly feel, is obstructing justice, and preventing us from finding these girls and others that have gone unreported or unnoticed by the press. It happens to often, and Thank You Dr. Phil, for bringing this fact to our attention.  

  

You staff of investigators, seem aggressive enough, to actually get this job done. Many have tried to put their two cents in for rating sakes, but I know you are really trying to help. So please let us know, how we can help you. I have already canceled my All-Inclusive vacation to Aruba, but I wish I can do more. May the Bradly's and The Holloway's find their missing daughters. God Bless Them ALL! 

 
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November 18, 2005, 7:50 pm PST

I agree with the above, except for one thing.

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I, like everyone, hopes that these girls and all of the kids who have been taken and forced into slavery for any reason, sexual or servatude, etc. come home soon. Worse for wear, surely, but alive and home. 

  

When we first heard about Natalee I said to my huband that, since nothing of her had been found, 

she could have been kidnapped and held against her will, maybe even in Venzuela.  

  

But we also wondered WHY, WHY, WHY are parents of kids, under 21, who are mainly 17/18 yrs. old because they have just graduated from HIGH SCHOOL letting them go off to a foreign country where they are allowed to DRINK ALL OF THE ALCOHOL THEY WANT and gamble all they want and do anything else that they want to do??? ? Even most kids in college are NOT old enough to drink in this country and none are allowed to legally gamble. So why are we sending our kids to countries that let them do all of these things. Why are we sending them to do things that they can't legally do here for another 3/4 years???? Adult things!! Why are we rushing them???? Can't ANY PARENTS have the GUTS to say NOWAY to their kids who want to go on these trips???? If the kids want to go to the beach and have that kind of atmosphere, GOOD GREIF there are thousands of shoreline here at home. Yes, things can happen here like anywhere else but to sent them to places where the main event is PARTY---PARTY---PARTY and then you let them drink alcohol is BEGGING for trouble. At least our laws are directed at protecting kids from themselves. 

Why are we doing this?????????????? It needs to stop and if boycotting Aruba will help stop it so 

be it. You know if they were concerned about underage drinking they could raise the legal age for alcohol. But that would hit them in the pocketbook so naturally they won't do that. It's up to PARENTS to say NO to their kids for a change. The legal age there for alcohol is 18. So how are the kids drinking in the clubs who are only 17???? Think they CARE?? Apparently not. 

  

If everyone would NOT let their kids go to Aruba until they were 21 then Aruba would get the message. 

  

I, also, am wondering if Natalee's family has thought about bring in a phychic. Some of them do amazing work. I hope they give this some serious thought.  

  

And lets all discourage anyone from making it too easy to take our kids. 

  

  

  

As a father of an almost 18 year old, my wife continue to remind me that I can't control her life forever. I love Heather with all my heart and soul, and yes I am overprotective. However, Heather and I have an open communication, that if given the opportunity to go on a trip such as Natalie went on, she would be asking me to go with her, first and foremost. 

  

Some 18 year olds, would see it as their first sense of freedom. And in many state at 18, parents already have no legal right to tell them what to do, or not to do.  However, it is up to parents to build that type of open relationship with their children so that you can guide their every way, and even choose to accompany them with very little objection from their part.  I am not even clear what the legal age is here in IL, when a kid could do whatever without a parent's consent, but see that is not important to us, as the relationship we have is stronger than any law. 

  

This relationship building should start when they first go to school. I personally know all her friends, have gone on almost every single field trip, and I am also a member of the Citizen's Advisory Council in her school district, as well as a member on her school improvement team. This gives me an opportunity to keep on top of her education as well as her social life.  

  

The boycott on Aruba needs to be extended fast, and not just for kids, cancel all vacations whether it is an anniversary trip with your spouse without kids, or a family vacation. Have to hit Aruba and all the island's their government controls where it hurts.  In the pocketbook! 

 
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November 18, 2005, 8:54 pm PST

I DO...Expect a country to allow JUSTICE to be served.

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you can't expect an entire country and government to stop everything to find one person who was acting irresponsibly in the first place.

You are to quick to judge that Natalee was acting irresponsibly. True she was at a bar, but so where many others.  Don't condemn an innocent young lady, that perhaps did not know in the harms way she was putting herself into. 

  

Do condemn the government that is doing everything possible from preventing the real truth to be let out. It is true that boycotting Aruba will hurt the local people, but the loss of taxes will also hurt the reprehensible government of Aruba. 

 
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November 18, 2005, 9:11 pm PST

This poster has WRONG info.

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Amy was lost at Sea, she was in her balcony after a  hard nite drinking with her brother. I heard that the people in the cabins next to them heard arguments.  The main suspect is a crew member.  Carlos & Charlies did not exidt 7 years ago.  Not that it matter because she was lost at sea. maybe they should focus thier investigation on her brother too. 

  

In any case we all hope this mistery is resolved, both the Holloway and Bradley case.  

  

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View the Carlos and Charlie web site.  http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com/  It clearly states that on December 1st, they are inviting you all to their "8 year celebration?.  When replying to posts, please keep info accurate, so that you do not cloud the discussion at hand.  

  

Thank you. 

 
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November 18, 2005, 9:18 pm PST

Carlos and Charlie Celebrating 8th Aniversary.

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1998 one  

1999  two  

2000 three 

2001 four 

2002 five 

2003 six 

2004 seven 

2005 eight 

  

EVEN if you take off 1998 it's still SEVEN YEARS. 

Please stop arguing, and look at the main page of Carlos And Charlie's Web Site.  Scroll down to upcoming events. Your argument will be calmed when you read they are now celebrating their 8th year on December 1st, 2005, and they are inviting you to their party. 

  

Check it out, and stop bickering.  That page does not lie. 

 
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November 18, 2005, 9:23 pm PST

I too understand the SHADYNESS...

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I have so many thoughts about this case, as I am from the town where Natalee attended high school. I know everyone is quick to blame Joran and the Kalpoe brothers, and these guys have not helped their case at all and do appear shady, but there is the possibility that they had nothing to do with her disappearance. I think solely focusing on them is a bad idea, and I am glad they are starting to seach other avenues.

There are so many things that could have happened to her. These kids could have actually left her at the beach. Perhaps she wandered into the ocean to swim and passed out, or maybe she was kidnapped by someone entirely different and random.  There are just so many possibilities and I fear that the truth may never come out.

If she is deceased, I think it is strange that nothing has been found on an island as small as Aruba, such as a purse, shoe, shirt, etc.

I am just sorry that these kids did not have better judgement that night of May 30, although I know at 18 and left alone to party and have fun with my friends, I probably would not have had any better judgement (which is why I would never be allowed to go on such a trip.) 

My husband and I went to Jamaica for our honeymoon and would not go to some of the bars, would not get in certain cabs, and avoided certain parts of town because they were shady and we felt like it was trouble for tourists. I just wish these kids had done the same thing.  

I am a natural from Puerto Rico, and there too, you have to use your seventh sense to spot trouble, specially since I am looked upon as an outsider.  

  

I too have been to Jamaica, and have felt the same discomforts as you. We stayed at Sandals Montego Bay, it seems everything West of the airport is tricky, and I know what you said about the cabbies too. It is amazing. 

  

I appreciate the fact that you said you you would have never be allowed on such a trip. I personally would have been shackled to my 18 year old, as she will not go without me.  Thank you for all your insights. 

 
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November 18, 2005, 9:41 pm PST

If Carlos and Charley did not exist then...

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Carlos & Charlie's did not exist 7 years ago on the island of ARUBA !! 

Amy disapears on open water between ARUBA and CURACAO !! And what did the captian of this cruise ship to find her ? NOTHING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why? maybe she felt of board what the captain says...and as her father says that she was on dek by herself sleeping, if you had suspected that some LOCAL guys was looking at her al the time why are you leaving your daughter alone sleeping on the dek of this cruise ship. 

  

Locals guys from aruba don't work on the cruise ships of america!!!  

Why is it that on their web site they are advertising a 8 year Anniversary Celebration.  Are you trying to cover the truth up to, by pretending that the administration of Carlos and Charlie don't even know how many years they are celebrating in business in your lovely ARUBA!!! 

  

Check out there web site, and STOP defending your crappy government.  Use your energy to replace the cartel that is using their powers to prevent open investigations, and cover up so many material facts. Shame on you. Be truthful or get off.   

  

http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com/ 

 
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November 19, 2005, 8:55 am PST

SORRY CBS DID NOT REPLAY THE SHOW!

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Dear Dr. Phil, 

 

Thank you so much for not only your show on Natalee Holloway but also your true concern. I have followed this case since day one and have followed it daily online as well as on television.  I am most anxious to see your show on the 17th. 

God Bless you, 

 

franlove in alabama 

DEAR DR. PHIL AND STAFF; 

  

     I am so sad that CBS did not replay the Hollaway/Bradley show at night in the Chicagoland area. They ran a different show instead. I do not know who's decision this was, or why. In any case it is a show that merited a re-lay. The show they ran was on cheating spouses instead. 

     Then I figured, perhaps the re-plays at 12:35 CST were a day behind, so I again taped it, but no. There was no RE-Play of the very important show.  Can someone on your staff let us know what happened. I would appreciate it. 

  

Thank you, you guys are doing a GREAT job. 

 
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November 19, 2005, 9:14 am PST

Not even GOD, can do his job if....

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Eventhough I have read a lot of comments that makes me feel angry, I don't want to attack anyone with my comments because that just ain't my nature. I just want to make clear to all of you who, thanks to the dr. Phill show, now has a complete ironic view of our beloved island of Aruba. 

  

The Aruban culture has very strong morals and values, we are very educated and devoted people to God. 

Here in Aruba we DO NOT tolerate any kind of slavery or abuse, much less for children to be used for sexual purposes. I have NEVER EVER heard of any Aruban girls nor foreign girls being used as sex slaves here in Aruba. Even more, I have NEVER heard of any girl who went missing on the island, except this isolated case. That's why the Natalee case struck our community so hard because it was the first time something like this happend and everyone of us was immediatly willing to help in the search. (Amy Bradley went missing on a cruise ship entering the port of Curacao. I feel that the cruise ship should be held responsable here) 

  

I have followed a lot of stories of children being abducted and later being found raped and murdered not only in America but also in other countries. I've cried a lot with these stories and pray for my children and all the children of the world to be save and I thank God these horrific things aren't happening in Aruba. We are living in the 21st century and these things shouldn't happen to our children.  

As a women and a mother I unit myself in the grief and sorrow of these mothers and families. 

  

I was also very disturbed by the latest dr. Phil show. Apparently sex slavery is something that is really happening and it's definitly unacceptable. 

I was also disturbed by the fact that the show made the audience believe that he footages used of the brothels were really taken here in Aruba, they were NOT! They were obviously taken in some latin country as you could hear them speak spanish. 

  

I urge dr. Phil to be honest and true to himself and to his audience and tell us where these footages has been taped and that you don't have any proof of sex slavery going on here in Aruba. If you, dr. Phil, have any information of any brothels where sex slaves are being held against their will here in Aruba, please post the addresses so I can go and see them for myself. As you know Aruba is very small and it's very easy here to locate any address. I can hardly imagine that sex slavery could go unnoticed in such a small community, that's why I dare to say: Aruba has no sex slavery ! First, it doesn't fit in our culture and second, we wouldn't tolerate it. 

  

These stories are sad enough for us to be here attacking and fighting each other; we are getting nowhere!  

None of us Arubans, none of you Americans are entitled to judge one another. The only one who has the power to judge is the One above who we all believe in. Let Him be the judge! 

I do believe in God and one of his theachings says: 'Pay good with good, bad with good'.  

This is why I don't believe in a boycott. As you Americans are grieving, we are grieving with you not only for the missing girls but also for all the tragedy that has struck you lately such as the 9/11 an Katrina. 

  

I would say let's pray to God for the save return of all the missing children and adults, for strenght to cary on wathever comes in our way and especially for PEACE on earth, after all we share the same planet. 

God bless Aruba and God bless America 

Dear Arabian Citizen; 

     Not even GOD, can do his job if it is your own government that is obstructing justice.  Don't chastise the messenger that is bringing all this into the light, start chastising the government you and your people put in power. Review the ethics of your judicial system starting with Judge VanD'Slooth, wow you have your hards full. 

     I am not pretending to think that the U.S. has a perfectly balanced system, but in the end, I trust our government to be in search of the truth it citizen's deserve. For that reason, I pray that our government will take a more active stance in this issue, now that it is apparent that Aruba does have a REAL problem that you and your citizens fail to admit to.   

     Think of the ALANON  theory, you can't cure an alcoholic till he acknowledges he has a drinking problem.  You can't then cure the problem of the corruption of the government of Aruba, if their own citizens aren't clamming for TRUTH above ALL.  

     Th boycott is just begining to work, let's re-inforce it, and eventually it will cause a BIG enough economic drop for the government to step asside and let Justice Pervail.  

 
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November 20, 2005, 6:56 am PST

You are missing the point...

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 It is now thought that  Natalee is in Venezuela as a sex slave?   So boycott Aruba.    What am I missing here?   Why does this not make any sense to me?  How will this help Amy or Natalee or the families?
Penalizing innocent people just does not seem the correct approach.

Nobody is certain what country Natalee was sent to, if she is still alive or not. The people with those answers are the ones that the Aruba government are protecting by allowing a free, and open investigation by independent parties to proceed.  Even here in the U.S. whens something goes really wrong in the government, an independent council is immediately appointed. A third party independent investigation quickly follows. 

  

Both of these are things that Aruba could have done, but instead are disallowing.  Not even our own FBI and CIA have the level of access deemed necessary to effectively bring this investigation to a conclusion.   

  

Please STOP defending a government that is clearly in the business of covering up material facts rather than promoting JUSTICE.  If you truly want the TRUTH about Natalee, add writing to your congressman for our Government to start puting more pressure on Aruba's government to comply with an effective investigation into ALL the facts.  Praying is GREAT, but the Bible says, "Help yourselves, and GOD will help you". Their TRUTH of what really happened to Natalee, lies deep within ARUBA, their is no other possible option.  Therefore the BOYCOTT MUST CONTINUE! 

 

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