Messages By: mellynz

User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
November 27, 2005, 6:18 pm PST

Infertility

Quote From: connerbjc

My husband and I will be married 8 years in Feb. Nothing has changed. I don't know where to go from here. I stay tired and there are those days I don't feel like getting out of bed. I'm that depressed. I ask myself will these feelings ever go away? It seems they never will. I'm so angry by the lack of support from my husbands family, as well with him. They have very little to do with me, in thinking I'm over reacting in my situation. My brother-in-law has had their 2nd baby and I notice we get less visits from his mother. I guess I would bond with the one woman who has been able to bare me grandchildren than the one that hasn't. All I know is it hurts. I doesn't make sense. On top of all that. I am going to be a great Aunt. My niece which is 2 years younger than I, is pregnant with her first. Not knowing if they ever really wanted children, bam It happens for them! I'm the youngest of 5 and my oldest sister got pregnant at a very young age of 15. That's why we're so close in age. 

He won't really talk about. He just tells me what ever I want to do. After all this time. But yet adoption is out of the ? All I know is I can't go on like this anymore. This seems so unfair. And I'm to tired to go on. 

 Hi.  I can really empathise with your situation, as I am in a similar one.  It sounds to me like you may be suffering from depression and I would urge you to go and see your doctor.  I, myself, am on anti-depressants and while it does not change the situation I am in, it enables me to cope a little better.  I am also undertaking counselling via the fertility clinic I am attending.  I would also suggest that you choose a couple of people that are able to support you emotionally and try and ignore those in your life who you find to be unhelpful.  You need to look after yourself.
I have a step-sister who has just given birth to a beautiful baby boy.  She is not aware of my situation as I have only told a few people.  I am not going home for Christmas as I do not want to have to face seeing her baby.  I am aware, that it is not her fault I am feeling this way and that I have to face babies on an everyday basis anyway!
The problem with your partner is also something I can relate to.  My partner has 2 children from a previous relationship,is not really involved in the process we are going through and is ambilivalent about having more children.  He does, however, attend appointments with me and provide samples so I shouldn't really complain.  (the problem with us is his immobile, low sperm count  and my FHS levels).  As having a child is of such great importance to me, he is aware that I will leave our relationship if he does not want further children.  It may sound harsh but I did check out with him whether he wanted more children when we got together.  He stated that he did.  I would not have gotten together with him if he had not been amenable - its about compatibility.
Get your depression seen to first.  Then you need to have  areally indepth talk with your husband.  If he is not willing to adopt and you want to, you have to ask yourself what is more important to you, will you be happy with him if you miss out on the opportunity of having a child , and are you being true to yourself.  I honesty wish you the best .
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
November 27, 2005, 6:42 pm PST

Cheated On

Quote From: lifebites

     I have been married for 10 years and found out that my high school sweethearts has cheated on me.  I have always believed that we are soul mates and we could do anything together.  I found out by cell phone records that she had been talking to a friend of mine for almost a year.  When I confronted her about it she got mad and wanted to know how I found out.  She said that they meet at a park a couple of times and kissed and that was all.  We have two kids together 3 and 6, we parent great together, we have a very successful business, and a very well respected people in the community.  This relationship ended by itself (don't know how?) but the same month that it ended she started talking to another one of my friends.  I caught her after a month and a half.  First she lied and said it was a friends number, then I said I know how it is.  She said  nothing happened and that they were just friends.  I am so confused as to how someone I love and trust so much could hurt me so bad.  I love her with all my heart, but I feel broken inside and I don't trust her anymore.  I am a good man and would never cheat on her, and never have. 

Please help me with why she did this.

 

 I think your partner is the only person who can tell you why she did this.  Maybe she doesn't even know why.  You two have to decide where to from here.  If you both want to continue with your relationship, you both have a lot of work to do.  I think the most important people involved in this are your children.  You need to do what is best for them.
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
November 27, 2005, 7:37 pm PST

The Other Woman

Quote From: mrs_affair

Hey, I'm back again!  Well...although me and the OM haven't slept together again since the last incident, we've been talking on the phone like we are friends or something!  I still want him more than ever and I feel very confused.  When I hear his voice I just melt!  My husband and I aren't having any problems or anything so I don't know what is wrong with me!!!  I wasn't ready for it to end...but will I ever be? 
 Your marriage is  not going well.  You haven't addressed your problems and you are still having contact with the OM.  Have no contact with him - thats my advice.
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
November 29, 2005, 12:35 pm PST

Betrayal

Quote From: bellacoo

I recently realized that my best friend of 7 years wasn't a true friend after all. 

I recently broke up with my boyfriend of 4 years because of her. 

My boyfriend and were having problems and he went to her to talk to but instead of talking to me about the problems that we were having decided that she would be better.  She was always involved in our problems and believes every fight we have is always about her.
I never had the guts to tell her to step back and stay out of our problems because i thought she was being a good friend however her and my boyfriend started to get close and he realized that he had feelings for her. 

So due to the lack of communication and lack of love in our relationship we broke up. 

Instead of being there for me she was there for him and when i needed a shoulder to cry on she wasn't there. 

Finally when confronted by myself she said "i didn't come to see you and wasn't there for you because..."  my ex-boyfriend had told her not to come near me. 

This caused me great pain and for this reason i realized she wasn't a good and true friend. 

Now my ex and i have gotten back together but we are having the same problems as before due to her interference. 

  

Any advice on how to save my relationship with my friend and boyfriend would greatly be appreciated. 

  

 Personally, i would get rid of both of them!  Their actions are speaking louder than their words!  Neither of these two are putting boundaries around their relationship with you to keep it safe, to meet your needs.  Neither of them sounds trustworthy - your friend wasn't there when you needed her and I think you realise this.  You say that your boyfriend goes to your friend with your relationship problems - that is just inviting trouble.  Seriously, you deserve better than that!
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
December 5, 2005, 1:23 pm PST

The Other Woman

Quote From: lenamom

Was it he Ruby slippers and yellow brick road?  The geographical thing with kansas? I guess us betrayed spouses  have no say on this message board.  I honestly put my feelings out there and somewhere in this site. Someone, deemed theirselves higher. I didn't say anything that hadn't been said.  Mine came with feeling and hurt.  Trying to express how shallow I view everyone to be.  When you allow this to happen.  The truly incredible fact, is that not one person on her or any other site related tot his issue can ever truly place thereselves in the betrayed spouses shoes. I devoted my life to my husband, I knew he was my soul mate.  is that  iWhat I learned n hope have s of finding my Romeo.  Church, faiith, love, hope, courage and sometimes undecrible courage kept me there.. Eighteen years, four children, longing for their father. Yet, you people see fit to erase my message because it had geographical references. xp . Either way, I stick to my guns. When you mess with a married or other wise involved person, it always starts wiht an initial attraction.  'what you learn from them after that and what you take from it is totally your responsiblitiy.  You cannot deny that you chase that which presents a challenge;  Lions do it all the time.  'when they see weakness in the pride they will do the best to conquer and destroy and ultimately be the king or queen.  In humans rarely is the rogue or offending female the winner.     

Defeat is not an option, but winning, well, that makes king or queen.   The outsider is almost always defeated. Move on o/w and o/m.  You were losers even before you started to play. 

I am sorry that you have been so hurt too.  With all due respect, I am wondering if this message board is the right place for you to get some support - it seems to be fuelling your hurt rather than helping you.    I would really like to respond to some of your comments but I don't think that  would be helpful to you either.
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
December 9, 2005, 6:37 pm PST

The Other Woman

Quote From: lenamom

Read the quote I made to mis2005, it was meant in response to you. I have started college classes. I have to write an essay. I have chosen extramarrital affairs as my topic. My instructor was very supportive, I don't want to let her down. I want to touch on all sides. The betrayed, the betrayer and the other woman. Thank you for apologizing for what somebody else helped do to my family. You don't know me, I don't know you, but that does not  mean we are enemies.  Since, D-day I have spent a considerable amount of time trying to help myself heal. (Other women) might think this is a waste of time or that it will reap no reward, but ask yourselves, are you wasting your time. My husband broke the affair off as soon as I found out. His merry land was thrown into turmoil. Imagine, not only, having to face your wife, but your children. They are no longer babies, the youngest is 12 years old. Imagine the wife, the one that always held him and told him everthing would be alright, even after they had the worst argument they could ever have, imagine her not being able to do that, not wanting to for fear that it never mattered all the other times. Imagine, walking through the card section and not being able to do that little you always did, get him a card that expressed everything, just because. That is what I had. That is what most of us had. How we react to finding out is what you base your knowledge on. You can't go by what  he says. He says he loves you, he wants to be with you and he doesn't love her anymore. But that is not what he means, he does love her, even if it is not love by your standards. You can't change that. Being patient, understanding, hopeful only makes you more vunerable to his lies and deceit. What she does with that is her business, it always has been, no matter how much he tries to hand it off.  Your position will never change. You will always be the "other woman."  She will always be the first, and if she has kids with him. Well, she isn't going anywhere far away from your reality.
 Wow.  I find your response to be totally out of proportion to what I have said.  My expereince was such that I met a man who pursued me and I became involved with him after asking him numerous times how the relationship with the mother of his children was.  I have, in writing, him saying that they are only parents.  He took me to meet his parents,stayed at his place which was devoid of any of her personal effects,  I met all of his friends - even one of her cousins, and no -one told me they were still involved.  I found out when she texted me and I ended it.  Then she took it on herself to harass me at work and at home.  I had to go to the police and was unable to respond to all the harassing.  I liked a lot of things about this man.  The ow sees the things in him that you do.  The ow has hopes for her own future, she trusts him just like you do.  Your email could in fact be reversed - he says he loves you (his wife).  As I have said repeatedly, the person who strays is the person who is doing the most wrong.  My expereince showed that the "wife" has to blame someone to enable her to take him back.  If its all the ow 's fault then you don't have to look at yourself or accept him for what he is " he was tempted, she broke up our relationship etc".  .The thing that angers me about you is that you are taking out your frustrations on every person here. We are not your husband, we are not the ow involved in your life. We are on this message board because it is a place of support for the ow - thats what the thread is about.  I am in a relationship with a man who is not perfect but I know he would never cheat on me.  I would never stay with anyone who did it either.  I deserve better than that and I believe in pure love - if you love someone you don't stray, even through the hard times.
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
December 9, 2005, 10:28 pm PST

Read what I have said before replying

Quote From: lenamom

First, let me clarify something for you. This is not the only site I visit for my healing. And what you said was only I am sorry you were hurt so bad. You didn't give any details on your situation. So, now you want to justify your actions by saying My expereince was such that I met a man who pursued me and I became involved with him after asking him numerous times how the relationship, with the mother of his children was. It isn't even apparent to you how the words you choose help to make you feel better about yourself. What you fail to believe, is that it can happen to you. To quote you "she took it upon herself to harrass you at work and home." Well, you took it upon yourself to mess with her husband! When will you women learn? "The other woman sees all the things in him you do." No NO No, again No NO NO,  wake up and smell the coffee. Find yourself someone that doesn't have a history. Start fresh with that person, stay with him through tons of deployments, late hours and mood swings. Stay married to him for at least 5-up years and have your knock down drag out fights, that you know are because both of you are at fault.  And then let him turn around and screw with some other person that has as much low self-esteem as him and then lets see what you do. I said the same thing. I let him come back and now 1 year later I don't care about him anymore. I want out. He can't stand the thought. She disgusted him he says, she meant nothing he says, I was screwed in my head he says, IOVE YOU AND ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL. I have read that it is a no win situation. And it is true. You go ahead and make all the excuses you want. Tell yourself all the little sweet, smoochie things you can handle about this sick individual that took you to meet his family. You think that meant so much? He married this woman, had kids with her, vowed to always hold her dear. He screws around on her, breaking all their vows for some little romp and you think that taking you to meet his parents, friends and her cousin would be beyond him!!??  And as for family, well, do you really think that mom and dad are going to chastize him in front of you. Do you really think that they have any control over what he does. Honey, they are going to support him any way he needs them to, no matter what they think. And I wouldn't put to much confidence in his friends or her "cousin."  Cousins aren't always of the most trustworthy in a family chain. In fact , they are the easiest broken. So, you are right I was hurt, but I wouldn't put it quite that mild. That is where your kind show their true colors. You knew what you were getting into and if you didn't then you had better have learned something. As for me my wounds go much deeper than "being hurt." Your mother can hurt you, your siblings can hurt you, co-workers hurt you. What happens to us the spouse, goes far deeper than anything you are experiencing. So, don't ever try to compare yourself to us!  That is, unless you plan on or hope to be us, one day.
 You are not reading what I have written and i find that very frustrating!  My point is that I did not know he was still involved with her - no-one told me, including him!  My reference to meeting his family and children is about  the level of his deception and their supporting his disception, and why I had no idea about his situation.  Furthermore, knowing what this man is like there is no way I would want to be with him.  Are you  also suggesting that I should  not have got involved with a man who has children by your comment that I should start afresh? My partner now has children and I have no problems at all and communicate with his ex.  I can promise you that will not happen to me because I have chosen my partner very, very carefully.  I no way do I feel bad about myself because of what happened to me - I took all possible procautions and thats all I could do.  I am not a mindreader and I am not responsible for someone elses lies - that is what bothers me about your comments when you have not read what I have said.  His partner (he is not married to her - not that I think that matters) had no right to treat me like she did.  Its like you, taking out all your frustration on me.  "It is your kind that show their true colours"  Yet another point, you don't even know me and you say things like this.  And yes, he is a sick individual - thats about the only thing I agree with.  An idea - perhaps you should get the full information before you make comments like you have to me.
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
December 10, 2005, 1:50 pm PST

The Other Woman

Quote From: lenamom

First, let me clarify something for you. This is not the only site I visit for my healing. And what you said was only I am sorry you were hurt so bad. You didn't give any details on your situation. So, now you want to justify your actions by saying My expereince was such that I met a man who pursued me and I became involved with him after asking him numerous times how the relationship, with the mother of his children was. It isn't even apparent to you how the words you choose help to make you feel better about yourself. What you fail to believe, is that it can happen to you. To quote you "she took it upon herself to harrass you at work and home." Well, you took it upon yourself to mess with her husband! When will you women learn? "The other woman sees all the things in him you do." No NO No, again No NO NO,  wake up and smell the coffee. Find yourself someone that doesn't have a history. Start fresh with that person, stay with him through tons of deployments, late hours and mood swings. Stay married to him for at least 5-up years and have your knock down drag out fights, that you know are because both of you are at fault.  And then let him turn around and screw with some other person that has as much low self-esteem as him and then lets see what you do. I said the same thing. I let him come back and now 1 year later I don't care about him anymore. I want out. He can't stand the thought. She disgusted him he says, she meant nothing he says, I was screwed in my head he says, IOVE YOU AND ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL. I have read that it is a no win situation. And it is true. You go ahead and make all the excuses you want. Tell yourself all the little sweet, smoochie things you can handle about this sick individual that took you to meet his family. You think that meant so much? He married this woman, had kids with her, vowed to always hold her dear. He screws around on her, breaking all their vows for some little romp and you think that taking you to meet his parents, friends and her cousin would be beyond him!!??  And as for family, well, do you really think that mom and dad are going to chastize him in front of you. Do you really think that they have any control over what he does. Honey, they are going to support him any way he needs them to, no matter what they think. And I wouldn't put to much confidence in his friends or her "cousin."  Cousins aren't always of the most trustworthy in a family chain. In fact , they are the easiest broken. So, you are right I was hurt, but I wouldn't put it quite that mild. That is where your kind show their true colors. You knew what you were getting into and if you didn't then you had better have learned something. As for me my wounds go much deeper than "being hurt." Your mother can hurt you, your siblings can hurt you, co-workers hurt you. What happens to us the spouse, goes far deeper than anything you are experiencing. So, don't ever try to compare yourself to us!  That is, unless you plan on or hope to be us, one day.
 I have decided not to respond to your comments anymore.
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
December 14, 2005, 5:52 pm PST

Thank you

Quote From: cityborn

Ladies,  

  

Lenamom may find this hard to believe, but I not only feel her pain and badly for HER, but I also feel badly for Mellynz.  If this man outwardly LIED to her, and she believed she was involved with a "free" man, then she is a VICTIM as well. Granted, they were not married and she hadn't experienced all the sacrifices for this man a wife makes thru years of marriage---------but, she was deceived too.   

I know there are heartless OW out there, who intentionally go after married men. Some do it for the shear thrill of having someone else's man.....and Lenamom, THOSE women I hate just as much as you seem to......and I think the utter disgust you emit in your posts to Mellynz is really aimed toward women like THAT.  OW who knowingly get involved with married men, and continue their involvement solely for their own selfish gratification will one day know the meaning of "what goes around, comes around".   As low as that may seem, it's the married man (or woman) who cheats and lies to his spouse ......now THAT'S the real scum !   Why would ANY wife want a man like that ?  

There wouldn't be any ow if commited men could keep their pants zipped. 

 You have summed up exactly what I have been trying to say! x
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
December 22, 2005, 9:04 am PST

Thank you too

Quote From: ritehere

 Lenamom, you insist on being RIGHT in this arguement with mellynz. And mellynz truly feels that she was duped by this married man, (who she dumped as soon as she found out.) She feels RIGHT about her position too. No doubt mellynz harbors some feelings of guilt over her inability to know a liar and cheat when she saw one, but she does not feel guilt over being lied to by this guy, he did that, not her.
 I have to ask you, what is your goal in trying to get mellynz to admit to a guilt she does not and should not own? We all make mistakes, and mellynz took charge of hers instantly, instead of letting her feelings for this jerk convince her that it would all work out OK, somehow.
What is it about her story that rankles so? Would getting her to "confess" that she is in the wrong help you in any way? Is being RIGHT going to make something "right" in your life?

 Lenamom is reading what she wants to into what I have said.  She is making serious assumptions and transferring her own issues onto every word I have written.  If you read her  posts to others you will see this is a familiar theme in all her comments to people.  My view is that she is just looking for others to attack in order to make herself feel better. My reason for not continuing my discussion with her is that she does not register what is being said and it is therefore pointless. I will let her continue with her little fantasies. She needs to take control of herself and her life and begin her healing process, hence my original suggestion that this site may not be helpful for her as it is aggravating her. This site is a support place for the ow to comment - there is a general thread for infidelity.   What does lenamom get out of keeping herself angry I wonder?  How does it help her by attacking people she doesn't even know?  She must be getting something out of it.  I totally agree with you there.

My comments are also motivated by my own personal experience, and I acknowledge that.  I just would like the people who are responsible in affairs to shoulder that - in my case the cheating man who left everyone else to clean up his mess.

I can't change the situation I was in but I sure as heck have done something differently this time around. You can't change what happens to you but you can control how you deal with it.  Thats what Lenamom needs to do.  Interestingly enough, I have been with my partner for over 2 years now so my ow experience was some time ago.


 

First Page | Previous Page | 1 | Next Page | Last Page
Return to Message Board