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November 29, 2005, 6:30 pm PST

Make your choices Mark

I wonder how a mother could ask her son to pay for the divorce from his father, who left his son the money she is asking he use to pay ... the father who is dead to pay for her divorce from himself ... and I notice although she did offer to pay her parents back, she did not do so, and she has not offered to pay Mark back. Yet, Tracy thinks she can make better financial choices for Mark. Having never met her, I wonder how much your mother feels she deserves part the money left by your father for having put up with him before the divorce, that she may feel she should be entitled as she would have been if she were still his wife when he passed away. If only she would have known he would die so young, would she have stayed with him?? I am sorry your mother choses to behave this way in the wake of your loss. I am so sorry for your loss of your father Mark, he left all he has to you. Money can not be enough to fill the void where a person was, and even though it was not a part of the show, whatever that relationship was, you have a loss, and it can not be any consolation to have issues arise with your mother over your fathers money, to fall on top of his passing away. If you were to blow your entire inheritence, the world would not end, you would just learn some life lessons. When you get your fathers money back, I hope you do not need to go through hard lessons. Think about investing most of it into the future, but have a minor portion for you to enjoy now. Allow yourself to make decisions, even if they do not work out perfect, so you can grow as an adult. At 19 you have been given an opportunity to make decisions that people four times your age never made, possibly even your mom. These need to be your decisions to make, as what you decide to do now will build on future financial decisions you will be making. These are the type of decisions that you can not put off learning to make until your mom passes too. Young man, it has fallen to you to grow and stretch now, because circumstance dictates you not wait until your 20's are upon you. Your father has given all he has over to you now. Do not cower from your choices to make, but find reliable mentors who can give you reliable information. If mom has never done it, then she does not have the information you need. It may not be easy, but it will be worth it in the long run to go through this time and learn and grow.
 
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November 29, 2005, 8:05 pm PST

11/29 "Fighting Over the Will"

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I am totally disgusted  by the mother and daughter worried about their inheritance and the poor woman isn't even dead! My mom died in 1999 and for years before she died she told me she felt bad for me because once she was gone, all my sisters and brother would be fighting me for what little she had to leave in life. She was so right, with the exception that they didn't wait til she died as she had thought. In 1983 my mother made her will and left her house to myself and my husband. She left money to the others.  In 1987 I divorced and my mom never changed her will. My sisters were always telling her to change her will and take my ex out of it. She refused as my ex was more of a son to my mom than her own children, other than myself.  She trusted my ex to do the right thing and give me his share of the home which he always said he would do. My mom retired in 1992 at age 69 after waitressing for more than 45 years of her life. At that point she sold her car and quit driving. I shopped, banked, took my mom to and from her Dr. apt. helped her write her bills out each month, and even moved back into her home at her request to take care of her (her biggest fear was growing old and being placed in a retirement home). My sisters, one of which lived within 5 miles went for months at a time without talking to my mom. My brother who lived a few hundred miles away hadn't seen or talked to my mom in 10 years. But when she had a stroke in 1999 they were all there in less than 2 days, hired a lawyer (a friend to one) and were going to have a new will drawn up and have it dated before my moms stroke. When I said I wouldn't be a part of this I was threatened by all of them, and was blamed for her stroke by all of them.  My mom died a few months later in o "home" they had placed her in. They immediatly contested her will and after 3 long years because I could not afford an attorney they were able to sell her home and in the end I got $48,000, my ex got $94,000 and they each got about 30,000. my ex kept his shere entirely and no longer has any contact with myself or my 20 year old daughter (his first born), but he has a much bigger house, a Harley, and new jet ski's, while our daughter works full time because we can't afford college. The home that was sold for $200,000 is now worth $650,000 but they all made sure I didn't get it as my mom wanted me to. And with all said the only part I care about is that I miss my mom. I'd give it all and more to have her back. I miss her EVERY day of my life. The peace of mind I have is that I knew my mom loved me and my daughter with all her heart while she was alive and she knew that we loved her just as much. She could not say the same about her other 4 children. I 

I wish the daughter and grandaughter would love the mom while she IS here and don't worry about what is there when she is gone. It is hers, she worked for it, maybe they should try the same. 

I have not talked to or heard from any of my sisters since 1999 and hope that I never do again.  

My mother died of brain cancer. My uncle, my son and myself were with her in her home when she passed, and had helped taking care of her. my 3 brothers and my sister planned to come to see her, all arriving Wednesday and Thursday the week she died. I had called my siblings for many days before she died letting them know she was going soon, and would not be here when they arrived, I told them they needed to come sooner. Not one changed plans, but were in time for the funeral. After the funeral when the will was read all the vultures showed for what they were. They were more interested in what they wanted to take home then anything. They left and not one helped to clean and sort her leftover items. My mom was a packrat so this took some doing. My sister as executor recieved a lease payment on moms property while in probate and kept it for herself. I found this out later. I saw so much ugliness in each of them that I, as this totally disqusted writer and her family, in the end of it all have chosen to stay the hell away from them. They had been destructive influences even prior to moms passing, though it became so vivid afterward. Not everyone has a family that is worth mending fences for. I often have to grieve the people I wish they were, but they are not. I can not ignore the manipulative selfish greedy people they are. Be careful who you tell family is worth the trouble to build back relationships with, sometimes they aren't
 
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November 29, 2005, 11:23 pm PST

11/29 "Fighting Over the Will"

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Tracy only wanted to limit her son's access to his money so that she can spend it. She has proven that already. If she was that worried about him spending it she would have put restrictions until he was 25, or something of that nature, and not made it accessible to herself.   It's not her money!! She divorced Mark's father and lost her right to that money. People these days worry me. What is the world coming to? What makes people honestly think that money matters more than family?!!!Without family you have nothing. Thank you Dr.Phil, "There is not enough money in the world...".Get a job and take care of yourself. We, as parents, are supposed to take care of and protect our children not the other way around!
I wonder how much of that money has been spent besides Tracy hiring a lawyer to declare her 19 year old son incompetent? Was a mistake to put into a joint account with anyone. Mark needs to find a good financial planner and learn as much as he can on his options, but the longer the money is in moms hands, the less he will have. He may have to sue her to get back what she has spent, after all, she did not pay her parents back anything after her divorce from the sound of it, why not a little at a time until the debt was paid? Tracy does not sound much better to me than the daughter and granddaughter of Aileen. She wants the money left by her ex-husband, she didn't want to stay married for it. Tracy, what a mooch, off your son and his dead father.
 
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November 29, 2005, 11:27 pm PST

11/29 "Fighting Over the Will"

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It seems to me from what's going on on the show that Tracy is upset because she didn't get any of the money. Well lady, you got a divorce, so that's it. The money is your son's, and he's a legal adult so leave him alone. I think she's resentful and feels like the money should be hers since she was married to the dad.  

She's ridiculous for trying to get her son judged incompetent. And her divorce expenses are hers, not his. Let the kid get his inheritance!  

  

Well said, I agree completely
 
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November 29, 2005, 11:56 pm PST

11/29 "Fighting Over the Will"

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What an interesting topic and even moreso because I live in Saskatchewan.  The daughter Davene and granddaughter Amber came across as selfish, vindictive,  and uncaring towards their grandmother, Aileen. Aileen came across as extremely bright, well-informed, and shrewd when it comes to dealing with these two women.  

  

If grandpa wanted his daughter to own half the farm, he certainly had the opportunity to include her in his will.  He did not, maybe for obvious reasons.  I am curious as to what energy and resources Davene and Amber are devoting to their own self-sufficiency besides making the grandmother's last years of life a living hell.  

  

May I also make a prediction?  Some day in the future when grandmother Aileen is gone, Davene and Amber will be at each other's throats, fighting each other for control and power of the assets.  You reap what you sow! 

Ahh, but does the granddaughter understand she has to wait in line behind mom??? It will not be hers, and if mom begins selling and developing, and spending and spending.... perhaps they do not understand money can run right through their greedy fingers, and disappear. Did for my siblings, I invested. So these lovely ladies may have a fate like in kind to my sibs.
 
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November 30, 2005, 12:06 am PST

11/29 "Fighting Over the Will"

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My mom passed away two months ago and she left a trust leaving all of her monetary assets to be divided equally between the four of us children.  She made my sister the trustee because she was the only one that lived there.  The last two years she has visited my mother in the nursing home daily, picked things up at the store for her and helped out in many ways.  None of them monetary.  Before that mom lived in a house where my sister also lived and was able to get back on her feet living rent and utility free.  Mom complained that she didn't help out with the house payment, didn't clean or cook or help out.  We were glad though that someone was there to look out after her if something happened. 

As soon as the burial service was over we were brought in with a financial adviser and we went over the trust.  No lawyer was present.  My sister immediately stated that she wanted the house (valued at $45,000-$50,000).  My other two siblings said that she could have their share, they didn't want to bother with fixing it up (they are both worth over a million dollars anyway).  I said I wanted to think about it and my sister immediately blew up calling me names, said I was never there to help out, which wasn't true.  I kept saying I wanted to wait, it had been a very difficult last couple of weeks but under pressure I said ok, I would sign over my share.  Nothing was said about the car or household items and momentos.  I would assume that my sister could take the car and other things but I want pictures and momemtos and am having second thoughts about signing over my share of the house. Especially since there has been no communication as to dividing up the checking account after the hospital bill, taxes and other things are paid (there is around $50,000 in the account).  I have questions about life insurance and dividing up things and feel if I sign I will never get anything other than what was intended in the trust.  I also feel that it isn't what my mother wanted and as trustee my sister should do what mom wanted her to do.  Mom always said she wanted us not to fight and she always would always treat us fairly.  Mom had her brother as trustee until less than a year ago.  Her brother passed away and she didn't know who to have. She always said she didn't want one of us kids to be a trustee because of the danger of fighting. I don't know what to do. 

my sister intimidated me into signing without getting my questions answered, and having issues over the breakdown of amounts, I later found out she kept a lease payment of over 17,000 that should have been divided 4 ways. It was not her only indescretion in the process of executorship, it was the largest. You might want to consider legal guidance, and also whether the cost to the relationships in the future is worth it to you, or if the damage will be there no matter what route you take. I do not contact my sister for any reason, there is nothing healthy for me in that relationship.
 
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November 30, 2005, 12:09 am PST

11/29 "Fighting Over the Will"

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I hope Aileen watches the show and decides to leave her farm to a local shelter or some other more deserving endeavor than her daughter and granddaughter. Or, hopefully, they watch and see themselves as we saw them. 

  

The other family is equally sad. The son will likely blow the money but it's HIS to blow. His mom should just go back to being a mother. Perhaps if she concentrated on loving her son, she could gently sway him into spending and saving wisely but it appears as though she's mainly interested in getting it for herself.... pathetic. 

  

When my dad died, my sisters and I only hoped my mom would use what she had to enjoy life. We asked her not to sell their home but she decided to do so and then we all argued with her when she insisted on splitting the gains 5 ways with an equal share for her and all 4 of her daughters. We would rather have seen her use the money to travel but it gave her pleasure to see us get a few extras in our own lives. When mom died, the 4 of us sat and sorted her things with much tears and laughter. Things were shared equally with small tokens reserved for her precious friends and family. There was no arguing or ill will and the most precious things she left were the hoard of cards we had all sent her through her life. She'd written notes on each card and none of us were aware of them until after she passed. Myself and my 3 wonderful sisters rely on each other for support and love and laughter and I can't imagine any amount of money or pieces of jewelry that would have been worth breaking those ties!!! 

  

http://www.hugkiss.com/mom/membox.html 

This is the story of what my mom left to us... much more precious than the money or the jewelry was :) 

thank you for the http address, it was refreshing in lew of the topic today. I also like the paperweight story. :>))
 
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December 3, 2005, 1:42 am PST

11/28 Conception Deception

Quote From: blouic

Thank you for your words of appreciation and support.  I'm glad someone gets it--and hope many will benefit.  I'm so glad to hear that yours is a survivor story!  Keep striving!!!  May Healing and peace stay with you.  Let's keep this string of support going...more people will have to get it...it'll have to click with them sometime!
Thank you, I have clicked "Search Boards" and I have great admiration for your sharing, your eloquence AND your patience. Bless you. I can tell you have been deep inside yourself, and see others clearer because of that. There is great courage in healing. Deciding to take the unknown pathway away from abuse is frightening and exciting, like dying and being born in one single step. After walking 20 years, I say that step is worth more than anything that came before. Not easy, but worth it.
 
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December 6, 2005, 12:33 am PST

11/28 Conception Deception

Quote From: judyblue22

That's funny-you previously said that an unplanned pregnancy derailed your whole life and prevented you from having other children-yet you say that you don't think that a pregnancy affects the father?
Exactly!! But is this because of another imaginary story? Such as the imaginary tales at his fathers' knee? How would we know?
 
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December 6, 2005, 1:17 am PST

11/28 Conception Deception

Quote From: azwoman

That's not true. 

  

So many women don't report. So many men don't report. There's so much shame and questioning one's self. The victim victimizes his/herself. They want to ignore it. They want it to go away. It's hard to live with sexual assualt. 

  

(Sexual harassment typically veers more to words. And it's not any better. It's just a violating. Sometimes more so because who's at fault gets more distorted than ever.) 

  

Reading through your messages... I have to wonder... I only know one type of person who makes these statements. The psychology of that person... well, it's pretty much a consensus. 

aye! joining the consensus.
 

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