Messages By: llilfarfa

Quote From: sassie431

I think neither should be taught in school. It should be taught at home.

Quote From: ritehere

 I've been out of school for many many years, but the teacher I remember the most was a high school Literature teacher. Mr Berg ran several thinking exercises on us during the course of the year which I have never forgotten.
In one, we were all persuaded that a particular poem was a famous, well-liked one that we were asked to interpret. In fact it was garbage, the "author" was Mr Berg's name spelled backward and we all fell for it! Lesson being, if it has no meaning for you, don't waste your time or money just because someone else says it does. Another one had the whole class voting to switch to communism because it would "eliminate" poverty and conflicts arising from differences in religion and income classes. There were others too. They were the most valuable lessons I've ever had. I can always look up a history fact or a math formula should I need it, but the idea to research and form my own opinions is priceless. Since I can't thank Mr Berg, I will thank you.

Quote From: purplepain

You are a teacher and you  have that small and ignorant of a view on evolution? GEEEEZE...THAT is one HUGE problem with our schools. You are a teacher and you don't even know what the scientific meaning of the word "theory" is!!!!!!

Are YOU as a teacher prepared to teach EVERY CREATION STORY EVERY RELIGION HAS TO OFFER? OR JUST THE CHRISTIAN ONE!!!!!!!!????????????!!!!!

Are you prepared to teach about terot cards? Telepathy? Dream interpretation? Palm reading? Remote viewing? ESP? Precognition? Telekinesis? Luck? Pyramidology? Tea leaves? Phrenology?

All of these have as much evidence as ID...The theory of evolution is backed by piles upon piles and thousands and hundreds of thousands of pieces of evidence.

If you care for a lesson on it I would be willing to teach you.

Quote From: purplepain

What *I* personally ask of teachers is to teach the facts. I would also love for there to be a critical thinking class required in high schools. To teach skepticism, logic and reason.

But I think if you stick with facts then the people who give you a hard time are simply and obviously boobs.

Quote From: purplepain

What *I* personally ask of teachers is to teach the facts. I would also love for there to be a critical thinking class required in high schools. To teach skepticism, logic and reason.

But I think if you stick with facts then the people who give you a hard time are simply and obviously boobs.

Quote From: purplepain

Again, you do not understand the word "THEORY"...

 

Quote From: purplepain

I have a problem with religion being taught during science class.

There is no evidence of Creationism at all. Not one lousy shred. Not one iota. Not a microbe of evidence. Sorry...NONE.

I don't care how many millions of people believe in something, IT DOES NOT BELONG IN SCIENCE CLASS.

Evolution, for all intents and purposes of a layman IS fact.

If you want to get into an actual discussion about evolution we can. I can teach  you a lot. Evolution IS a fact. It's a fact as much as gravity.  I'd be glad to get into a discussion with you. It would be fun. So if you want, I'm totally up for it. :)

Maybe you can start by showing me some of this "evidence" about creationism...that would be fun. I dare you to find ONE piece of evidence.

In a government class it is appropriate to discuss pretty much anything. Science is precise, like math.  Should we teach that 2+4=7435 in math class? Because there is as much evidence to back that up as there is creationism.  Science is about the scientific method and supernatural things cannot be tested using the scientific method.

And I have a question...if we teach creationism in science class are you willing to also teach that 75 million years ago, there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu who was in charge of 76 planets in our part of the galaxy, including our own planet Earth, whose name at that time was Teegeeack? This is the story that Scientoligist believe...it has as much evidence as creationism...should we teach story in science class?

Quote From: purplepain

It's also a "god of the gaps" argument, that's as weak as a straw-man.

Quote From: purplepain

It's also a "god of the gaps" argument, that's as weak as a straw-man.

Quote From: julie1418

ummmm.....I am not an atheist, and I'm not sure what your point is. There is a BIG difference between not shooting down a child's belief in God and actively teaching creationism in a science classroom. I often had to teach things that could run contrary to a child's belief system...it wasn't that difficult to respect religion without teaching, or "giving a nod", to it. You can tell a child that there is not enough scientific evidence to support Creationism to call it factual, despite the fact that many people believe in it. You can also stress that you do not need the child to BELIEVE in Evolution over Creationism, but the child does need to understand Evolution as part of science.

 

Are you sure you understand what constitutes a fact? Your examples are weak or flat out wrong. It was NEVER a FACT in Hitler's Germany that Jews were the source of evil....it may have been a widely held belief, but that does not constitute a fact. If I were to say, Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player ever, that also is NOT a fact. It may be true, it may be widely believed, but there is not a measurement system for "greatest player". If I wanted to illustrate his greatness in terms of factual evidence, I would have to provide a statistic, most points, most championships, most MVPs, whatever....and even then, the statistics may be factual, but the term greatest player is still just an opinion.

 

Same thing with the Earth being flat...there was NO evidence to support it, it was never measured or seen. So using the scientific basis for what constitutes a fact, the Earth being flat was merely a widely held belief.