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January 4, 2006, 3:54 pm PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

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Cursed, a curse is either powered by the one who cast it. or powered by the one who it was cast apon. In these cases bad luck and happening are powered by the one who is cast apon. That is some one told you you was cursed, and you believed them.....and thats where the curse gets powered by. The worst thing you can do, believe every thing some one tell you. And that kind of curse is really the easier type of curseing. because it would be a self propeled powered. (not that i do curseings. just i heard so many storys of what happened about them) and i could go on and on. 

By changing ones thought, this curse is no more, if you still believe your cursed..... and thinking positively. Ok, easier said then done.  _ 

 
Let me go on a tangent here for a moment.

::smacks forehead:: Okay, I'm all for people practicing their religion and all that, but just so you know  most people who write about  the Wiccan religion and talk about it  have NO idea what's going on.  They practice it because it's trendy.  That's the sad truth there, and most people who are gothic are POSERS, they look the look and talk the talk, but have NO idea about the lifestyle or the REAL outlook on life.

I am a Role-Playing Gamer (D&D , World of Darkness, etc), and I live the gamer lifestyle.  You wouldn't believe how many people I meet that CLAIM to to be Pagan and have NO idea what they believe or WHY.  You also wouldn't believe the number of people I meet that SWEAR they are psychic, mediums, have been possessed, or whatever else.   You know what, the people who broadcast it are more than likely NOT legitimate, that's what I've learned.

Now as for "curses".  Human beings often attribute the bad and unexplainable things in their life to supernatural powers.  I can agree that a "curse" only has the power you give it., that's simply self fullfilling prophecy.   If you believe bad things will happen than that's what you get.  
 
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January 5, 2006, 9:29 am PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

Quote From: elffie

Well, I don't think I have ever met anyone that has been cursed.  Bad luck?  Sure.  We all go through a  time when luck is not by our side.  Possessed?  Possibly.  Maybe some people can be possessed.  I think if you think you are cursed then you think that you are cursed.  Anyone ever heard of Karma?  Maybe that has something to do with it, I really don't know.  How the subject got turned to Wicca and Paganism, I don't know.  I guess it goes back to when people were taught that witches put curses on people and that Pagans were evil.  I can tell you that I have looked into Wicca, not because it's "trendy" but because I was interested.  I am not Wiccan, I am Pagan.  And I can tell you that I know exactly why I chose this religion.  It has been around before Christianity.  so many people worshiped the sun and the moon and the seasons because that is what they saw.   I believe in this religion because it goes along with all the things that I believed as a child.  There is a God(Sun) and a Goddess(Moon)  and it is not a strict religion, it does not make threats or bully us to believe something.  And in the end there is a reward, for we live our lives by respecting and helping and not being judmental toward others.  Your comments about people being posers is exactly why I do not share this with everyone.  Sure, there are people who are not legitimate, I just felt I needed to put my two cents in also and let people know that it is highly doubtful that people can be cursed.  I think maybe it has something to do with superstition.
 Well the whole conversation about Paganism and Wicca got started because someone said they  studied it, and I was just tryign to get across they better be careful what they read, because a lot of it is pure JUNK.  It's written by people with NO understanding of anthropology or history. Now, I will say that some of the literature on Wicca and Paganism is insightful, but again most of it is garbage.

Now the fact that you can tell me what you believe and why explains to me that, "Okay, this person is actually following this particualr spiritual path legitimately"  but of all the people I  meet, you're in the minority hun, and good gor you. :)

You'll also find that MOST of the world's religions  have the same theme "Don't be a jerk to other people." and  "You'll get what you deserve in the end". 
 
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January 5, 2006, 9:39 am PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

Quote From: kitashla

 I think they missed something when helping Holly with her problem.  (The woman who experiences horrifying nightmares.)

Sleep Paralysis.  What she experiences is almost word for word what one experiences during sleep paralysis.

I've suffered from it for years.  I've often had horrifying nightmares of demons and evil, waking up to feel demonic presences over me and pushing on me, being unable to cry out or talk or even move, or yelling once I finally pull myself out of it.  Hearing the sound of demonic voices around my head and feeling an overwhelming sense of doom and evil.

It's horrifying and for years I also thought I was haunted by demons.  (It didn't help that I was raised in a pentacostal household where even my toys were apparently possessed by demons.)

It wasn't until someone told me about sleep paralysis that it all made sense.  The episodes are still terrifying, but I can now go to sleep afterwards.  I no longer have trouble sleeping for days because of them.  Knowing what was wrong has given me a great sense of peace.

The problem is that there isn't necessarily a fool proof  way to get rid of sleep paralysis.  There are some drugs that seem to work, but it isn't 100%.  I'm concerned that Holly will try these "visualization" methods and be dismayed when they don't work.  That it will more firmly place in her mind that she is haunted by demons when she simply is experience extreme amounts of stress and/or sleep deprivation.  (That's usually what triggers mine.)

The relief I felt when I realized it wasn't demons and that everything, for what it's worth, was normal was exhilirating.  I don't want anyone else who suffers from this to be any more scared than they have to be.
 I think you've touched on something here.  That's why earlier I said people with these problems need to be evaluted for pyschological and physical problems.  I used to think I saw ghosts, heard voices, etc... Then my Dr. found out I have narcolepsy which can cause things called "hynogogic hallucinations".  Which always seem VERY real, like a waking dream., and occur at the onset of sleep and during sleep.  Also other health problems can cause visual and auditory hallucinations durking WAKING hours.  The type of hallucinations or "visions" you suffer often mirror internal conflicts or things in your subconcious that are bothering you.  A lot of times emotions that you hold back are released and effect what you see.

I think most of the guests could benefit from a work up from a physical Dr. and a mental health professional.
 
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January 5, 2006, 7:46 pm PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

Quote From: lisamom3

I too have had many very similar episodes.  I thought it to be demonic.  I still believe it to be so, this is why, the last episode I gathered all of the energy I could muster and cried out for Jesus to help me and within one second the paralysis was lifted.  I know he helped me, it only took for me to cry out his name.  Then you might ask why me and not others?  After many days of pondering this question I truly believe that becuase I am a Christian and I love learning about God's word I may be a target.  It seems to happen most when I am upset about something and I think I am most vulnerable.  I know to many this sounds rediculous, but until you experience this horrible paralysis you wont know what I am talking about.  I am very glad that you believe medication helps but please, If it ever happens again try and ask the Lord for help.   

  

  

Well sleep disoders tend to be aggravated by stress, that is probably why you expereince this paralyisis more often then.  And yes, to me it really does sound ridiculous, but hey, you believe what you believe.  I just think you ought to have a Dr. and a psychologist take a look at you before you chalk it up to demons.

I don't believe in a God that directly intervenes in people's lives. So asking God or whatever for help with MY sleep disorder when I'm sure God has way more important things to worry about seems a little selfish, but that's just me.

You do what works for you, but hey, I'll just keep taking my meds.  They work wonders.
 
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January 5, 2006, 8:01 pm PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

Quote From: charlie75

 In the psychiatric world, Malignant Narcissists the term I would use to describe my Mother's condition, but in the realm i of spiritual acknowledgement, it would be called the spirit of Jezebel.  Regardless of what this condition is called, my mother operates in a very inhumane, selfish, undeniably unremorseful, manipulative and corrupt manner.  She is a distructive person and is much like an emotional vampire.  Possesed by Jezebel or personality disorder.... both the same to me.

My question is open to not only Dr. Phil, but anyone else who may want to shed light or their opinion.  Does anyone have any knoweledge or hands on experiance being raised by a narcissistic parent?  I am now thirty and have my own family, but the web my mother has had the power of creating is not easily dismissed or escapable.  Much damage has been done emotionally and physically to those she's fed upon.  Am I alone?
 I am so sorry you had to be raised by someone with this very serious disorder.  A freind of mine who has a B.A. in psychology  and I discussed this disease at great length.  Unfortuantely, narcissism is one of the most difficult personality disorders to correct, because the person can NOT by virtue of the disease acknowledge they have a problem, and treatment  and therapy often doesn't work.  I imagine your life with your mother must have been very difficult growing up, and you probably are very drained, hurt, and emotionally scarred from it. 

First, you have to accept there is NOTHING you can do to help your mother. Second, I would suggest going to a therapist that you can get comfortable enough with to discuss specific concerns relating to how this is affecting your life.   Get help by learning the steps you need to take to begin to give yourself control over your life and feelings.  Really listen to what the therapist tells you, and don't let him/her dismiss your feelings.

This disease is not your mother's fault, but you can't let her drag you down.  You really need to see a professional about how to free yourself from the trap you feel you're in.


 
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January 5, 2006, 10:33 pm PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

Quote From: charlie75

 Wow, thank you so much for responding and for being someone who knows what I'm talking about!  I was really afraid that someone would reply and not quite get what I was referring to. 

It has been an aweful road, terribly aweful.  I've been like this pawn intentionally brought into this world for her to feed off of.  She is the master of disguise and gets grand joy from her control and manipulations of people and the power to alter situations to her demand.  It is truely sickening. 

I have more recently stopped all contact with her.  I hope I can do it this time forever.  The web is so difficult to escape.  It's like she has us (her kids) brainwashed from birth, yet once we all got into the real world we had a revelation of just how screwed up she is. 

It's funny.  I love my mother, but on what basis?  I honestly couldn't say.  I have no reason to.  It doesn't make any sense.

When I was young I was raped by a member of the church my family made us attend.  When it went public I was quickly neglected and my mother took the limelight quickly.  Soaking up all of the people doting on her and how aweful it was that this has happened to her family.  You know... My parents didn't ask me once if I was okay or seek me couselling.  My Dad just played right into the palm of her selfish tears that eeringly made me cringe from seeing some sort of satisfaction in her eyes from it.  The church and friends ran to her wailing performance.  It is one story like this after another.

She was so tempered too.  To be challenged or unpraised was forbidden.  I can't count the times I took a trip down the stair case due to her rage of defiance.  Or how many times she would test her power of guilt and demand.  Blah blah blah....

She is a master at being a conartist.  It disgusts me that I can't get her help and try to put this family back together.  You are so right..... about the whole denial thing.  She would take it as a challenge and reason to manipulate more to her favor.  She has no remorse or feeling- it's all performance.  Most people think that I am exagerating when I say that, but they just don't get it.  She really does feel nothing for others.

By the sounds of it, you really don't need me to tell you my stories since you talked in depth with your friend.  I have just NEVER met anyone who knew what the hell I'm talking about.  It felt like my soul came alive when I read your post.  I know, corny but so true!

wow *deep breath*
*sigh*  thank you.

I would love to have counselling.  In fact I wrote into Dr. Phil to bring my family on his show over 100 times.  Then the exec. prod. Laurie called me up a few months back and tried to get us on, but my mother refused to comply.  I honestly thought Dr. Phil could help us if I could just get us all to agree to go.  He would've seen right through her, I honest ly believe that.  Well, to be completely honest, I was a lil bit worried that she could even fool him.  She is good at who she has become. 

I can't afford counselling.  God I wish I could.  It's like we are kids brought into this world and kept in an abusive cube, then when released (more like escaping) into the world we realize we have zero tools to survive.  I don't mean how to physically live.  If anything we are tuff having survived my mother.  I just mean internally.  We have a terrible sef esteem, cover up our weeknesses by reaction, do the right things out of an engrained fear etc etc.  We don't have healthy life tools to deprogram and learn to deal with all that has been endured.

I would love to continue to talk to you about this.  Very much so!
If you would like to talk about this subject further feel free to email me at:

liatsunami@hotmail.com 

please put "narcissism" in the subject line.  I'll see if I can find some articles/web forums/support groups for you on this topic that might be helpful for you in dealing with this.

I am not a psychologist so I can't really give you professional grade advice, but I can try and share my experiences and knowledge, and try to help get you in touch with people that can help you.


 
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January 6, 2006, 6:16 pm PST

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Ugh, if I see ONE more post about religion I'm going to scream.  How is that actually helping anyone with their problem?!  I'm so sick of people saying "If you have a problem you should pray about it."  If praying makes someone FEEL better than sure, go ahead, but don't EXPECT miracles in life, you'll just be disappointed.

We need to bring this topic back to the matter at hand.  What can WE do to help these people?   How can our experiences help others.   This doesn't mean evangelizing or preadching about why prayer does or doesn't work.

If prayer worked for you, then great that's all you need to say about. If it didn't, then that's all you need to say about it.   We don't need the bible quotes and all that so some people can "prove they are right".  How about sending links to support groups, Dr.s , therapists, to these people so they can get some help?
 
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January 7, 2006, 5:18 am PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

Quote From: elicow1

Dr. Phil, thank you for acknowledging the existence of evil presence and for encouraging one of the women to go to church. Like it or not, believe it or not, a devil and his angels exist. This may be too simplistic for some sophisticated minds who feel that there is something more philosophical or intellectual about what these people are experiencing. However, if you analyze this verse, it is truly this simple: whether we like or not, accept it or not, we are in a war with the powers of darkness - Satan and his evil angels. Our weapon? Ephesians 6:13-17 "put on the whole armor of God...the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God."
Question, are you a Dr.? Are you a psychologist?  An avid student of theology? A paranormal investigator?  Or are you just an avid believer, because belief without knowledge is like jumping out of a plane without a parachute and depending on God to catch you.  You can quote biblical verses all you like, but that does NOT make you right.   In fact if you aren't a trained professional in any of the above fields I really doubt you'd know the difference between someone who is demonically possessed, and someone with a medical or psychological problem.

If you're telling these people to turn to religion for solace and comfort, that's great. By all means, but you shouldn't act like it's going to solve all their problems, because it won't.   As human beings we are expected to help ourselves and each other, using the tools at our disposal.  Yes, one of those tools is religion, but so is medicine, so is psychology.
 
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January 7, 2006, 5:18 pm PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

Quote From: spirtiled

What are you talking about! Miracles happen every day. Be real! I have had many. How do you explain a friend of mine who died and was in the morgue with a toe tag and in a body bag. when she died she went to hell and saw horrible things and she cried out to Jesus and said help me, get me out of here. I know I deserve to be here but I'm sorry. Help me. Then she was taken to heaven and shown many wonderful things and God told her to go back  and to tell others what she saw and what happened to her. She is now totally restored and runs seven miles a day. Oh by the way she was legally blind and has 20/20.. People are prayed for and healed of terminal cancer, aids etc. I know a women who had a bad heart and an EKG, which is like a blue print or finger print and never changes now shows a brand new heart, she was blind and now see perfectly, and this is documented. Also her leg was aputated just below the knee, and her prothesis started to really bother her so she went back to the guy who made it for her, and he looked at it and exrayed her leg and she is growing bone, ligament and tissue back. Her leg is slowly growing back and every time we see her it is longer. The last time I saw her, her leg was grown down to just above the ankle. This is documented and proven. And my friend who died has her death certificate with her at all times as the Lord told her to carry it and tell others about what happened and about heaven and hell which are real. God says in His Word " I put before life and death, bleasings and curses, choose life" As for links there are so many. I have prayed for so many people whose lives have dramatlcally changed for the better, have seen many healed and set free instantly from bondages such as eating dissorders like bulimia, inner hurts, depression, confusion, anger to name just a few.  Don't you see, the preaching about Jesus is the truth, there is an answer, and there are many of us in the ministry who are willing, ready and able to help these people.-That is the Truth and there is an answer. Linda
Well let's just say they didn't get better because YOU or anyone else prayed for them.  It might be coincidental,  it doens't really matter to me.  And there may be object ive "truth" but you don't know it, and I don't know it.  No one does.  And don't try to use the bible or any other religious texts to justify what you say because everything on this earth has been touched by human hands and biases and is therefore  imperfect and flawed, and that INCLUDES religious writings. 

Now, I am DONE talking religion with people.  I don't care what people believe and why. I just want you all to do something USEFUL for people, instead of bantering on and on about who's religion is right and who's is wrong. 

If you're so willing to help people than give REAL answers instead of the philisophical and theological discussions. This isn't the place for it.   What this forum was for is HELPING people cope with events and feelings that upset them.  It's not a place for ANYONE to evenagelize or prosteletize their religious agenda.

~*~ Jé~*~
 
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January 8, 2006, 9:30 am PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

Quote From: agentdlw

Sharon, after watching you on the Dr. Phil show, I believe you are a beautiful person inside and out.  I also believe that we all have the power to take control of our mind and our thoughts which make up the person we are.  Whatever you dream of doing, put your mind to it and it can be done.  With professional counseling and positive energy, your life will do a complete turnaround.  Also, being a very spiritual person, I do not believe that anyone is cursed for life.  I believe you need to find comfort in a Church family that will help to support you through this rough time. 

My prayers are with you! 

  

Debbie from Bethlehem PA 

Your post is the type I'm talking about  SHOULD be on this board.   It is supportive, but pushy from the religious angle.   It also shows that you are personally giving your support to the person in the best method you personally have, which is prayer.  Good for you :)
 

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