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January 16, 2006, 11:05 am PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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You really can't be serious with what you just said. Because someone told you to sell your car and cash in your 401K (which the other woman may or may not have had in the first place to be selling) that means that more blacks than whites are on welfare. I'm sorry you had a not so great experience, but if you look all over the country, and not just in the city you applied for foodstamps in then you will see that most of the welfare recipients in this country--especially in the midwest are caucasian. And I'm not pulling that out of my behind either--six of my stepsiblings are social workers and work in welfare agencies in various places in this country. 

  

Some of what I've been reading here simply makes me want to puke. If you have to preface a statement with "I'm not a racist, but..." or "I don't consider myself a racist, but...." then that leads the person on the receiving end of that statement (us the reader in this case) to believe that you are a racist. I don't have to tell people that my group of friends may as well be the rainbow coalition or the United Nations, because it doesn't matter. I don't have to defend it, I don't have to explain it. It is what it is. If you really see the world through multi-colored glasses as some of you say, then you don't have to count how many friends of whatever race you have. You don't see their race, and you "sho' 'nuff" don't have to explain why how you were raised allowed you to be friends with someone of such-and-such race. Reading between the lines of some of these statements and watching people's actions say a lot more than "I'm not a racist, but...." ever could. If you were truly not prejudiced in some form or racist in one way or another, you wouldn't have to make sure the world knows that you're "NOT a racist"--you wouldn't give a damn either way. 

  

Allow me...I have O positive blood, and the red cross recruits me hard because I'm a universal donor. They don't make me specify my race, because blood is blood is blood. If you received a transfusion of O positive blood and it saved your life, you'd be pretty damned grateful, no? So if tomorrow you found out that that blood was from my "disgusting negroid/black veins", would you die from negro-itis? Nope, cuz blood is blood is blood, we all got it, it's all red. My skin might be darker than yours, but my blood could still save your life, or yours could save mine. There are so many more things to worry about than someone's skin color, so please, let it go.  

 uh, actually blood is blue, until it is explosed to oxygen, but I get your point.  Even though I believe everyone is a little bit racist to some extent, even if it's only using race as a physical descriptor.
 
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January 16, 2006, 11:07 am PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

Quote From: my_2angels

"BLACKS SHOULDN'T BE COMPLAINING BECAUSE THEY GET AWAY WITH MURDER, LITERALLY. THEY RAPE SOMEBODY OR TRAFFIC DRUGS AND THEY GET OFF SCOTT FREE." 

 

Actually, if you've looked into the dynamics of the prison system at all, not only are blacks LESS likely to be found innocent for murder, but they are MORE likely to be put on death row. They are also less likely to be found innocent for other violent crimes, which is why there are more blacks in our prison system then whites. 

  

As for the "all black shows and school," I don't know which school it is you're talking about that is "all black," but the reason that there are "all black shows" (which isn't even true, I've never seen  show that is all black) is because there ARE shows in which there are few or no black people (hello? anyone ever seen Friends or Seinfeld?) and the shows on t.v. that DO have few black people in them aren't targeted towards blacks. Therefore, tv networks started up shows that are populated with mostly black characters (Girlsfriends, The Parkers, The Bernie Mac Show) to try and reach this target audience as well. It has nothing to do with racism. Your comments are ignorant and uneducated, period. 

  

The only black people that I've ever heard cry racism (when there was no racism) were uneducated black people. Just like the only people who I've heard say "All blacks do is cry racism," seem to be uneducated. The Rev. Jesse Jackson cries racism because it gets him put into the news. (You know what theys say- No publicity is bad publicity.) He is seen as a powerful figurehead in America, especially to blacks, so when he says, "Why did you leave all these black families during the Hurricane," the undereducated follow his cry and being to say it, too, without realizing that it's not entirely true. 

  

 As for the NAACP, I think that their origin was truly to try and help blacks get a foothold in a society that has tried to keep them down. Then, activists and extremeists sort of took over and I agree that they SOMETIMES go too far. 

  

The reason that the rebel flag is offensive to blacks is pretty obvious to most people. But you also have to look at the context in which it's being presented. A college age Southern kid with a rebel flag sticker on his car is much less offensive then a thirty or forty-something Southern "hillbilly" who rails against blacks as the root of all societies problems with the same flag on his truck. And, like I said, it's usually the under/uneducated who don't realize that it no longer holds the same meaning as it once did. 

  

This talk about the civil war being about indultrialism is only partly true. There was more then one reason for the Civil War, and one of those reasons was to free the slaves.  

  

Now, onto your comments about white inventors vs. black inventors. (The following is taken from the following website. http://teacher.scholastic.com/activities/bhistory/inventors/ ) Neither whites NOR blacks built the "modern world." It was a collective feat that took the contributions of ALL KINDS of people.  

  

Elijah McCoy (1843–1929) invented an oil-dripping cup for trains. Other inventors tried to copy McCoy's oil-dripping cup. But none of the other cups worked as well as his, so customers started asking for "the real McCoy." That's where the expression comes from. 

 

Lewis Latimer (1848–1928) invented an important part of the light bulb — the carbon filament. Latimer worked in the laboratories of both Thomas Edison and Alexander Graham Bell.  

 

Jan Ernst Matzeliger (1852–1889) invented a shoemaking machine that increased shoemaking speed by 900%!  

 

Granville T. Woods (1856–1910) invented a train-to-station communication system 

 

George Washington Carver (1860–1943) invented peanut butter and 400 plant products 

 

Garrett Morgan (1877–1963) invented the gas mask 

 

Otis Boykin (1920–1982) invented the electronic control devices for guided missiles, IBM computers, and the pacemaker. 

 

Dr. Patricia. E. Bath (1949–) invented a method of eye surgery that has helped many blind people to see.  

 

Lonnie G. Johnson (1949–) invented the world-famous watergun, the Supersoaker 

 

 

You need to open your eyes. The world is not in black and white, it is in FULL COLOR and there are wonderful things happening everyday, contributed by ALL KINDS of people. You cannot say "Why is it okay for blacks to have..." implying that all blacks use the race card without discretion (which is a "racist" comment) and then say, "I'm not racist, I have black friends!" Discrimination comes in all shapes, sizes, and yes even colors. But don't let the hype take away your common sense. 

 Hey, don't forget the Cosby  Show. I mean who doesn't love the Cosby Show?
 
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January 16, 2006, 11:14 am PST

01/16 Honeymoon's Over Follow-up

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Hello , I am a 50 year old woman and was just  married Oct.1/05 I have been with my husband for 2 years . I am very worried if we will stay together . I am crazy in love with him and have eyes for know one else and the thought of ever being with another man is just out of the question . Our problem has always been sex . I want it all the time and he doesn't . We didn't even make love on our wedding night . I must say that was not his fault it was mine . I was wore out from the day . Which it really didn't matter because he never does approach me anyway . I am the one that always has to be the passionate one . And believe me when we do make love it's very passionate and satisfying . 

But we seldom make love and it's always been like that . I don't understand why he never has the desire to make love and why he never touches me . We have been to see the doctor and he had given us the little magic pills for him and they work if he takes them . But he always complains of a headache after taking them and they bother his vision. and most of the time he will take the pill and not tell me . I guess he expects me to be a mind reader . He never touches  me intimately  it's always me that has to start the relationship . I don't feel that it's fair to me . That I am always the one to have to start it.  . Two weeks after we were married My back went out and I was in bed for three weeks because I could not walk . My sciatic nerve is being pinched from my disk in my back . I have been to pain management and to a neurosurgeon I have been told I need surgery by two doctors and my next step is I'm having a block injection in my spine to my nerve after that . If it does not help I will have the surgery I am feeling better since I had the other two shots . I am at least able to walk now . But I still have the desire to make love to my husband and I swear he always has a excuse . We have made love 4 times since we were married . Our love making has always been about once a month and believe me I have bought all the toys and have used them on him and my self and he loved it . But we always end up in a fight when I want to make love . it's always an excuse . I'm tired I have a headache and now he has started on blood presser medicine so now it's giving him a tummy ache . How do I win ? He works very hard and I don't even try to get him to make love during the week because I know he is to tired he's a sleep by 7 pm every night and I always go to bed with him and I sit up and watch TV until I fall a sleep . I know he loves me  , we spend every moment together when he is not working and we go every where together . I love that part him that we are so close in that way. And he is even 5 years younger than I am . I am under a lot of stress between my husband not ever wanting to make love and my back and now this past week I found out my 29 year old son has cancer in the colon and a spot on his liver and two spots on his limp  node. I am almost ready to lose my mine . It's almost  more than a person can take and I need help. I love my husband and I want my husband forever . I just want him to want to make love to me .  And all I do is cry and pray to god day and night to help my son get over this cancer . I really don't know how I am going to cope I am almost off my rocker  . I know my husband is under a lot of stress with me not being able to work , trying to live on one pay check to pay the bills plus all of the doctors copays and medicine we are broke and it is putting stress on him and my self . PLEASE HELP ME AND PLEASE PRAY FOR MY SON  

 Well it's generally accepted that once guys are out of their 20's, 30's, and sometimes 40's they're sex drive is a little less active.  Does your husband have any of the symptoms of low testosterone?  That can make a guy's sex drive a little less healthy.  Or he may just not be that into sex.

I can totally understand that. I'm 24 and I tend to be not as intersted in sex as my 24 year old boyfriend.  So sometimes it's just personal preference.  It doesn't mean he loves you any less or that anything is going on.  It may just mean that sex isn't as important to him as it is to you.
 
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January 16, 2006, 2:53 pm PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

 I think a great book for people on this forum to read would be Sherman Alexie's novel INDIAN KILLER.  I think everyone, Indian or not can see a little bit of themselves in any one of the characters in the novel.  The back of the book reads:

"A serial murderer is terrorizing Seattle, hunting and scalping white men.  And the crimes of the so-called Indian Killer have triggered a wave of violence and racial hatred.  Seattle's Native Americans are shaken and confused, none more so than John Smith.  Born Indian, raised white, Smith desperately yearns for his lost heritage and seeks his elusive true identity.  He meets Marie, a stormy Indian activist particularly outraged by people like Jack Wilson, the mystery writer who passes himself off as part Indian.  As a bigoted radio personality incites whires to seek revenge, Smith fights to slake the anger that engulfs him.....and the Indian Killer claims yet another life."

The publishing information for this novel is as follows.
Title- INDIAN KILLER
Author- Sherman Alexie
Publisher- Warner Books Inc, New York, NY
Copy right: 1996 
First Trade Printing: 1998
ISBN- 0-446-67370-6
 
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January 17, 2006, 1:35 am PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

Quote From: dterenzi

Does it make me a bad person when I can not except the fact that my 24 yr old daughter is living with a black man?  My Daughter and Granddaughter are living with a black man.  Do I object to this? ABSOLUTELY with out a doubt.  I do not dis like blacks I just don't believe that whites and blacks should mix.  A year ago my daughter was living with me and became pregnant by a black guy, needless to say she had to move out, I made it clear that there would be no way that I would ever except that child as my grand child, My daughter terminated the pregnancy, and the black guy was out of the picture, he actually wanted the pregnancy terminated but wanted me to pay for it, I refused, it wasn't my problem.  My daughter has since moved on and now is living with another black guy.  My family and I have pretty much cut her out of our lives, she can come visit but the guy is not allowed to come to our home, And they are not included in any family functions, She chose to spend Christmas with him instead of her family.  He may be a nice guy, but I just can not except the fact that he is black and that they have some sort of a relationship whatever that may be.    The worst thought that crosses my mind is the fact that my granddaughter could end up calling this man DAD,  the fear is that kids are cruel and what will happen when she goes to school and the other kids discover that she calls a black guy DAD?    I just don't know... I have told my husband over and over again that I feel guilty for the way that I feel, but I just can not get past it. 
 Have you considered WHY you feel guilty?  As people we usually feel guilty when we are doing something that is WRONG.  You really need to HONESTLY examine yourself and figure out WHY you think inter-racial dating/marriage is wrong.  Sometimes in order to get past things we just have to force ourslves to confront our beliefs as possible being faulty.

I mean isn't your daughter's happiness worth more to you than anything?  So what, the guy she loves is black.  Is that so bad compared to what he COULD have been.  I mean your daughter could have gotten involved with someone who is a complete jerk, or worse.  If he is a "nice guy"  you should be HAPPY for her, regardless of his race.  A good man is a good man.
 
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January 17, 2006, 1:42 pm PST

01/17 Extreme Disorders

Quote From: karen_kiki

Thanks to Dr. Phil we see the light at the end of a very long tunnel.  It is true I have not taken care of myself or my relationship with my husband and I have felt extremely angry for some time.  Not angry at Alex but at not being the Parent who can fix it all and make the home like the perfect family from the 50's and 60's.  Ok, I know there was no perfect family however TV and Movies are deceiving.  But I want him to have the best life he can and I want to be able to relax and not worry about the not so NORMAL things.   

  

Example, last night after the Basketball Game Alex got a ride home with friends.  We left the game at 9:30 p.m. and there was 1 minute left of play (they won).  Alex didn't get home for another 90 minutes.  Under typical circumstances I would have been a worriesome mother, last night I was not just a worriesome mother but I was worrying beyond belief.  Was he calm, was he raging, had he run off due to anger, or was he being a Teenager and not thinking things through and in an environment not appropriate for him.... 

  

I had to hold back when he walked in happy, calm and unaware that it took an extra hour or so to get home.  He actually walked in, told us how the game finished, who brought him home and how they had to dropped off two other people first (the driver's girlfriend and her friend) on the opposite side of the community. 

  

Since I am always waiting for the other shoe to drop I am always ready to jump in on things..........luckily along with getting Alex some help I have found someone who I too will be working with to help me get through life (my life).  I look forward to working with viewers like yourself who can help me and I in turn will be able to help.  Reaching out getting the support we need for ourselves and our families is what will bring us all WELLNESS. 

  

Thanks for you support, Karen 

 I have a strange theory about these types of conditions.  AS, and certain other neurological conditions that are characterized by  well above average intelligence quotients and savant like abilities tend to cause abnormal brain patterns.  The way I figure it works is your brain is like a giant electircal circuit and when it's hyper active in certain sectors it just overloads and causes erratic behavior.   That's the best explaination I can figure.

I felt so bad for your family, it was hard to watch how much Alex seems to hate the way he behaves. It's like he feels guilt and shame for being the way he was born.  I felt so bad that you and your husband suffer so much along with him.  You all definately need help managing Alex's illness. 

I just want you to know that you should NEVER blame yourself for his condition.  You didn't wish it on him, you didn't ask for it.  It just happened, and like most parents you weren't expecting it so you weren't as prepared as you wish you had been.  That's okay.  It isn't too late.  I think you and your husband have done the best you could with the tools you had available.  Other than his behavioral outburts due to his condition your son seemed like a good kid.  So you should pat yourselves on the back for that.

I hope in the future your family will gain insight into Alex's condition and that you'll all find better coping strategies for yourselves and your family.  Good luck in the future :)
 
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January 19, 2006, 11:09 am PST

01/19 Follow-ups

Quote From: djbubble

Have any of the government officials looked into the possibility that Natalie was kidnapped and "trafficked" to another country, i.e. sold into prostitution? I saw a special on the TV show Independent Lens about trafficking girls and also the movie on Lifetime about the subject...according to the shows, it is much more common than we think... 

  

I haven't read anything about this possibility in any of the reports. Has anyone?  

 Uh, if by "we" you mean most Americans, then yes I agree.  Most Americans have no concept of how common certain practices are in other parts of the world.  In  some parts of South East Asia for example the sex trade is a very lucrative buissness.  In fact there have even been instances of women and men being trafficed into the US from several countries.

Now,  with that said unless there is evidence that CLEARLY points to this girl being kidnapped and sold into the sex industry than I personally would not even check that avenue.  People who are kidnapped and enter the sex industry by force RARELY escape, and are nearly impossible to find.  It's not something most people in ANY country talk about with the police, or make WIDELY known.
 
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January 19, 2006, 6:21 pm PST

01/19 Follow-ups

Quote From: beachstars

I am continually amazed that some Americans consider themselves so special that when they travel to other countries they expect that laws and law enforcement proceedures will be the same as at home.   I am surprised that Dr. Phil has added to the attention this case continues to recieve.  How many young people disappear every day in this country?  How many visitors to the US have disappeared?  How many times has our country's leader been forced to meet with parents of missing tourists?   

  

Gee, aren't we special.  Pathetic. 

   

 Here, here!
 
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January 21, 2006, 6:18 pm PST

01/19 Follow-ups

Quote From: lolsmiley

Pathetic is one who would disrespect Americans ( or any nationality of individual ) for demanding honor, and due-process of moral justice for a lost dear child. 

  

Truth is, many countries are as corrupt as Aruba and many are far far worse.  

  

That is not in debate. What is, is the fact every world citizen including Americans has a right to discovery...a right to pursue truth, and a right to pursue HONOR for a fallen loved one. Especially a young woman who was lured, possibly drugged, raped and murdered.  

  

To blind one's eyes to that and attack Americans is absurd. 

 I totally disagree. I'm American and I think the way most people from this country act abroad and when dealing with international issues shows a LOT of ignorance and it makes me sick.  I'm not in anyway saying this girl deserved what she got.

I'm saying her mother has expectations that are too high. International Law and national soveriengty only allow for so much to be done in a case like this.  In my opinion the country of Aruba has far far more important things to do then look for ONE missing girl.

If her mother wants to spend her OWN resources and do her OWN detective work let her have at it. But I doubt that she would do any better than what these people have already done.
 
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January 23, 2006, 9:03 am PST

01/19 Follow-ups

Quote From: my_2angels

I don't know any Americans who want to be treated like Gods. And I don't agree with a lot of our foreign policy. But I'm going to tell you something that I've come to understand. If other countries want our help, if we are going to consider ourselves the "world's police" and get away with it (because we do), then we are going to expect certain things from certain countries (the ones we help the most). That's the bit that I can understand. What I can't agree with or understand is what you're talking about- trying to force countries that really don't need our help or ask for our help to fit our mold of what's right or wrong.  

  

And the USA is not the only country who is "eager to have absolute world power" and I can't ever recall anyone from America even implying that. However, I do seem to recall Hitler wanting absolute world power, and many Middle Eastern terrorist groups, with the sanction of the government in which they operate, trying to gain world power. Maybe I'm a bit biased because I live in the USA, but all I've seen us do is try to spread democracy (which I think is ironic, considering we're not a democracy but a republic). If that, to others, implies trying for world domination, then I think we're all doomed. 

 And "spreading democracy" is nessecarily a good thing? Just so you know I have a background in international affairs, and have taken classes in foreign policy analysis, political theory, and international law and relations as well as world history and cross-cultural understanding.  So I have the education to back up my critic of the way Americans tend to handle themselves abroad, and the problems that the spread of "American culture" has caused.   Allowing countries to develop a political and social system that works for them  on their own is much more successful  rather than imposing the US system on them  or expecting them to use the US as a model is not a good idea at all.  I am aware this worked in Japan post WWII, but even then the model still needed modifications.  That is only ONE successful example and can hardly be used to demonstrate ":success" on a large scale.

Just because the US is not the "only" country that would like to have its will enforced abroad does NOT in any way, shape or form make it RIGHT.

As far as terrrorism goes I highly doubt that many people have the basis for an understanding of why terrorists do the things that they do.  So let me school you a bit.  That they are trying to "gain world power" is simply not true.  That is not the agenda of most terrorist organizations.  Most often these groups are simply trying to gain some for of publicity by doing these actions in order to promote a political or social agenda.  In fact a lot of these groups are people who are frustrated and relatively powerless, they can not promote change through traditional means so they turn to terrorism.  That's just ONE theory, though they all follow some of the same lines.
 

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