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January 23, 2006, 9:19 am PST

01/19 Follow-ups

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That is my opinion in all of this. OK we all agree the police messed up BIG time here, but can you blame them? They were untill May 30th 2006 only dealing with minor crime and occasional hit and runs mostly involving a car and an animal. But to go that far and boycot the island is simply a selfish act of Mrs. Twitty. Why didn't she think of that when everybody on the island was searching for her daughter. Most of the island, including me, think these boys had something to do with her dissappearance, but there are simply no exact account of what happened that night. I also saw on a tv show how Mrs. Twitty said that these boys raped and killed her daughter on their island. I'm sorry to correct you but these guys are NOT Arubians. They happen to live there, but were not born or descendants of Arubians. Did the rest of the world boycott the USA when innocent foreigners were killed during 911 and your President instead of hunting down the terrorists decided to invade Iraq? Think of that!!
 I totally agree, the police messed up, we should move on.  I don't think a large scale boycott of Aruba is even a possibility. Sure, you'll have people that will do it, just to feel "moral", but guess what I bet the MAJORITY of the tourists fromt he US that go to ARUBA year after year  will still continue to go there.

The US should be concerned about correcting its own screw ups rather than the screw ups of another country.  Let me give an example, that has to do with foreigners in this country.  One of my former tenants and her son are from the Ukraine.  Her son is 15 and went home last year to visit his grandmother.   When he tried to return to the US he was held in Austria for 14 hours because the INS had the date wrong on his residence paper work so he could not be let back into the US.   His mother, nine months pregant at the time had to take the bus up to D.C. from OHIO to take the ORIGINAL paperwork of hers to INS so that they could take those and fax them to Austria so he could coem home.  THEN she had to wait for him ALONE for hours to get to DC.  It was a mess.   We (as in her, my mother and myself) called the office that handled her case to complain, did she or her son get so much as a "We are sorry for your inconveinence''? No, because everyone in the department was trying to cover their backside, and no one would admit it even happened.  Sure he ended up back here safe and sound, but what is he hadn't, or what if somethng had happened to his mother in the airport?

Bottom line is, there are screw ups everywhere and you don't always recieve just compensation for the mistakes of others. It's a fact of life.
 
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January 23, 2006, 1:51 pm PST

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You don't have either the need nor the right to "school" me in anything. I'm plenty "schooled" as it is. The spread of democracy to countries that constantly ask for our aid may not be "right" or "wrong" but it's no where near trying to take over the world, which was my point. Even if terrorists do use their irrational and extremists actions to "promote a political or social agenda," there doesn't seem to be much difference to me then trying to spread their rhetoric and use it to infect other terrorist cells and countries and organizations and governments.  

  

So what is the difference between what they do and what America does? America doesn't use extremist or terrorist actions, for one thing, and we don't use those actions in countries that don't require nearly constant aid from us (Austrailia, the Netherlands, countries that are maintaining their own society and politics successfully). 

  

You tone is not only highly presumptous and rude, but arrogant as well. You can't judge the basis of what I know or don't know on one reply to one message in which I state a partial bit of my beliefs or knowledge to prove a point. 

 that's where your wrong, the American government has indeed used terrorism in the past.    It isn't any different but as I've said before wrong is wrong is wrong.  You rpost to me represented some of the common misconceptions and ignorant behavior of many Americans.  And by virtue of my education yes I am presumptions and arrogant, but do to the amount of effort and time and energy I put into these subjects gives me the right to be.

Now I wasn't personally going after you, I was just using your post as an example of some common misconceptions. 
 
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January 23, 2006, 7:03 pm PST

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   In the case of missing 18 year old Natalie Holloway, could a medium help find her?  I just read the book "Don't kiss them good-bye" by Allison Dubois.  She has helped solve police cases before, please ask for her assistance in this case.
 It's worth a try I would think/
 
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January 26, 2006, 9:28 am PST

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Quote From: roxy_23

I feel so bad for Natalee Holloway's family. I really, really do. I guess where I'm the most frustrated when it comes to this case is the pure fact that Aruba and the Dutch government are so corrupt, that they're allowing these three young men to go free. My heart would break if my sons' ever went missing. I hate saying this, but there's always the possiblity that Natalee was abuducted and traded as a sex slave somewhere. Has anyone ever seen the lifetime movie "Human Traffiking"? I recomend seeing it. I cried at how cruel some people can really be and at how innocent teenagers go missing every day, only to be traded as a mail-order bride, or *gasp* at worst- a perverts sex slave. I pray that the Holloway family will get the answers they need and I pray that they will find Natalee and soon.
 It isn't just teenagers that are sold in that industry.  Depending on the country we are talking about very young childern, we're talking as young as 5, can be bought and sold in the sex industry.  It isn't something that is new, it's been going on for a long time.  I'm just sorry it took a TV show to bring it to people's attention.
 
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January 27, 2006, 9:15 am PST

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People who are boycotting Aruba are not doing so because of 1 missing person, they are doing it because of the obvious cover up by the Aruban authorities.  Yes, people go missing in every state in the US, but the authorities do not protect the suspects as seems to be the case in Aruba.  I, as a parent and a Canadian, have boycotted Aruba till they provide the Holloway family with the truth and stop covering up for the judge's kid.  

 You'd be surprised at what the police cover up here in the US. 
 
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January 31, 2006, 7:51 am PST

01/31 Cut 'Em Off!

 I tend to find this whole discussion really strange because both my parents have always made it very clear to me that I can live with either of them as long as I want to.  My parents don't WANT me to leave home.  When I went to college my dad wanted me to live at home and my mom wanted me to live in the dorms for at least a year.  After they got divorced two years later they both wanted me to come live with them. I live with my mom but I see my dad every day.

Right now I live with my mom, I'm 24.  I was placed on academic suspension from college for one year.  Right now I don't work , really.  I take care of my mom's house and the things the renters need while they're here. My mom is living in TX with her husband, so she asked me to stay here and look after things.  I also drive my dad home from work, and where ever else he needs to go since he doesn't have a liscence right now.

As far as my parents feel I should NOT be living alone or with people I don't completely trust.  I have narcolepsy and some other health problems and mental problems that can be relatively dangerous if I am left alone for too long. 

I am looking for freelance writing work, or anything LEGITIMATE where I can work from home right now. 

I think most people would consider me a mooch, since my parents pay for everything.  That tends to make me feel pretty bad.  But then I think about all the stuff I do for my parents that most people my age dont have to do.  So in my feelings we turn out even in the end. 
 
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January 31, 2006, 8:16 pm PST

01/31 Cut 'Em Off!

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I am confused. I don't think that the subject has been covered when it comes to your adult child having a mental condition. My son will be 23 this week. He has had depression and anxiety since he was 14. He tryed to work after graduating in 2001. That job through a temp. service only last about 1 week. He couldn't  take it and up and quit. He has worked for the past 3 years for a band, traveling all over the U.S. doing the sound and lighting. That work was only here and there. He pretty much enjoyed his time with the band. Now that the touring has come to an end, he is home pretty much 24/7. He is under the care of a doctor and is taking medication. My husband and I do not know what to do with him. We have tryed to be very patient and laid back with him. Has that attitude backfired?? He wants to get his life together, he just doesn't know how to..
 I totally understand the position your son is in.  I'm 24 and still live with my mom, and get most of my money from my dad.  I have narcolepsy and many other health problems as well as several mental problems including severe clinical depression and  social anxiety disorder.    It would KILL me if my parents called me a "mooch" because of all the things I do for them, and how I've put my life on hold to deal with their problems as well as my own.

I think it's a good idea to monitor his depression and anxiety, and encourage him to look for a job where he can work from home.  Right now that's what i'm doing. I'm looking into E-lance.

Good luck.
 
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February 1, 2006, 6:30 pm PST

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Thanks to both of you with your kind relpy. Some of my friends don't understand the situation and they say thinks like, if it were my son, I'd kick him out if he didn't have a job. They just don't get it.  He does love his music, he plays the guitar. We have a weight room here at our house, but my husband and son rarely use it,  they are both over weight and they both have  the same mental health issues.  

  

I have a friend that works in a floral warehouse. Her boss needs some extra people to help with Valentine orders, so he will work for about 5 days doing that. I hope that he will feel good about himself, having a reason to get up and get going in his day.  

  

Currently his is out with a friend, his birthday is tomorrow. I encourage him to get out of the house, since he is home most of the time, it is good for him. 

  

I do want to say one more thing, I think that it is just wonderful that you have made it through school with such wonderful acomplishments. You are the proof that hard work even with depression and anxiety does pay off. My "hat" is off to you. 

 Honestly it's hard for a lot of people to understand who either deal with these mental health issues or that have a family member or freind that suffers from them.  

One of the biggest problems with depression is the lack of motivation a person feels because of it.  You feel like no matter how hard you try or what you do it doesn't matter, so why try.  I remember beign like that EVERY DAY, and I still get like that sometimes but I found a medication that worked for me. It's a combined anti-anxiety medication and antidepressent that is time released.   It's called Effexor XR.  I can go to the grocery store or anywhere else with out having crippling fear of people judging me about every single thing I do.   Unfortuantely my DR. still hasn't gotten my narcolepsy under control and the medication for it is prohibitively expensive for me and my family.  It's 400.00 for 30 days of Provigil, and about 350.00 for my anti-seizure medications.  So...I have to ration them out pretty strictly.   Which is one reason I'm looking for a freelance writing job on e-lance.  It's something I CAN do, and I can do it from a place where I'm safe from both embarassment and from having to drive to and from work.

I hope your son has sucess in all his endeveors and is able to get his depression under control soon.   Also I bet your freinds would likely have a different stance if it was THIER child who was sick.  So take heart.  Just love and encourage him the best you can.
 
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February 2, 2006, 10:13 am PST

02/02 Twisted Love

 I think a lot  if people on this board are EXTREMELY judgemental.   For one I'm polyamorous, but I do NOT practice polyandry.  In other words I can be in love multiple people, but I have only monogamous relationships. 

Now in my opinion if people want to practice polyandry fine, go ahead.  As long as EVERYONE in the relationship is completely comfortable with it then who cares. It's no one's buissness but their own.

Unfortuantely the guy on the show had a spouse that did NOT want to be involved in this lifestyle.  Which is her right.   He either needs to get with the program or leave, his ideas are WRONG for their relationship, but it doesn't mean that his desires are WRONG for all relationships.

There are plenty of cultures around the world that practice polyandry.  Some practice strictly female-male-male or male-female-female pairings, and some practice both.  Who are we to judge? If it isn't OUR relatiionship then we should just live and let live.
 
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February 6, 2006, 8:56 am PST

02/06 Bad Brides

 I totally agree that Rachel needs to stick to a budget concerning her wedding.  However, aside from that I think her mother has tried to force her vision on the wedding on her daughter.  I think the best idea for them would be to sit down with a wedding planner and say "Here is our budget, here is a list of the things she would like to have, how can we make it happen?"  I think a lot of the stress between the mother and the daughter could be aliveated with another person to help them  with the details.  If the mother would rather not be involved in the planning then she can just tell the wedding planner "This is the budget I want you to work within, this is my daughter you two iron it out".  I think if a wedding planner suggests something Rachel might be more receptive.  I think she feels like her mother is trying to impose her will on the wedding rather than working with her, and the mother feels like her daughter isn't respecting her opinoin or the fact that she is paying or helping pay for it.
 

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