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April 21, 2006, 2:19 pm PDT

babywars!

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 Dont get me wrong, I do believe if you play then you pay. BUT, women do not have to keep a child if they do not want to. They have adoption or abortion, so why cant men decide for themselves if they truly want to have a baby. He is not the only one in the wrong, therefore he should nt be punished. I feel if the woman knows that the man does not want a baby BEFORE they fool around, she shouldnt be able to force it upon him. Besides that how can the baby be happy if its parents arent? The children eventually grow up and they WILL relize that they were or are unwanted. It is in the best interest of the child for the parents not to be invloved if they do not want it. The child will suffer if the parents are forced to play a role. Now if the man decides later on that he made a mistake, I believe he should pay back child support from the time he walked out until the time that he decides to play a role.
  I watched the show.  He looked(the boy wanting to have more rights) like he was on the defense the entire show.  I was always taught that intercourse was for married people.  Are they married?  Then should they be haveing sex?  I also agree with Dr. Phil.  If the choice he was hoping for was good sex with no child then he should have wore a condom.  I was also taught that I'm the only one that will take care of myself.  I have to make the responsible choices for myself.  How can anyone be truthful in the heat of the moment?  Like isn't that the time when all the blood is rushing toward somewhere?  I feel no sympathy for him or his cause.  If he wins maybe we should sue for the right to make men carry the baby for 9 months.  Nothing is fair in life.  I think he should just step up and be a man.  Isn't being responsible the manly thing to do?  Isn't fighting for the right to not have to be responsible for the child the cowardly thing to do?  I think we as a society need to stop and think about our moral responsibility in the world.  Or do we need to teach our children to HAVE morals.  Seems to me that not many people in the world teach there children morals.  I think its a big joke.  I'm not by any means saying that I am perfect.  At 26 I had my first child.  By a man that was divorced and had 3 children from his first marriage.  He didn't want any kids with me either.  But do you really think I wanted a kid?  But after it happened and I had no choice but to have it......I had to step up and be responsible.  I know I know we have choices.  But I have morals and feel its my responsibility  as an adult to step up and be responsible for my choice.  So adoption and abortion aren't my choices.  They aren't something my parents taught me were good moral choices.  The BOY on stage is just trying to not have to pay for the the choice he made.  I feel sorry for the little girl.  Even if he loses and has to pay child support....do you think that after 18 years of getting child support the little girl is going to say.   HEY MY DAD IS COOL HE PAID CHILD SUPPORT.  Yea like the money makes any difference at all.  What a waste to put such a huge cause on such a unmoralistic idea.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:43 pm PDT

babywars

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MATT MADE THE UNCONSIOUS DECISION TO BECOME A FATHER WHEN HE CHOSE TO HAVE SEX.  THERE IS ALWAYS THAT POSSIBILITY!!!  HE NEEDS TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE, BE A MAN AND FINANCIALLY SUPPORT HIS DAUGHTER.  IF HE CHOOSES NOT TO BE A PART OF HER LIFE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN HER BEST INTEREST SINCE HE DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE AN ACCEPTABLE ROLE MODEL IN HER LIFE.
  Isn't it a fact that there is a reason for the law to begin with?  I not exactly sure how many years ago it became a law but there was time when men weren't responsible for there actions and there were millions of women on welfare because they didn't have anyone to help raise there babies.  Isn't this why there is a law making the man responsible for there actions?  Even if they don't like it.  Is it the laws fault that the man couldn't learn from his mistakes?  Maybe women have more rights because they are the ones who carry it.  Ya think man would have more rights about a babys future if they gained weight ate vitamins, exercised and ate right so that baby is healthy?  Then you get to experience the most pain you will ever experience.  And hey maybe it goes fast maybe it don't.  I think that if women have to carry it they should be reimbursed for all the damages.  You think stretch marks are attractive?  I think not.  Lets talk diapers....if you paid me a dollar a diaper I would still not like it.   How about all the things you want them to learn and all the things you can only hope they listen to because you love them and you want them to not make your mistakes.  What about all the weirdos you don't want them to talk to and all the peers that you don't want them hanging out with.  There is more to life then just who is at fault and who should and shouldn't be responsible.  Just for a week take the baby in your heart and you will never let her go.  I can't imagine being Matt and sitting there for all the world to see how imature he is and how petty he can make the life of a child seem.  Poor elizabeth.  And when Matt is older and mature.  When he wants to be a part of something.  He will be constantly reminded of his true abandonment of Elizabeth.  Like they tell us women.  Its a pain you forget.  I think its Gods way of helping us to procreate.  hahaha
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:49 pm PDT

Whatever!

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Hello I am a happily married mother of two and sorry but I have to agree with him.  If that man told her up front how he felt and she inturn decided to stay in this relationship then she is at fault.  When he told her this then she should have ended this relationship instead of taking this risk.  Instead she told him that she could not have children and plus taking the pill for extra precautions.  You are so right children are a wonderful gift,  when both are choosing to take the responsibility to take on the role as parents.   

  

Again she did not know that she was going to get pregnant but he should not have to pay for it. 

  Neither should be having intercourse before marriage.  Isn't that what we are taught?  Abstenince.  So if Matt shouldn't be held accountable for the raising of the little girl, maybe you can help her feed cloth and raise it. Who should be held accountable for a child alone when it takes TWO.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:52 pm PDT

BABYWARS!

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DO NOT HAVE SEX!!!  KEEP HIS PANTS ON!!  USE A CONDOM...BUT THE IS NOT ALWAYS FOOL PROOF!!!  WHEN HE CAN CARRY A CHILD HE WILL GET THE CHOICE.
  I agree.  Lets see a man carry a baby for 40 weeks.  Thats longer then you have to make it on Survivor. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:55 pm PDT

Why Not?

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As a mother of 2 girls, and one of 4 daughters, I bet you would assume I would agree with Mom;  WRONG!  

   

If someone lies to you, and knowingly can have children I do not agree that the partner whoever it is should be held responsible.  You are responsible for your actions!  If you go into a situation positively thinking that a) you do not want to be a father and inform Mom of that b) you have been informed that Mom cannot have children  c) Mom is taking birth control pills for another ailment, then why should you be responsible?  

   

Why is not Mom responsible for lying on 2 counts?  Why does she not take responsiblity?    

   

I know most people would say "think about the child" why did the Mom not think about the child she could bring into this world.  Did she honestly think things would change when the baby came?  How many wives thought they could change husbands once they were married?    

   

Don't you really think it's time that women might be held accountable for their actions and that by being a birth Mom doesn't give them clear sailing?  

   

My thoughts anyway!  

  My husband was told he couldn't have children.  We had 2.  Should I have sued him.  He made me carry them.  And I'm still taking on the burdon today.  Only I love it.  But if you know a good lawyer.  Cause he lied ot me.  And I'm 50lbs overweight because of it.  Sounds silly dosent' it.  Just as silly as matt and his law suit.
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:00 pm PDT

Really?

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After watching today's show I was absolutely floored that Dr. Phil was less than supportive for the fella fighting for his rights.    

   

About a year ago my cousin was having recreational sex with a young man getting his feet off the ground and working on his career.  He was assured by her over this 2 month period that she was on the pill.   Guess what.......ooops, she got pregnant.........with twins!!!!!  This wasn't her first ooops either, it was her fourth while practicing poor "safe sex" methods.  Fortunately, the first 3 ended in miscarriages.  This poor guy did not want to have these children as he knew a lifetime committment with my cousin was just not in the picture as she is not an easy person to get along with.  So now, he is slapped with $1000/month child support payments and once they enter daycare he will be forking out another $800/month.  How's the poor guy to survive?  She has NEVER been able to afford to drive a new car and guess what........she's now driving a new one!     

   

I've got 2 boys that are not sexually active yet as well I have a daughter.  I often get comments from people saying that they are glad they don't have a girl because they wouldn't want the worry of her getting pregnant.  My worries are absolutely the opposite.  As my boys are approaching the age of sexuality I will never stop the nagging about being very careful about sex and ALWAYS protecting themselves as one mistake can cost you a lifetime.  I worry much more for them than I do our daughter.......at least she's got a choice.   

 So she had twins?  Only after she had had three other miscarriage?  How many times does this have to happen for the man to realize she wasn't using safe methods of birth control.  He sounds nieve.  Like  'duh' she had three misscarriages, but really she is using birth control.
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:03 pm PDT

legal age

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I'm only being half sarcastic with this comment:

Perhaps from this point on we should all be required to carry a legal contract around with us so that in the event we meet someone and decide to have sex, we can both sign it and have it witnessed before going ahead with sex.  It could say something to the effect of, "In the event of pregnancy resulting from this sexual encounter, I _______ hereby make it known I have no/every intention of being a parent."  By signing, both sides would be making a legal agreement beforehand so that situations where one person wants the child and one doesn't don't happen.  It might make people more stop and think before they start removing their clothes...
Then you would have to be of legal age and probably wouldn't have to worry about having a problem!
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:16 pm PDT

Rules

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I became a single parent in 1976 while in the Marine Corp stationed in California.  None of this is the child's fault, the fault lies with the man and woman having sex while not being married and in a committed relationship.  With that having been said, I agree that things are a bit lopsided regarding choices.  Women can choose to have unprotected sex, then decide whether to keep the child or not choosing adoption,  abortion, or even the morning after pill.  Many times, the father has stated that he " wanted " the baby,  but it is the mother's choice because it is her body.  What about the father's right to keep his child ?   Dr Phil, you missed it in this case.  This is not about "  what about the Child ." ( Even though the child gets hurt either way )  The young man in this case is simply saying that he should have the same right to the same choices that the mother has.  If he desires to " keep " his baby, then the mother should be made to carry the child to term, instead of using the excuse " it's my body " to get rid of a mistake she (they ) made.  The point is that both parties should have the same rights going in to the decision to have sex, even if that decision is morally wrong.  Why should the women be allowed to abort the baby based on the fact that it is her body when and if the man wants the child ?  Maybe if we practiced and preached abstinance until marriage, we as a society would not being asking all these hard questions, but then that would require putting God back in our hearts, lives, and our schools.  Have we noticed yet, that when we took God out, we began to see more and more bad decisions being made......is there a connection ?    Duh
  I believe there is more to having sex then just "The Rules".  You can't define it in one sentence.  There are more then one persons feelings to consider, but even if a man pays child support is it going to make the child grow up happy and healthy and secure?  Its always about the money.  All the money in the world can't make a child grow up happy, healthy, secure and religious...ect.
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:25 pm PDT

Choice?

Quote From: jostman199

Women get a choice AFTER conception so men should have that same choice.  Equal rights for all not just for women.
Shouldn't men make a choice BEFORE conception?  When men can be the one pregnant for 40 weeks then they can make the choice after conception.  What if men could make the choice for the women after conception.  We would have an epidemic of children homeless.  A hateful society.  Men don't usually think with there brain in these deep situations.  Thats why women are pregnant for 40 weeks.
 

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