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September 29, 2006, 5:00 am PDT

Hows this for honest?

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I think this debate is so fascinating...  Perhaps the two camps ("piece of paper" vs. "get the ring") actually have different GOALS in mind?  For the latter, the relationship seems to be a means to an end, whether that be financial security, social "success," or children...  For the former (including me), the relationship is an end in itself; I don't want children, I earn my own paycheck, I consider myself "whole" without a ring or a husband -- I'm in the relationship for the love, fun, companionship, and -- yes -- COMMITMENT with the man I love.  How can this "commitment" be so great with a 57% divorce rate (80% for second marriages)???  Wedding, ring, certificates -- all symbols which may well be meaningless.  For those who want marriage for "security" (financial or social) or to raise a family, that almost sounds like a business arrangement; wouldn't an arranged marriage work just as well?  In my view, those who truly love the other person could and would never say NEXT because an ultimatum isn't met (one would never be given in the first place), but it's entirely appropriate in the business world.   Maybe just be honest about this??? 

Its very simple. If one person in a relationship is not getting fulfillment for ANY reason while the other partner IGNORES the issue or doesn't try to fix the problem in some way...

 

AND THAT OTHER PARTER IS (GUESS WHAT) NOT SUFFERING AS THEIR PARTNER IS AND IS AS HAPPY AS A CLAM, THAT IS A PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

ANY person with self respect that wants a HEALTHY relationship should not stand for that and WALK AWAY!

 

That goes for a variety of issues....

 

bad communication

abusive behavior

substance abuse

criminal activity

unwillingness to treat partner as an equal

 

AND YES, refusing to discuse marriage while the other partner gives ALL marriage type privledges to their partner.

 

IF I was someone who wanted marriage and had a partner who repeatedly avoided the issue while I cooked, and cleaned, and lived with him...

 

I SHOULD NO MORE STAY WITH HIM THAN I SHOULD IF HE BEAT ME!

 

That simply isn't love to refuse to sit down and discuse this or any issue. It isn't even a real relationship.

 
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September 29, 2006, 6:50 pm PDT

If you think moving in...

.... with your man is a good way to show him that you can be a good wife for him, please put a TIME LIMIT on your stay.

 

Be up front in the begining and say "I will live with you exactly 2 years".  When that time is up, don't waiver, be prepared to move out. And in my opinion it shouldn't be more than 2 years.

 

If he really wanted a "trial run" you can't say you didn't give him one.  But if he wants a mock wife it won' t and shouldn't happen.

 
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September 29, 2006, 7:10 pm PDT

hi

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Hi,

I am 20 and I have been dating my best friend for about a year now, he is great, we have so much fun together and I love him so much. It makes me so happy to think about my futur with him and someday marrying him and being with him forever. However, there is one problem, he is Muslim and I have been raised Catholic.  I didn't think this would be a problem because Muslims are allowed to marry Catholic girls, but the problem becomes very clear when we started discussing raising kids one day. My boyfriends religion means alot to him, and I wouldn't want him to pick between me and his religion, but how is it possible for me to raise my kids Muslim if  I don't have the same beliefs?? What would I say to my child when he or she asks "Mom, why do I have to pray 5 times a day?" How am I suppose to tell my kids to do something I don't even believe in?

If anyone has any comments or suggestions please let me know. I don't know what to do anymore. I love my boyfriend, but I'm afraid we might be wasting our time togehter if we think already that we can't raise kids together!

What should I do?

thanks

Jackie

I think that it is so cute that you found happiness with your best friend!  This is a good foundation for a lasting romantic relationship.  Good luck to you!

 

You should probably either convert to your boyfriends religion or learn enough about it so that you can help teach your children.  And just support your boyfriend in his efforts to teach your children.

 
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September 29, 2006, 7:32 pm PDT

Greg

I didn't see all of the original show he was on but it doesn't suprise me that this LITTLE man is a chauvenist.

 

Dr. Phil really need to have the topic of guys with Napoleon Syndrome, short men with overbearing complexes, on the show. 

 

Its a problem and its annoying!

 
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October 7, 2006, 4:06 am PDT

Worth watching again

I don't know if my first message was going to post or not, but I will post it again.

 

One of my local tv stations plays reruns of the previous weeks Dr. Phil shows, so I had a chance  to see this episode a second time and record it.

 

It was so obvious that Mary thought she could bring Tony to the show, have Dr. Phil fix him, and he would be clear of his fear and objections and would be ready to commit to a wedding date. You could see the hopefulness in the beginging of the show.

 

Little did she know that Dr. Phil would say that he shouldn't marry her if he doesn't want to and that she should leave him and quit doing wife duties for him because she has wasted more than 8 years.

 

The dejection in Mary's face is something that you really have to witness, especially if you are a younger woman who is stuck in the same situation.  There was such a sense of helplessnes, exaustion, and loss of her best years in her face.

 

Please don't let yourself stay in a situation like that until you are too old to do anything about it.

 

I wish Mary the best and wish I could see and update where she manages to get married and have a family.

 
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October 13, 2006, 6:48 am PDT

What the matter really is

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I think it's more hating the importance some people put on it and the fear of what the pressure of marriage and society puts on your relationship after your married, not hating marriage itself.  Why are some couples viewed with highet esteem because they are married, but show no respect to each other, but commiteed couples who are not married, are given little social importance and acceptace by some, they are "just dating".  It is ironic that the seal of marriage is suppose to mean something but the ones of us who are leary of leaping in aren't the ones who have lessened what it means.  The adulters, the wife beaters, the husband beaters, the married couples who have let the love slip away, who don't work on their marraiges, who don't walk in a park holding hands, when my boyfriend and I have been together 9 years but we still do.  It is very scary to want to jump into something that you see the statistics that show marriage kills over 50% of happy couples, because you would have to believe that 99% of the people who get married really really love each other, so there is something in marriage that beats the love out of the relationship and after 9 plus years if long term unmarried couples have figured out a way to keep the respect, the laughter, the smiles, the hand holding and warmth, YEAH I'M SCARED AS HELL TO GIVE IT UP!!  We're not having any kids or I might feel different.  And yes in my case we both have been married before.  I don't think most of us are trying to show disrespect but we are happy and have found long term peace and are really scared to rock the boat, it's not that we don't trust our relationships, we've believe in marriage once and it kicked our teeth in.

First let me say that I am not implying ANYTHING about your particular relationship and what works for you is your business.

 

But as far as nomarital long term relationships succeeding is concerned....

 

Sure it's EASY to happy with your relationship to your significant other when you basically wake up every morning DECIDING whether or not you want to be together!

 

And if you don't you can just pack you bags and leave in the middle of the night and the other person has no legal right to do anything about it!

 

A lot of us have "friends" that show up for the "party" and then we can't find them when we really need support.

 

But how intimate are we with those people?

 
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October 13, 2006, 7:31 am PDT

Are you fed up with the marriage questions?

I was talking on the phone with my cousin the other day and out of the blue she says " So are there wedding bells in your future".  I said "No, not really".  She said "Well we are just going to have to find you someone!"   UGGGH!

 

The problem with this whole little chit chat?

 

My cousin is a 44 year old woman with a THREE year old marriage, and a 1 year old child! 

I'm 32.

 

My cousin has been a bridesmaid so many times she could open a dress shop.  I have only been in a couple of weddings.

 

Even though my dear cousin FINALLY got married at 41, her more than 20 years as a single adult ended in her marrying a complete idiot! 

 

He actually acted detached and flat out BORED at her dad's funeral just seven months after the wedding!

 

So I was taken aback when she took the opportunity to put on the "I'm married, your not!" act because she has little to talk about!

 

I could have stooped to her level. I could have reminded her that....

 

She went to purchase a gown at a bridal shop who's patrons MOTHERS were closer to her age than they were.

 

That she will be nearly 50 when taking her child to school for the first time.

 

That the last woman the she was a bridesmaid for, when she really didn't need to be a bridesmaid one last time,  didn't return the favor or even come to her wedding!

 

But I didn't because it is rude and it puts women back into the 19th century where their whole identity is wraped up in being married.

 

Well I hope she enjoyed pounding me into the ground  while she can because her sham marriage should be over soon anyways and she will be collecting child support along with her social security benefits!

 
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October 18, 2006, 6:45 pm PDT

Are you fed up with the braging?

Are you fed up with relatives trying to rub something in your face especially when they really have no place to talk? 

 

Recently I was talking on the phone with my cousin and out of the blue she asked me  "So are there any wedding bells in your future?". I said "No, not really". She replied "Well, we are just going to have to fine you someone then." 

 

The problem with this little chit chat?

 

My cousin is a 44 year old woman with a THREE year old marriage and a 1 year old child.

I'm 32

 

My cousin has been a bridesmaid so many times that she could open up here own dress shop.

I have only been in a couple of weddings.

 

And even though my dear cousin FINALLY got married at 41, her more than 20 years as a single adult ended in her marrying a complete idiot!

 

Her husband actually acted detached and flat out BORED at her dads funeral only 7 months after the wedding!

 

So I was taken aback when she took the opportunity to put on the "I'm married and you're not!" act because she really has nothing to brag about!

 

I could have stooped ot her level. I could have reminded her that...

 

She went to purchase a gown at a bridal shop where the other patrons MOTHERS were closer to her age than they were.

 

That the last woman she was a bridesmaid for, when she really didn't need to be a bridesmaid one more time, didn't return the favor or even COME to her wedding even though this lady's mother was one of the wedding planners.

 

That she will be nearl 50 years old when taking her child to school for the first time.

 

But I didn't because it is rude and it just puts women back into the 19th century where their whole identity was wraped up in being married.

 

Well I hope she enjoyed pounding me into the ground while she can because that sham marriage of hers isn't healthy and thats probably why she teased me with all the GARBAGE in the first place!

 
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October 24, 2006, 4:46 pm PDT

Take him in

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My daughter is dating this guy which is a wonderful young man.  He is 18 years old and a senior in High school.  His dad always finds something to yell at him about.  This young man doesn't drive so my daughter or I will pick him up and bring him to our house which is about 1 hr away.  Lets say his name is Johnny.  Johnny's father has recently gotten married which he only dated this women for 2 months.  His father and his new wife goes around touching each other in places they shouldn't be touching each other even in public.  They always are kissing too.  Johnny said he told them to get a room once and that they shouldn't be acting like that in front of her kids which is 9 years old and 12 years old. Will Johnny said that his father has changed since he has gotten married.  He treats Johnny and his sister like dirt and her two kids like their his own.  His kids has taken the back seat in this family now.  Johnny's father is always mad at something or someone.  We take Johnny home around 10:00 or 10:30 p.m. on nights he comes up to our house during the week. His father finds something to yell at him when he comes home.  Johnny says he really wants to move out but doesn't have anywhere to go and can't afford  a place on his own since his is still in school and trying to work at a $6.00 hr job.  But he really can't stand being yelled at every time he goes home.  I told him to try to hang in there until he graduates in May of 2007.  I don't know if it would be my place to let him move in with us and transfer to my daughter's school.  He is 18 years old and I have let him stay with us on the week ends so he won't have to live with his dad over the week end.  I ask Johnny to ask his dad if he cared if he stayed with us over the week end and his dad said he didn't care.  When Johnny is over on the week end and he calls his dad to let him know what he is doing is dad would always say "What the hell do I care". or What the h are you calling me for.  I fell so sorry for this young boy always getting yelled at and his father never says anything good to Johnny.  I took Johnny home once and his father was out in the drive way.  His father just waved at me with is head down and didn't even look at me.  He has never introduced him self to me.  I think his father is a real unhappy guy and wants everyone else to be unhappy with him.  My daughter and Johnny has been dating for about 6 months and my daughter really likes this guy lot but said that she is scared of his dad too.  She said that he is a hard one to figure out if he is kidding or serious when he talks to her.  She really hasn't seen much of him because her boyfriend and her always comes to our house or go out places.  My question is "would it be wrong if his father does throw him out of the house and I let him come live with us'?.  No, my daughter and Johnny doesn't sleep in the same room.  Johnny is in our spare bedroom.  We have a 4 bedroom house.  My husband died 5 years ago and my daughter was very close to him.  She wented 3 1/2 years before she grieve for him.  She told Johnny that she was saving herself for her husband and Johnny said that he agrees or thinks the same way.  We go to church and takes Johnny with us.  I can really feel in my heart that these two teenager even though they have hormones do a good job keeping a head on their shoulders.  If only my husband was here to help me make decisions.  Do I have the right to let him move in with us?  He is 18 years old and what about transferring school.  This is only if his dad ends up kicking him out. I just don't know if it is right for a mother to let her daughters boyfriend to move in with us?  I need some infomation about this and what can I tell this poor boy how to handle his father?  I thought about telling Johnny to ask his father "Can you go 1 week with out finding something to yell at me for"?  ask him "Do you like being yelled a"?  but I don't want him to get into more trouble by asking his father  these questions.  What kind of question should Johnny ask his father to try to get through to his dad what he is doing to Johnny.  I don't know if his father is aware of how he treats his son. Please help!

If he is 18 he doesn't even need his dads permission.  I think you should take him in.  Let him pay you a "mock rent" if it helps, just whatever he can afford.

 

I would also see if you can do something for this boys sibling ( not the step ones) since they are younger.

 

Maybe try to talk to the dad, if that doesn't work call child services. I you are afraid to do that maybe talk to these peoples neighbors. Ask them if they are aware of whats going on.  Maybe they will be willing to call CS or back you up when you call.

 

It seems like this dad is having a mid life crisis or something. I mean getting married after 2 months of dating?  Gropping in public?  Treating the spouses kids better?

 

It all sounds suspicious to me, but a lot of people have mid life crisises and it doesn't result in abusing their children!

 
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October 28, 2006, 7:25 pm PDT

HELP! Desperate,Snobby, Halucinating,or all the above?

Let me just start off by saying that online dating for me has been going ok I guess. I haven't gone out on a date yet but have one current prospect that I exchange emails with and a few other guys that are members of the cite that I have in mind.  I just put my photo up on the site and I HONESTY THINK I WAS DOING BETTER WITHOUT MY PHOTO! :(  I'm not a dog, just a few pound over weight and I am trying to change that, but it's not helping with the online dating.

 

That being said....

 

I have a maintenence worker coming over to do work on my house everyday and I think he LIKES me!  I don't know what to do, I don't even know if it is true!  He seems to be looking at me when I'm going aboutmy business at home and he thinks I'm not looking.  This is very confusing on so many levels....

 

Am I just so desperate that I take any little bit of politeness from a handy man as him being interested in me?

 

What if he really is interested in me? Should I say yes to a date, or no since he is kind of working for me?

 

I will admit I wasn't exactly looking for a handy man to date, but am I a snob? Should I feel like a snob because I kind of do?

 

 Am I just halucinating due to a dating slump? Should I just let it go? Let the guy fix my house ,be done with the job, and never see him again.

 

 

 

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