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January 17, 2006, 7:50 am PST

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  I hope you are replying to the previous quote and not my post. I agree with you, I don't want to get to know the Biological mom.   

  I honestly feel , that many women simply can't get over their divorce, and continue to try to control their ex's with the kids. The jealousy is incredible!  

  Me, too...one day, the kids will realize, that their Dad isn't so bad, and Mom has misled them all this time.  

I am sorry, I must have misunderstood what you were saying.  I can't stand when women like that make us good women look bad.  The same goes for men.  The bad apples ruin it for the bunch!!!!! 
 
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January 17, 2006, 7:55 am PST

01/09 Nasty Custody Battles

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I have no idea if this applies to the conversation here.

Please be careful with  the  woman entrapped me stuff. There are real and proven  cases of women intentionally  getting pregnant over the man's strong objections.  Even when the man has done everything in his power to ensure no child.

The law says that even if she takes the used condom and uses it to get pregnant (and there are multiple cases of this) the man is still the father and must pay child support. Even if the woman uses drugs to rape the man; he is the father and must pay: This is probably common, see Struckman-Johnson among others.  Even if multiple women use guns to force sex (and there are some cases of this) the man is still the father and must pay child support.

The law is quite clear: Males have very limited right to choose to be or not to be a father ... Choice is a female right and not a male right.

So? Be careful here. Some men claiming paternity fraud are speaking the truth about a great injustice. I have no idea whether or not this applies here. None-the-less, be careful with the idea. You may well be talking nasty to a rape survivor who is being tortured for the benefit of women who hate men.

Exactly!!!!  I wish those dads would get custody though!!!  It is apparent in those situations that the woman isn't even stable enough to care for herself let alone a child.  It is so unfortunate that this goes on.  The more I hear, and I thought I heard some doosies, the more I am sick.   

What is wrong with going to a sperm bank if you want a child so bad?  Is it too expensive?  Then maybe you shouldn't have a child.  What is wrong with people, can someone please explain it to me because it is literally driving me nuts!!!!!!   

 
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January 17, 2006, 10:01 am PST

01/09 Nasty Custody Battles

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My daughter is 27 years old and suffers brom Bipolar depression II. She has had problems with this since it  started in middle school and still has rapid cycling that occurs without notice. I guess you dont know about this. She is under a doctors care for all of this and we are still trying to correct or at least improve. This exposed  the child to the meds she had been on that could have cause damage to  the baby,   If she had wanted to get pregnant I dont think it would have sent her into a severe depression that we had to  deal with . Because of this illness she has not always had close friends/or boyfraiends/dates. I do not know what was in her mind when she went to visit him, and I dont think she knew. I do know that she is struggling to care for this baby and is paying the price by herself for that night. I do not approve of this happening but a mother can not always tell a 27 yr old what to do. I do know she does know now and has no plans to get pregnant again and would just like him to help since it takes 2 people to get pregnant and they both should have used more common sense in this relationship. I do think he was planning this experience when he invited her for the weekend and should have had the knowledge of what to do to have safe sex. There are no plans to get married and would just like to have some help in the care of this innocent child. 

Sounds like you think you were tricked into a relationship by someone getting pregnant and you are now bitter about the whole thing. Just because one person did this does not mean all people do this. You have to remember that you both are responsible for you actions and in-actions and both should have used birthcontrol. The only person that usually gets hurt in this situation is the child  when the parents do not admit in the wrong doing and do not accept the responsibility of their actions and care for the child as it should be cared for.  They did not ask to be born and should be treated with respect and caring. Maybe this is why there are so many children who do not know who their parents are and do not establish a relationship with both parents.  

I hhope this clears up this situation for you. I thought this was a help site and not a place to critize others for the problems they are in.  

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I feel for your situation, you sound like a resonable person, however, I need to pipe in.  It sounds to me like you are putting a lot of blame on this young man who fathered your daughter's baby.  Did he know she is bipolar?  I just don't think that is fair.  Just because she is bipolar, doesn't mean that she is stupid.  She knew what she was getting into when she spent the weekend with him, to not recognize that would be silly.  You can't make a baby with just sperm. 

My fiance's ex is bipolar and boy is she bipolar.  She is extremely unstable, but thanks to her mom who made her move in with her so she can make sure she got custody, his children are living with this.  She drinks exsesivly, she parties way too much, is abusive, and is extremely reckless when it comes to sleeping around.  She cheated on my finace so many times that there are new names popping up even today.  I asked my fiance to get a paternity test on his children but he refuses.  She has contracted an STD and does not tell the men she sleeps with and is in complete denial about her condition.  Her mother makes sure she is medicated though, if it wasn't for her, there would be no meds and those kids would still be with their father.  Her mother is an enabler in this situation and needs to mind her own business.  Neither one of them wanted anything to do with the kids before he and I got together.  She is a very good liar and manipulator.   

I am sure you are aware of this but here are some symptoms of bipolar disorder, people like this have no business having children or raising them. 

  

Manic Episode SYMPTOMS

A manic episode is not a disorder in and of itself, but rather is a part of a type of bipolar disorder.  

A manic episode is characterized by period of time where an elevated, expansive or notably irritable mood is present, lasting for at least one week. These feelings must be sufficiently severe to cause difficulty or impairment in occupational, social, educational or other important functioning and can not be better explained by a mixed episode. Symptoms also can not be the result of substance use or abuse (e.g., alcohol, drugs, medications) or caused by a general medical condition. Three or more of the following symptoms must be present:  

  • Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity
  • Decreased need for sleep (e.g., one feels rested after only 3 hours of sleep)
  • More talkative than usual or pressure to keep talking
  • Flight of ideas or subjective experience that thoughts are racing
  • Attention is easily drawn to unimportant or irrelevant items
  • Increase in goal-directed activity (either socially, at work or school, or sexually) or psychomotor agitation
  • Excessive involvement in pleasurable activities that have a high potential for painful consequences (e.g., engaging in unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions, or foolish business investments)
Major Depressive Episode SYMPTOMS A major depressive episode is not a disorder in itself, but rather is a description of part of a disorder, most often major depressive disorder or bipolar disorder.

A person who suffers from a major depressive episode must either have a depressed mood or a loss of interest or pleasure in daily activities consistently for at least a 2 week period. This mood must represent a change from the person's normal mood; social, occupational, educational or other important functioning must also be negatively impaired by the change in mood. A major depressive episode is also characterized by the presence of 5 or more of these symptoms:  

  

  • Depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day, as indicated by either subjective report (e.g., feeling sad or empty) or observation made by others (e.g., appears tearful). (In children and adolescents, this may be characterized as an irritable mood.)
  • Markedly diminished interest or pleasure in all, or almost all, activities most of the day, nearly every day
  • Significant weight loss when not dieting or weight gain (e.g., a change of more than 5% of body weight in a month), or decrease or increase in appetite nearly every day.
  • Insomnia (inability to sleep) or hypersomnia (sleeping too much) nearly every day
  • Psychomotor agitation or retardation nearly every day
  • Fatigue or loss of energy nearly every day
  • Feelings of worthlessness or excessive or inappropriate guilt nearly every day
  • Diminished ability to think or concentrate, or indecisiveness, nearly every day
  • Recurrent thoughts of death (not just fear of dying), recurrent suicidal ideation without a specific plan, or a suicide attempt or a specific plan for committing suicide

All of these symptoms she has and is taking care of the children (I use that lightly because I know her mom who is disabled is taking care of them).  She doesn't drive, she doesn't take care of herself, she thinks she is a witch who can cast spells on people, she doesn't attend any parent/teacher conferences, she has blue hair now (this changes on a monthly basis, last month it was fire engine red), she wears a pentagram like it was a trophy (she is proud to be a solitary witch!), this is the first job she has had that has lasted more than a month, the kids miss so much school I am shocked they are even promoted to the next grade, she is unrealiable, unstable, she teaches the kids to lie and cheat, but that having friends and music is what is important, she does not take care of their health, she is taking over a $1000.00 a month for child support and yet is on welfare (I don't even want to know how she pulled that one off!),  she tells the kids the most horrible things about their father, tells them not to believe him, got their daughter screaming when she sees her father who raised her, tells her daughter about daddy's whore (7 years old and I guess she came up with that one all by herself).  When his daughter was hospitalized after she tried to stab my daughter in the back with a butcher knife (mom told her to do that, well at least that is when she told the doctors) they thought that she was psychofrenic, that is what is taught to those kids.  How to lie that well that for 2 weeks she fooled an entire staff of doctors.   

Sorry for the ramble and I hope I made sense.  This is a very sore spot for me and my family and I just can't stand when someone defends it!  For all of these reasons and more I remain cynical to anyone with this condition raising children. 

  

  

 
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January 17, 2006, 10:09 am PST

01/09 Nasty Custody Battles

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You did not read my message at all. I NEVER refuse visits. He was palying a nother sly trick make me look bad in coourt. 

I merely wrote because I need help. Did you read the words domestic violence? 

Do you know how mentally abusive those people are with my kids. 

How dare you say I am the problem. 

Wow, are you bitter.  You are attacking everyone who isn't crying a river for you.  I am sure we are all sorry he beat you, but I think YOU need to read what people are saying to you.  YOU are the one putting yourself out here, what do you expect?   

I am sure, when you go to court, you go out of your way to make him look spectacular don't you?  Are you serious?   

You obviously have a problem.  I think you are used to getting your way and don't like it when you don't get it.  I can imagine what you say or how you talk to your children if you talk to strangers the way you do.  You are attacking everyone here who is not agreeing with you and that shows a serious sign of instability and inmaturity.   

What did you think people were going to say to you when you tell them you took off to another state with his kids?  What was wrong with just moving out or going to a woman's shelter?   

The more you post the more I want to know who your ex is so I can give him support in his dealings with you.  I wonder if he knows you are saying what you are saying her and how you are behaving.  That would make the courts change their mind about who the kids live with!!!!!! 

 
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January 17, 2006, 10:19 am PST

01/09 Nasty Custody Battles

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Problem with going to a sperm bank is it does not pay the single mom monthly. Also going to a sperm bank means she wanted to have a child.. and she decided to do it all by her self, which again limits the ability she has to force the object of her affections to become a part of her life on a more permanent basis. 

Getting pregnant on purpose gives women a way to get a support cheque and gives a way for them to have contact with a man they might not have been able to convince to be a part of their lives otherwise. 

Obviously a contentious issue.. people on this site of both genders have wide disagreement about how it sould be handled 

I am going to have to say that both parents are responsible for emotionally and financially supporting the children.  When one isn't doing one or the other (or stopped from doing so), it is harmful to the children.  Plain and simple, it is not cheap to raise children and that should be a thought before jumping into bed, after all, that is what sex is for, to make babies.   

I don't think that child support is a bad idea, I just think it needs to be reformed drastically.  Those who should be getting it don't and those who don't deserve to get it do.   

At least now, custody and support terms are being negotiated into prenups.  When things are civil between the two parties, that is when the best terms are laid to rest.  

 
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January 17, 2006, 12:57 pm PST

01/09 Nasty Custody Battles

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14 year old boy is statutorially raped by his 34 year old teacher, she gets pregnant.. should he pay her support?? 

Or... man uses condom, she retrives it from the trash, and impregnates herself with the contents.. not only sues him for support.. but admits under oath that she did just that... should he pay support? 

btw.. these are not "made up" they are actual cases... what do YOU think?? 

Those examples are very extreme and rare thank god.  The 14 year old boy had no concept of what was going on or the repercusions of the action, there still is a child involved and should still know the father if he so chooses to be in the child's life.  I would assume the parents of the boy, who would be responsible for him since he is 14, would have to make that decision for him.  But, just as a woman who was raped can choose or not choose to keep that child so can he.  As far as support for the child, I would assume the teacher would be jailed and the child would have to go somewhere, so who would be getting the support?  I would think that a woman in prison is not allowed to have children with her... 

As far as the woman with the condom, no, I do not think she should get it.  She took it upon herself to do what she did without consent.  I would assume that a man's sperm is his property???  LOL 

  

I feel that I may need to make myself clear as to where I stand with this issue.  Do all people (not just men) have to pay child support?  NO.  It would depend on the circumstance.  Not all women have custody of their children, please keep that in mind.  My issue is people that have kids to get child support, the upper hand, or control from another person.  That is not right and they should be punished.  I do get offended by people who try to weasel their way out of support though.  It's one thing if you were dupped, it's another to be cheap and nasty.  If you think that a woman who gets child support gets it just to tick off the guy you are wrong.  Well, not all do.  Do I think it is ok to take responsibility for a child for x number of years and once the marriage or relationship is broken just go away as if nothing happened?  No, it is not ok.  Do I think it is ok for some men to enjoy that woman in the heat of passion and then when a child becomes involved she is a gold digging slut?  No, I don't think so.   

I have a feeling if men were the ones to have babies, things would be much different.  Maybe for the better, but different none the less.   

I don't think it would sit easy with me either if all of a sudden I am pregnant and the man who helped get me there just took off... I think I would be a nasty sight to see too!!!  Why should one parent take all the burden of raising that child alone or having to explain why parent x is not around or doesn't care that he/she is suffering.  Should all children who have disinterested parents go up for adoption or foster care?  I don't think so.  I hope I am getting you wrong because we have been in agreement for most of this debate.   

 
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January 17, 2006, 1:06 pm PST

Great idea!!!!

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If anyone is interested in joining my grassroots crusade to reform family law to make it more family friendly and encourage parents to cooperate with each other and co parent after divorce in a civil and amicable manner contact me off list at wintrywood@comcast.net  Lets work together to keep children out of the middle of conflict between parents.  As long as we have laws that allow parents to battle over children it will continue. 

I threw you an email.  Let me know what we can do or what you have in mind!!!!! 
 
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January 17, 2006, 1:20 pm PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

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i  am not  enteraining  anyone.  i  am only telling the truth.  witness too people  about jesus..   its too help  the people that are lost too  get to know jesus and  hopefully  get saved one day..   i care for others and  i am  a true christian that wants too share jesus with others..
Not all who wonder are lost and want to be saved.  Please keep that in mind.  Thank you.  Have a great day. 
 
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January 17, 2006, 1:29 pm PST

I thought this was about bad luck and misfortune????

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hello,   people  that are lost and don't know jesus.  needs jesus..   people  that think  christians   are  ones that put  people down.  christians  don't do that.  a true christian  don't..   a true christian  has love in their hearts and tell the truth  about  jesus christ  and jesus word..   they witness to others about jesus.    a true christian  loves others and tell them the truth..  a false christian  says they are but don't have jesus in their  hearts.   too  be a true christian  you have too have him in your heart and fully live for him...   

How do you know what the truth is?  Where you there?  How do you know you have it right?  It sounds to me like you are putting people down because they don't want or need you to save them.  Sounds pretty high and mighty to me.  I don't need a supernatural entity to tell me the difference between right and wrong.  I do what is right and get trampled upon. 

  

Major Religions of the World
Ranked by Number of Adherents

(Sizes shown are approximate estimates, and are here mainly for the purpose of ordering the groups, not providing a definitive number. This list is sociological/statistical in perspective.)  

  1. Christianity: 2.1 billion
  2. Islam: 1.3 billion
  3. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
  4. Hinduism: 900 million
  5. Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
  6. Buddhism: 376 million
  7. primal-indigenous: 300 million
  8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
  9. Sikhism: 23 million
  10. Juche: 19 million
  11. Spiritism: 15 million
  12. Judaism: 14 million
  13. Baha'i: 7 million
  14. Jainism: 4.2 million
  15. Shinto: 4 million
  16. Cao Dai: 4 million
  17. Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
  18. Tenrikyo: 2 million
  19. Neo-Paganism: 1 million
  20. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
  21. Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
  22. Scientology: 500 thousand

Are the remainder 67% pagans that need to be saved????  Sounds like maybe you would be out numbered.  Tolerance is obviously not a true christian trait if that is what you are claiming to be....  

 
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January 17, 2006, 1:31 pm PST

01/17 Extreme Disorders

How sad was all of that... My heart goes out to them. 
 

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