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January 19, 2006, 7:55 am PST

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I have been sitting here reading some of these messages and I am so scared for my children. Sometimes I can be on this computer for all day trying to understand this illness and I just get more and more confused. I am learning eveyone is so different and this illness is complex to say the least. I feel like I am going crazy my self. I lost a daughter to suicide 3-16-2004.  She struggled every day from this illness and she would go on and off of meds since she was 13 yrs old. She finally gave up when she was 23 yrs old. She was so tired and worn out. I understand how treatment sometimes doesn't help. I have a fiftheen yr old son who is currently in residential now for the second time. He went when he was 9 yrs old and they had him on so many different meds that he was almost  a walking dead person. They misdiagnosed him so many times. This time he in the beginning of  Dec, 2005 he poured gas on himself and was going to set himself on fire. He is very angry and mean and has been all his life. They now say his primary problem is Major Depressive Disorder, Recurrent, Unspecified,  Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder NOS, this is a secondary problem, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, secondary also, and Bipolar 1 secondary too. ALL THIS SCARES ME! I really don't want to bury another child. Sometime when I see my son I am scared of what I say and do. It seems like he thinks eveything is my fault. My son who is 23 yrs old right now is currently in jail. He medicates himself with street drugs. 2 weeks ago he called me and told me he was wanting to cut himself (he does this quite often) I talked him thru it this time. He is also very sucidal and won't go get help. I dont' like feeling better when I know one of my children are in jail or treatment because I know they are safe. Its a hard way to live. I also have a 18 yr old who is a senior in high school. He excels in baseball. He has been diagnosed with mild bipolar in Dec. 2004. He wanted to commit suicide and be with his sister. They put him on Lexapro and Depakote. He got off these meds 6 months ago and was doing fine until the problems with his brothers started again. He asked me if I could try to get him back on meds again. I am calling the doctor as soon as the open. He does alot better when he is playing baseball off season is hard on him. He is looking into a college that plays all year round. As you can tell it seems like bipolar hits people is so many different ways and there is so much to understand. I feel like I am trying 24 hrs a day trying to keep my children ALIVE! If somebody can help with some information It would be very much appretiated. 

 
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January 19, 2006, 11:31 am PST

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I do empathize with you and I can feel your pain in what you write.  It is a struggle and overwhelming...as you already know.  My youngest daughter "attempted" suicide...the only thing that saved her was the fact that she needed to take far more pills than what she had taken...even though she took it all.  I did find her note...my heart was never so heavy.  I thank God...I found her when I did.  I only have two children with nearly identical problems...I don't know how I made it...I kept saying one day, one moment at a time and never look back...never size it up...just do what you can then.  I really wish I had this great advice for you...because your message is sooooo painful.  My heart goes out for what you have been through and what you will go through.  You know anytime they make a threat...never take it lightly...encourage medications...neither of mine will take medications either and they don't want to hear it.  Being supportive...your son going to college...keep encouraging him and compliment whenever warranted.  Even when they (including me) get older it helps that self-esteem to hear the positive.  Always be truthful in the positive statement...because they know if you're only saying it and not really meaning it.  The biggest thing...if you don't already have a "doc" for yourself...you have gone through a lot and they will give you tools and ideas to help you through all of this.  Do remember this....when you know you've down all you could do...you can't do anymore...and it is NOT your fault...for what they choose to do.  Good Luck....Rhonda   

  

  

Thank-you for your reponse. Sometimes it helps just to know there is somebody out there who understands what I am feeling. I am so happy you found your daughter in time. That is such a blessing. I remember once when my daughter was in a hospital after taking a bottle of aspirin and almost killed her. She was so mad at me for putting her in the physcyatric unit. She was yelling and screaming at me when I was going out the door. It broke my heart. It also kept her alive for 8 more years. She lived long enough to leave us with 2 beautiful identical twin girls who are now 6 yrs old and a goodlooking grandson who is 5 years old. I do have a lot to be thankful for sometimes it is so easy to forget the good things in life when we have so many burdens to carry. Good luck to you too...baseball
 
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January 19, 2006, 11:31 am PST

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I do empathize with you and I can feel your pain in what you write.  It is a struggle and overwhelming...as you already know.  My youngest daughter "attempted" suicide...the only thing that saved her was the fact that she needed to take far more pills than what she had taken...even though she took it all.  I did find her note...my heart was never so heavy.  I thank God...I found her when I did.  I only have two children with nearly identical problems...I don't know how I made it...I kept saying one day, one moment at a time and never look back...never size it up...just do what you can then.  I really wish I had this great advice for you...because your message is sooooo painful.  My heart goes out for what you have been through and what you will go through.  You know anytime they make a threat...never take it lightly...encourage medications...neither of mine will take medications either and they don't want to hear it.  Being supportive...your son going to college...keep encouraging him and compliment whenever warranted.  Even when they (including me) get older it helps that self-esteem to hear the positive.  Always be truthful in the positive statement...because they know if you're only saying it and not really meaning it.  The biggest thing...if you don't already have a "doc" for yourself...you have gone through a lot and they will give you tools and ideas to help you through all of this.  Do remember this....when you know you've down all you could do...you can't do anymore...and it is NOT your fault...for what they choose to do.  Good Luck....Rhonda   

  

  

Thank-you for your reponse. Sometimes it helps just to know there is somebody out there who understands what I am feeling. I am so happy you found your daughter in time. That is such a blessing. I remember once when my daughter was in a hospital after taking a bottle of aspirin and almost killed her. She was so mad at me for putting her in the physcyatric unit. She was yelling and screaming at me when I was going out the door. It broke my heart. It also kept her alive for 8 more years. She lived long enough to leave us with 2 beautiful identical twin girls who are now 6 yrs old and a goodlooking grandson who is 5 years old. I do have a lot to be thankful for sometimes it is so easy to forget the good things in life when we have so many burdens to carry. Good luck to you too...baseball
 
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January 19, 2006, 1:27 pm PST

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Hello scared mom.  My heart goes out to you.  I understand what you said about feeling better when your child is in treatment because then you know he is safe.  I had the same feeling.  My son's judgement was so impaired, that I felt better when he was hospitalized.  But stay hopeful things can get better and this illness can be managed.  I'm happy that your son has baseball as an outlet and I wish him the best.  I go to a support group.  I live in New Jersey, and our acting governor signed in a bill that provides counselling,  support groups, and education, to families dealing with mental illness.  There is also DBSA ( Depression and BiPolar Support Alliance) and NAMI.  These are national organizations that can be very helpful.  Julie Fast has a website.  She suffers from BiPolar Disorder and writes a monthly newsletter.   I find these things helpful.  And for me, prayer and spirituality help me a great deal.  I am hopefull that my son will learn to manage his illeness and live a productive and full life.  I am hopeful that new and better treatments will become available.  Dr Phil had a show on about asbergers and turrets disorder, and they are finding definate differences in brain images.  Perhaps these new findings will lead to better treatment.  Keep the Faith.   RC 
Thnk you for your response. I am finding myself stuck to this computer trying to find anything I can to help my children and I to find a way to get thru this. I live in Oregon and I can't find any support groups. Right now I find a lot of grieving groups that help me deal with my daughters suicide. And right now my focus needs to be on getting my sons the help they need to survive. I am going to see if I can find Julie Fast website I really appreciate you responding. Thanks so much! Scared mom
 
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January 19, 2006, 1:35 pm PST

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Your welcome...you are right about when someone understands what you are feeling.  Before the world of computers of message boards and computers...and when my oldest was 10...that was 17 years ago...I felt sooooooo alone...I thought I was the only one in that predicament.  Message boards are the best invention after buttered bread. ;-) 

  

One person, lostgirl, talks about journaling and how it helps.  Since, I've been writing on this message board...I can see where it helps.  This is a great board and a lot of people have really good input.  good luck and l look forward to talking to your again...Rhonda 

Yes, you are right. I feel better talking to someone. I have found myself overloading my self with reading. I really think its going to help sharing and talking on this message board. I going to have to stop looking up information for a while and see if I can get something done about dinner for my husband and son. They will really think I'm crazy if they don't get their dinner. I hope to talk with you soon. Thanks again! Scared Mom
 
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January 19, 2006, 2:23 pm PST

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I don't know if feeling lost comes here anymore to read.  

Odd how I picked the name reallylost.  

  

My husband recently commit suicide also. My life & world make no sense at all anymore.  

I walk around in my body but nothing feels real anymore. .....only the pain. My mind spins so fast. 

I do not blame myself. I understand it was his choice. But, I can get so lost in the empathy of how he was feeling & takes me deep in that pain. That part of it makes me think & re-think anything that I could have done differently to help him. I think the answer is no.  

When my mind can leave the pain he was feeling alone...it brings me back to my pain & trying to cope with it. It's too horrific. Totally reality has not set in for me yet. A place in my mind just can't comprehend how or why he could do this. We loved eachother. We were best friends. It was other stuff. But how could he do this & leave me with all this pain.  

Everyday I want to join him. Everyday I am exhausted with coping. I haven't found that one thing yet that makes me want to hang on.  

I could write a book on all the I feel. All that I fear. But I just don't even have the energy to try & think.  

Your message really caught my heart. I also feel the pain you feel. I lost my daughter to suicide 3-16-2004. I always wonder what I could have did to keep her alive. Right now I sit at this computer trying to find answers to the questions I have no idea I'm  asking. I just to want to know when this pain will go away. Or if it ever will. I have to try to find a way to keep going I have 3 more children to help thru their lose. Sometimes I feel like I have to fake it till I make it. And sometimes I wonder where I'm going to to make it. I'm so sorry for your lose and the pain you are going thru. I hope you find the strenght in you to keep going. 

 
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January 20, 2006, 7:12 am PST

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Hi this is scared mom. After taking your advice yesterday I went to the Julie Fast websight. She is very helpful and I will be purchasing her books very soon. Tank you so much. Now I was wonder if anybody has any advice on how I can explain to my 15 yr old son on how he is the one who has to be the one who knows himself better than anyone else and he will have this illness forever. Right now he is at the angry stage and feels like I just wanted to not deal with him anymore. Which is so not true. Right now my fellings are so mixed. I am glad he is in treatment so he is safe but what I see is they aren't teaching him about the illness. I see him getting really frustrated and feels the staff is nit-picking at every little thing and he is bottling every thing up. Right now he just wants to isolate and he gets points knocked off for that too. He is so frustrated. He share with me that he doesn't want to come home after treatment. He wants to go to a theraputic foster home because of the arguements we have had before treatment. I need to explain to him that it wasn't just us it was the illnesses he has and we neeed to lean all we can to get better as a family not run from this. Does any body kow of any good information I can share with my boy that he can understand and not get overwhelmed and frustrated. I will do anything to help him.  Thanks Scared mom
 
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January 20, 2006, 11:34 am PST

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Hi everyone 

I'm totally confused.  I was supposed to have a psych appointment on Jan 11th...but she called in sick.  So, I've been rescheduled for Feb 14th.  I put in a call today...hopefully, she'll call me back.  I've been diagnosed with major depressive disorder...recurring.  One time a different doctor and I were discussing dx...he said we aren't going to discuss that...because it is a label and it might upset you.  Being intimidated I let that go.  But, in December the "new" doctor said your bipolar...you have hallucinations...thoughts of suicide...obsessive.  I was more confused by what she was saying.... 

The first time attempted suicide I did hallucinate...that was what drove me to it...I was seeing things that weren't there and my head was spinning and the inside pain was intolerable...I just wanted it to go away.  I know I don't want to die...but the thoughts are there...the pain is there and I just want it to go away.  Last night the pain got bad and I knew I didn't want to die...but, how much more pain can I take?  Hallucination??????  My thoughts race through my head all the time.  Thoughts just pop in my head and I'll have a conversation with the person it's about..."in my head."  I leave my therapists office and I'll continue to have a conversation with her "in my head."  I don't think my mind ever rests.  Thoughts constantly just pop up...no rhyme or reason...I then have a conversation...many are ones I've already had.  This morning I had a repeat conversation on something that happened 18 years ago.  I've seen people posting about "voices".  Is this what they are talking about?  Is this not normal?  How could this be a hallucination?   

Now I'm questioning if I am being appropriately treated?     

Hi There.  I just read your message and it made me just cry. The emotional pain you are going thru makes me so sad. I have been on this computer again since 6:30 this morning. I have been going thru the web site Bipolar happens there is really a lot of informtion there. The last link I got on was What is normal! I really think I am going to get dressed and go see if I can get her book. I wish there was some way I could help but like I said I am new at this too. The pain in your message is so heartfelt. I hope to talk with you soon.  Keep hanging in there. And remember you are not alone.           From scared mom
 
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January 20, 2006, 2:10 pm PST

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 This is the first time I have ever posted anything but I'm beginning to wonder were else to go were others would understand what I'm going through.  Last night I got a phone call telling me that my dear friend of many years took his life. Earlier this week he had committed himself because he knew he needed and wanted help but yesterday when they released him from the hospital it wasn't but a few hours later that he was found. I'm not angry with him, he had been fighting his own inner demons his whole life, I just hope that he has finally got peace  It's been only a few hours since I found out and it's a lot easier then it was right after I was told, but now I feel numb...like I'm walking through a fog. I've never dealt with death before and I'm not sure how I'm supposed to act or feel.  It's surreal to me.  The main thing I'm dealing with right now is that I still have a few more calls to make to let friends know what happened and it tears me apart every time I've had to tell someone. I'm not trying to think about what he did but the memories that I have him, I'm afraid that if I don't I'll forget them.  I'm still a little rattled so forgive me if I sound like I'm rambling but thank you for taking the time to read what I have said.
I am so sorry to hear a about  your friend. I know how you feel. I lost my daughter to suicide last year. She also fought the demons most of her short life( she was 23 yrs old.)  Sometimes they just get tired. I do believe that our loved ones are now at peace and suffer no more. We have to remember that we were very lucky to have been part of their lives and lucky to have known and loved them. I cherish every moment and memory I had with my daughter. I Hope you can do the same for your friend. I wish you well! I hope to hear how you are doing soon.       Linda
 
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January 20, 2006, 3:09 pm PST

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I'm not sure what it is that i'm supposed write in here but i just felt a need to come and see and express myself about loosing a loved one. I'm a woman who's life was completely turned upside down a year and a half ago, loosing the love of my life in a way that still to this day seems so unimaginable. My soul-mate of a year and half had comitted suicide.It happened on a friday the 13th and the morning it happened we had an arguement concerning money and i left the house angry. He asked me where i was going and i was so angry that i simply said.."i dont know...I just don't know" and slammed the door behind me. I was not gone long(1 and half hours) and when i came home, after going to the public library to use the internet, I came back to find that he had hung himself. I have not been the same since that day. To this day there are foods i cant eat because he liked it , there are songs i cant listen too because it reminded me of us or him . I try to go on with my life and everyday it seems so hard to wake up without him and to lay alone everynight without him has been so hard. it has been only a little under a month that i have stopped crying every single day, everyday i cried, on the bus, at school, watching tv and at night when i go to sleep, that was how i would fall asleep. I don't cry everyday but it comes close. 

 I just can't seem to understand why? He left me no note or any clue.Did i say something , did i do something, what? and still i cant figure out why he left us. I feel like he gave up and he didn't love me or he loved me too much. Why me? Why did he feel like there was no way out. We were going to be ok, and the guilt of leaving that morning it is heavy to bear sometimes. People tell me "it's not your fault" but how am i supposed to believe that when i feel that i should have never left that morning. The worst part is that we barely faught in the year and a half we had been together, i can count on one hand the fighst we had. He was my absolute best friend and we did everything together. We were inseperable, the only time we were apart is whe i was in school and he would walk me to school and come get me after. We laughed together at the same silly things and we heard each other without saying a word. A simple look was all it took. I could never ask for more in a person than him. I was blessed our paths met and forever gratleful to have known him. 

We met the day before mothers day, two months after we moved in together, two months later we were engaged and he brought me to meet his family in Trinidad. We planned to move to Trinidad and grow old there. We knew we were meant to be together and there was nothing or nobody that could tear us apart. He was my knight in shinning armour and I knew he was the one.  

Just that week before his passing , we talked about getting married that summer in his homeland of Trinidad and we were to surprise his family and pay for their tickets to come. We were having money problems and it was going to be fine the following week (we were both going to recieve money), i know he always told people i was his backbone and without me he was nothing, and he alwasy told me that he loved me more than words can say. I loved this man more than anyhting i had ever loved before and my whole life i waited to meet a man like him and to have met him, loved him to have shared a life together is something i will cherish for the rest of my life.  

its been a long hard struggle every single day. I battled with thoughts of suicide on more than one occassion and yet i am still here. I don't know how some people do it but i want to say i am proud of u if your reading this and feeling what i am. I miss hearing that and "I love you". Sometimes it just feels good to hear. 

I really trying to get the words out on how I feel because like you it is so difficult to put our grief into words. I can't say I know how you feel cause I didn't lose my partner. I lost my daughter to suicide. She was having problems in her marrige and wanted a divorce from her husband. She called me and asked me to come up to Washington and help her I am from Oregon and I couldn't go because I have a 15 yr old son who is bipolar and was acting out. So I told her I couldn't come. 3 months later she was dead. I have beaten myself up over and over about my decision. I have did the if only so many times. It has been 2 years now. Now I try to be thankful that I had her in my life. Because like you I can't understand how she could have done this. Everybody has their reasons I guess. She also left behind 3 children. The pain that is left after someone commits suicide is sometimes unbearable at times. I took some advice from some one once and he said that our loved ones are now at peace and they have candles lit in heaven when they go out to play and our crying and sorrow sometimes put out their candles. I have to think that my daughter didn't mean to make me so sad. I got help thru and organization called the Survivors of Suicide because that is what we are. 

I hope you can find some peace in you grief. My prayers are with you.   

 

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