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March 1, 2006, 9:35 pm PST

Been where you are

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I'm so afraid to do this - the honesty you encourage me to give is so refreshing; but I'm so scared.  I screwed up; and I'm so afraid of losing everything that my husband & I have been through.  You are so right; I did allow this to happen.  I could have had my usual "Im married" barrier on, but I didn't.  Everything is a mess right now, and we have two young impressionable sons.   

  

In our house, everthing is a facade.  We act happy; we eat happy; we do homework happy; etc...... 

  

That's not real life.  Mommy made a HUGE lifetime mistake.  Can they every forgive me???  Will I ever have the courage to let them know???? 

  

Thanks for your opinion.  I'm just scared...... 

Stick with your therapist - you need to work on yourself and why you are where you are right now. 

DO NOT, under any circumstances, admit this emotional affair to your husband.  Honesty is not always the best policy.  Admitting your actions to "come clean" and try to alleviate your guilt is actually the most selfish choice you can make. The pain you will cause your husband will never be worth it, trust me.  And it certainly won't have the desired effect of fixing your relationship.  He will never be able to look at you the same way again.  If you really want to protect your children and your marriage bear the guilt and pain alone.  (And that means without Mr. FeelGood - if you don't say goodbye to him you really aren't serious about saving your family from terrible heartache).  Continue to search for answers within yourself and redirect all the energy you feel towards your new friend at your husband instead.  Instead of thinking you need the "courage" to let your family know, summon the courage to protect them from this indescretion, at least until you get your head screwed on straight and stablize your marriage. You can fix this, but not by telling your husband.  Please believe me, you put your children's emotional, financial and physical stability at great risk if you bring your husband into this right now.  Please do not despair, this can really be a great opportunity for you to grow as a person.    

 
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March 2, 2006, 10:48 am PST

WHY?:

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I have a hypothetical question about cheating ... But of course it's based on a friend of mine's real situation!   She had an emotional affair about 5 years into her marriage during an extremely difficult time in her life (for reasons that had nothing to do with her husband).  She did not have sex with the other guy, but they did "make out" and she was heavily emotionally invested.  Both were married to other people and the affair lasted about 6 months.  It's been over 3 years since then and the woman now has 2 children with her husband.  The situation is very much more stable and she says she would never cheat again, especially now that there are children involved.  But she struggles with whether she should tell her husband.  He does know that she was spending a lot of time with that guy. She was honest with him each time she was with the other guy and told her husband that the guy was just a very good listener.  In some way, her husband probably does know or suspect that it crossed a line.  But should she bring it up after all this time and come clean with him?   

WHY, after all this time, when her marriage is stable and there are children involved would your friend think for one moment about divulging this information of her past emotional affair?  The price for alleviating her guilt is one her family would pay dearly for.  There is nothing to be gained at this point by "coming clean" with her husband.  Advise your friend to talk to her priest or clergy person to look for help in living with her guilt. If she selfishly confessed to her husband NOTHING would ever be the same again. Tell her not to put her marriage and children's emotional well-being at such horrible risk, just DON'T DO IT.
 
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March 2, 2006, 2:42 pm PST

Hang in there!

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I appreciate not only what you wrote, and your "getting it" ; but what I have read from all the boards.  I have learned much in the past few days, and thank all of you for your honesty. 

  

I have made a decision, I'm working on my marriage.  Went to counseling today, again; had already cut off contact.  It is not in anyone's best interest for me to continue to be in touch with the "guy", until we can figure out what to do at home.  I feel terribly about the choice I made that night; and the contact after that.   

  

I need to be honest with myself, to sort out your opinions from my own.  I do want you to know that I appreciate your opinions, and was looking for help; its why I wrote in.  I wonder how many people have experienced this.  Those of you who wrote about selfishness - you are so right.  I was thinking not of the hurt I may have caused anyone, or the wake of destruction, but only how good I felt, and how much I missed feeling this way.  I'm very ashamed of that.  I have decided to try to find a way that works, to make this happen at home.  Some of you wrote that I put my children before my husband - you are also right!  In the blink of an eye; it felt like I had 3 children, instead of 2 children and a spouse.  And I let that happen. 

  

I have many more thoughts on this.....some more philosophical than others; but will reserve them for now.  Mostly I wanted to express my appreciation for the time all of you took to help someone you don't even know. 

  

Hang in there Skimom, you are on the right track now! If I could offer one suggestion, look for M. Scott Peck's book, The Road Less Traveled.  This was very helpful to me when I needed to figure myself and my past choices out.  I'll be thinking of you.
 
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March 9, 2006, 7:29 am PST

Give me a break!

Did I just hear this woman say her kids are too toxic to be around???? Give me a break!   

  

These two people are in such denial about themselves individually that they can't even see how they have caused their children's obnoxious behavior. 

  

These unfortunate young people will have tremendous hurdles to overcome from being raised by these two parents.  God help them, I'm not so sure Dr. Phil isn't in over his head on this one. 

 
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March 9, 2006, 7:57 am PST

Don't be so superficial

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Has anyone noticed that Michael's son David has BLUE eyes??  Isn't it impossible for two brown-eyed parents to have a blue-eyed child?  As far as I know it is, so how can David be Michael's child?   

What a silly thing to focus on, with all the problems these people have. 

  

OF COURSE brown-eyed people can produce blue-eyed children! But even if they couldn't, David has been raised by Michael his whole life - that makes him his father. 

 
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March 9, 2006, 10:01 am PST

Thanks!

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It isn't rare statistically.  When parents both have a brown and blue eyed gene, one in every four children will be blue eyed, one in four children will have two brown eyed genes and two in four will be like their parents, visibly brown eyed but with a recessive blue eye gene.
I love it when people who actually know something take the time to educate those that don't!!!  
 
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March 9, 2006, 10:36 am PST

This couple has serious problems

Bridgette and Michael (and because of them, probably their children too) can not do as some of you suggest and just appreciate how lucky they are and how much they have. This is because they definitely suffer from a serious character disorder. They are not willing to take responsibility for how they have chosen to live their lives and for what they have taught their children. 

  

People with character disorders can't see themselves as the source of their own problems (which they are).  BRIDGETTE AND/OR MICHAEL, IF YOU ARE READING THIS YOU NEED SERIOUS INDIVIDUAL HELP.  While you are getting it (and I pray that you will continue to do so) please buy and read Scott Peck's book, THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED.  Starting on page 35 he discusses this problem of character disorders and how distructive people like you are to your children. Fortunately, there is always hope for those willing to do the tough work of self-examination.  Good luck. 

 
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March 9, 2006, 1:37 pm PST

Neither of these two are worthy of healthy partners right now!

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I was totally surprised about the mothers attitude, does she know how lucky she is to have a man put up with her negativity for that long, the poor me syndrone! He has tried to change. Sounds like she should think more about being a good mother & wife than turning everyone against her. If I saw myself on TV acting like  she did, running him down I would be wondering why he hasn't divorced me already. 

The reason he hasn't divorced her already is that he is an emotionally unhealthy as she is!! 

  

Believe me, this man is very co-dependent and no prize himself.  Water seeks its own level and these two belong together until they each, independently, make the comittment to get to the bottom of why they have chosen to live this way. 

  

Those of you who are offended that Bridgett doesn't just learn to appreciate all the material possessions and comforts she has are simplfying the situation way too much.  Don't you see, she can't learn to behave with an attitude of appreciation and gratitude until her narcacisstic personality and mental illness are dealt with! 

 
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March 10, 2006, 7:51 am PST

She isn't capable of that right now, don't you see?

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I think Bridgette should count her blessings, she said if anyone else wanted Mike they could have him...I'll take him! He seems to be the only one in the family who tries to change. There are people living on the streets who have nothing and people who have lost everything to Katrina and she has the nerve to complain. If she spent her time volunteering at homeless shelters or in nursing homes I think she would have a new appreciation for how lucky she is and for how much she has. I wish I had such a hard working, good looking man. Her children may be screwed up but they are all healthy and alive and there is always help for the screwed up. Count your blessings...all of you!

I want to repeat something I wrote earlier because I think it is worth repeating everytime I see a post like yours.... 

   

Those of you who are offended that Bridgett doesn't just learn to "count her blessings" and appreciate all the material possessions and comforts she has are simplfying the situation way too much.  Don't you see, she can't learn to behave with an attitude of appreciation and gratitude until her narcacisstic personality and mental illness are dealt with!   Saying she should just count her blessings is like telling a person with two broken legs in casts to run the Boston Marathon. 

  

And regarding your statements about taking Mike if she really doesn't want him - ARE YOU NUTS? Believe me, this man is very co-dependent and no prize himself.  Water seeks its own level and these two belong together until they each, independently, make the comittment to get to the bottom of why they have chosen to live this way.  

   

 
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March 12, 2006, 11:05 pm PST

AMEN!

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I grew up in a broken home with my father having multiple affairs while I was growing up.  My fathers first affair was confessed to my mom on my sisters 13th birthday. (Happy Birthday to my sister, needless to say she will never forget that day for the rest of her life)  I was 4.  The last affair (confessed that is..) came out when I was 21.  My parents are still together and have fought like cats and dogs for years and still do.  I am now 35. 

  

I just have this to say to people who think it is just "sex" or maybe not sex just "a friendship".  THIS AFFECTS EVERYONE in the home.  If you truly think that no matter unfaithful you are to your marriage that you can still be a good parent, you are lying to yourself and just making yourself feel better about what you are doing to your spouse and your children.    

  

No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to be married.  If you want to play around, stay single and wear a condom.  Do not bring children into this world when you cannot commit yourself entirely to your spouse.  Children deserve to be brought up in a household where they know what love is and how to pursue their own relationships WITHOUT BAGGAGE. 

  

I am thankful that I have sought therapy for my own insecurities brought on by the infidelity of my father but I will never forget the pain and suffering I watched my mom go through.  Not to mention in the words of Dr. Phil, my mom continues to kick his ass everyday since then.  My father too had a hard time "growing up" and had 3 kids before the age of 23. NO EXCUSE!  Suck it up!  My mother was an idealist who thought life could be like a romance novel. 

  

To all spouses of a cheater out there, DO NOT confide in your children regarding what your husband is doing.  My mother made that mistake with me and no child should know the in's and out's of her parents marriage/sex life.  Get a therapist and you are better off to GET OUT!  You are worthy of someone's love and respect and always remember LOVE SHOULDN'T HURT!!! 

Well worth repeating... 

  

"To all spouses of a cheater out there, DO NOT confide in your children regarding what your husband is doing.  My mother made that mistake with me and no child should know the in's and out's of her parents marriage/sex life.  Get a therapist and you are better off to GET OUT!  You are worthy of someone's love and respect and always remember LOVE SHOULDN'T HURT!!! " 

 

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