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April 4, 2006, 6:03 am PDT

I can relate

To Amber:  I can so relate to your situation.  I am 40 years old and have been married to my husband for 16 years.  Regarding finances, he's the very same way.  Up until about 4 years ago, I was the one who wrote checks for the bills and we had a joint checking account.  My husband would continually spend money like we had a money tree in the back yard.  I had to juggle bills all the time and it was very stressful.  I tried and tried to talk to him about it but he is very immature and selfish.  I wanted us to work toward the same goals and his goal was to get what he wanted when he wanted it.  He would make major purchases without even consulting me.  One time he came home in a red corvette!  Another time he bought a 36' boat.  Actually, I think he bought about 3 different boats.  Anyway, when he would come home with this stuff I felt like he was doing it to me.  I'd ask him, "Don't you realize what this is doing to me?  We cannot afford this.  How are we going to pay for it."  His response was the way he grew up.  He'd pay for it as long as he could and then they could repossess it.  I was not raised that way and I did not want to live that way.  Like you I saw red flags before the marriage but I thought we had so much fun together that everything would work out.  Well, 4 years ago I ended up having a nervous breakdown and had to spend 7 nights in the psychiatric ward.  Which actually turned out to be the best thing I ever did for myself because they hooked me up with counseling and through that I learned to take care of myself.  While I was in the hospital and I told him that finances were my major problem, he said he would start paying the household bills and we could each have a personal account to pay for our individual credit cards, etc.  Well, that really took a load off me.  It feels wonderful not to have my money snatched from me because of his childish whims.  Since then I have been able to pay off all but one of my credit cards and I am saving money.  I hate that we have to like like this but this is the only way to keep my sanity.  About 2 days after I got out of the hospital and he knew that finances were pushing me over the edge, he came home and announced he had bought another very large boat.  I believe I stopped breathing for a moment.  I asked him how he could do this to me knowing what I just went through.  He said it was his money and he would pay it.  Anyway I haven't spent a dime on that boat but it just showed me that he was always going to think of himself first and the marriage second.  I didn't want to divorce because our daughter was 2 years old and I was afraid if we weren't married she would never see him.  I didn't think he would want his life bothered with what he called "that baby".   Since then I have learned to expect a lot less from him, actually expect nothing from him and I don't get upset because he never lets me down because I never had any expectations to begin with.  I truly hate that my marriage is this way.  If I had it to do over I never would have married him in the first place.  Think about that.  Think hard.  Take care of yourself.  If you don't take control of your life, someone else will.  I wish you much luck.  Sorry this is so long, I just kinda got on a roll.
 
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April 6, 2006, 2:51 pm PDT

To Christy: Kick him to the curb!

You deserve soooo much better.
 
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April 7, 2006, 8:53 am PDT

Dr. Phil, this message is for you.

About the lady with the free reign on sex, can't you do something to have those children removed from that home?  I am all for being up front and honest about sex but that has to be age-appropriate and does not have to include x-rated pictures, of your own mother!.  This woman is definately sick.  Dr. Phil, you always instruct people to be the children's voice because the children have no voice.  Be these children's voice. 
 
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April 7, 2006, 9:22 am PDT

Lady, you are sick too.

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FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE GETS IT IN OUR SOCIETY TODAY!!!!   

My mother never taught me about sex.  Her explanation of french kissing was 'the male inserts his tongue into the female's mouth and they exchange saliva'.  When I said that was gross and asked if Daddy ever did that to her, she turned all shades of red and said "Well, yes, but only on special ocassions."  I knew asking about oral sex was ABSOLUTELY out of the question.   

  

At 16, I used birth control to the best of my knowledge.  If I had sex, we used a condom.  If we wanted to do it again, we turned it inside out and used the other side - because there was spermicide on both sides - right?  I stole a pack of birth control pills from a lady I babysat for and if we were going to have sex, I'd take one.  When I got pregnant, I wouldn't let him touch me because I didn't want to have twins.  I knew if we continued to do it, I would have a full litter just like my dogs and guinea pigs - who were always doing it.  Funny but very sadly true. 

  

When my daughter was 5, a neighbor had aC section.  She came home hysterical and told me to call Aunt Maggie and tell her not to have her baby - the doctors were going to cut her stomach open and rip the baby out.  After calming her down, I told her there was a special place babies come out - its called a vagina, and all girls have one.  She wanted to see it, so I put her in the tub and showed it to her.   

  

Through the years, I have had a comfortable open relationship with my kids regarding sex.  My 17 year old son asked me what PMS was and if girls liked their nipples played with like his dog did, and we could talk about those things.  My daughter felt comfortable enough to say she wanted to be on birth control.  They brought their friends home to talk because they couldn't talk to their parents.  I ALWAYS had parents encourage it because they were too embarrased.  Why? Sex is nothing to be ashamed of - we all do it but no one can talk about it.  It's crazy. 

  

I was not nearly as open or graphic with my kids as these too ladies were, but I don't see anything wrong with it.  They're not involved in the sexual practices or allow them to watch 'Mommy in th swing'.  The body is natural and nudity in the home breeds acceptance of body image.  You are comparing apples and oranges when you talk about their web site.  That's an extra-curricular activity that they do in addition to their home life.  Their kids are not on the site and showing it to the 14 year old who is old enough to understand takes away the curiosity.  I applaud them for the limited use allowed on the computer.  I trust they are monitoring where they go when they are on it.   

  

As for my children?  They are now 30 and 27.  They adopted good and important principles.  My daughter got through her teen years pregnancy free.  My son was a virgin when he got married to a wonderful girl he dated for 6 years.  He is college educated and an ordained minister at a baptist church (oh, did I forget to say they were raised in the church?).  They have two wonderful children  

  

Do I think the Moms are extreme?  Yes.  Do I think they go over the line - yeah, probably.  I could not share my partner with someone else in my home, but if it works for them, who am I to disagree.  Breastfeeding by two moms might actually be a convenience so they don't have to be tied to the baby 24/7.  But it is their life and they are teaching the kids things they will learn about anyway.  I didn't hear anything perverted or even illegal if you ask me.  I didn't hear Dr. Phil bring up one bit of evidence that the children are not happy, healthy and well-adjusted.  He always does his research in those areas, so they must be doing something right.  Unfortunately, our society is so judgemental, that they won't think to look at that.  They will only look at how these people choose to live their private lives in their own home.   

  

Thank you Dr. Phil for bringing this topic to light. 

You can't see the forest for the trees. 
 
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April 7, 2006, 10:12 am PDT

Dr. Phil: re: Margaret

I just posted a message asking you to please have those children removed from the home.  I was so shocked by how the children were being forced to live that I really wasn't thinking about their mother.  Now that I am, can you have her arrested?  Making her daughter walk around the house 2 hours nude for punishment?  Surely, that must fall under the heading of some type of abuse.
 
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April 7, 2006, 11:57 am PDT

04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

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And you can't see her words for the letters maybe. Nothing she said was in the least unreasonable!

You say nothing the previous poster said was unreasonable.  Is it unreasonable to have a 14-year old girl naked for 2 hours in the house while there is a grown man living there?  That man was not her father, he was the other woman's husband.  It is not unreasonable to show your children porn? of yourself?  It is not unreasonable to let inappropriate aged children play with sex toys?   

  

I also read your posting to the lady about the moral decline in our society.  I can see that we are not on the same page.  Lets just agree to disagree. 

 
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April 12, 2006, 4:59 am PDT

Just one quick thing

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kay, this is just bizzare. I'm not advocating for 13-year-olds to have sex! I'm advocation for education that is thorough, and giving them the knowledge they need to be able to make the decision not to have sex until they are ready. It's a nice enough idea for you to say 'well they just shouldn't have sex, so there, the end', but that's not giving your kids the tools they need to come to that conclusion. and kids NEED to have the ability to make these decisions for themselves, because when they are faced with the choice to have sex or not to, they will be alone...and if they don't have all the information, they won't be able to amke an informed choice. and that's when you see this 'omg, she's pregnant! I can't believe it! she wa s such a good girl!! and I already talked to her about not having sex...I told her it could get her pregnant and told her not to do it! I can't believe this!!".  

  

to me, it's just common sense. when you tell a teenager 'don't you dare come back any later than 10:30!!', anyone with teenagers will tell you, likely at some point they will step in the door at 10:31 just to show you. I don't want my kid having sex just to show me. 

  

I don't think your'e reading my posts particularly carefully...I'm not saying 'teach kids that sex is all the fun and feels great, the end'. any teenager who hasn't had sex will tell you feels great. cuz they haven't had it. I teach my kids that yeah it feels good - WHEN YOU ARE DOING IT RESPONSIBLY! ie, when you have trust between two people, when you are being safe, when you are not sneaking, when you are mature enough to understand the consequences of the decision - THEN it feels good. my kids know that, and I think it's unlikely they will be having sex all that early, because they know what needs to happen for it to be enjoyable, and at 13, you can't meet all those criteria. if they DO make a bad decison early, though, they have the too;s to do it safely, and the self-esteem to insist that it be done safely. obviously I'm not encouraging my kids to go and have sex as soon as they can. 

  

you say 'sex is for procreation...god made it so...oh yeah, and he made it feel good but we don't know why and anyway kids don't need to know that'. are you saying god made a mistake? cuz as far as I can see, sex is supposed to feel good as much as it is supposed to procreate. and by your theory, teaching your kids sex is only for procreation discourages them from practicing safe sex.  

I want my kids to know about the amazing bodies they have been given, and learn to enjoy them, and keep them safe. and so that's how I educate them: telling them all the amazing things their bodies can do, from taking them places, protecting them, giving them sexual pleasure, cuddling, sports etc etc. they have their own bodies and they know how to protect and enjoy them...now don't you think that god of yours would want them to enjoy what he gave them? and the better they know their own bodies, limits, etc, the more likely they are to feel confident in themselves and make good decsions for themsleves. 

  

What ever anyone's opinion is, they all vary, and we all have one, but please do not refer to God with a lower case g.  God is the one and only God and he deserves the respect of having his named spelled correctly. 

Thanks. 

 
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April 20, 2006, 9:22 am PDT

To Shannon

Shannon, hopefully this therapy that Dr. Phil is arranging will be eye-opening for you.  From what was shown on the show, I think you need to move out.  Dr. Phil mentioned that you were working and that you were going to college.  However, "she" mentioned you had a 1.8 gpa.  If that's true and if money is an issue (which it is for most of us), then stop going to college right now and pursue full time work.  With the extra money you can support your self independently, or maybe share rent with a girlfriend.  This is just my opinion, but take care of your mental health first and your education later.  Unless miracles happen when the "parents" get counseling, things aren't going to change for you.  So make the changes for youself.  It may be sad and it may not be the way you want it to be, but you have to get real and take care of yourself.  Pray for God's help, I will pray for you too.  Connie 

  

P.S. I cannot imagine how you must have felt being told you were going on vacation and being left in a boarding school for a year!  You have already shown you are smarter than me because I do believe that when I returned home, I probably would have run away and never looked back. 

 
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April 28, 2006, 8:53 am PDT

I can't believe this!

I can't believe the attitude of these guys on this show!  Whether they have been spoiled all their life or not you would think they would now love their mothers enough to want to take some burdeon off them.  I grew up in a blue collar family and started working part time when I was 16.  At that time since I had my own money (only minimum wage which I think was about 3.30 then-early 80s) I started buying my own clothes, my own gas, etc.  When I became a senior I was the one who paid for those really expensive senior pictures and I paid to go to  the beach on my senior trip.  I did this out of love for my father.  I had seen him work so hard all my life to take care of me and my brother and when I was able to take some pressure off him or in some way make his life easier I was glad to have that opportunity- because I loved him that much.  I can't believe these guys.  I really can't.
 
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May 17, 2006, 6:24 am PDT

Amber and child

You can tell by looking at his guy's eyes that he is crazy.  Amber, take the adivce that has repeatedly been given on this board.  You're child deserves an equal chance in life and not one that's already negative.  You can do it.  You do have the strength.  God will help you, just pray and ask.  I will pray for you also. 

  

 

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