Messages By: meowmumtu

  The lady who appeared yesterday about her physic gift needs to learn more about how to Handel it ! I would most strongly advise her to read up on the effects of telling someone of some impending death or illness ! A very great deal of damage can be done to one who is acceptable to suggestion or is naive. In my opinion, until she has more information she should NEVER tell someone that she dreamed of death or illness in either the person themselves, or someone close to them. Its ramifications could induce an intolerable stress level, a sense of impending doom or a needless anxiety. 

  The gift of "Seeing" does exist, not always in the form she speaks of though. Mothers have intuitive "feelings" about their kids quite often....and its nearly the same thing, but without vision.Others have learned to listen to that "Inner Voice" that tells them not to do, or to do, something. Thats mealy another form of the same gift. 

I posted under "Seeing the future" before i figured out how this board works. I stand by what I wrote there. 

Karen MUST learn how to deal with this gift before she totally screws something up ! Maybe even fouls up someones life forever ! Its my opinion that she is blind to what her gift means, or how to use it.  Her attitude seems to be that this is some sort of Parlor game, and that what ever she says has no consequence ! Shes wrong ! Until she learns, she should keeps her mouth shut, the harm she can do is just beyond belief, she knows absolutely nothing of  the Physic side of life, good or bad, and is therefore not qualified to say who, or what ,is dark sided or Walking in the Light. 

As to Dr. Phil's reactions to this Lady... I just think he is UN-informed in these matters, as most are. Some heavy reading  in the form of research should open his eyes. Hes very open-minded, and this is just something he hasn't yet learned. 

I don't think watching TV programs are going to convince Dr. Phil . They wouldn't convince even me, and I'm into the paranormal to a degree. I KNOW there are more things out there than we are able to understand easily. But I also have an inquiring mind...when I want to know about something, I go read up on it. By learning everything you can about any given thing, even something like the Paranormal, you may find your attitudes and beliefs will change. Its a simple matter of "the more you know" ! 

The "tests"  that are run on people who have, or claim to have, any sort of Physic ability are always inconclusive. Simply because no one can scientifically "prove" something they cant see. Its a Catch 22...its there, but cant be "proved". 

Enlightenment doesn't come easy..its a long hard road. It takes effort, and many are not willing to invest the time and energy, which is a shame to my mind. You quit being open to things you don't understand and your ready to lay down and die.! 

Never close your mind to anything you don't understand, as many don't understand Karen's gift (including her !), simply because you personally don't understand it, doesn't mean it isn't real !!!!! 

An open mind to new things will enable you to keep growing, which we all must, for if we dint keep growing we are lost. 

If you really care about this girl, which I dont feel from your post, take the time to find out what damaged her so badly that shes acting this way !  

Ill tell you from experience, you start on your son with your idea on her and you'll end up driving HIM away ! Ive been there and done that...and I ended up the looser. You start telling him whats wrong with his choice of a partner, your questioning his ability to choose...and that ONE HUGE MISTAKE !  

The best thing you can do is simply keep your mouth shut and let your kids work it out. Doesnt matter if you love or hate thier choices, or what you think. That was THIER choice, not yours.  

The thing that blows me away about this whole deal is that no one seems to grasp is that when you damage a child early on, you come up with these behaviors. When a child is DE-valued by the parent...or becomes "invisible" the damage is so severe that the adult  may never recover.  It took 67 years for me to even half way recover, Ill never be whole, and thats the way it is, Ive reached a place where I'm safe..and after all that damage thats a good thing !  Any parent who lays this "your world less "on a child is beneath com tempt in my estimation.  

First, kids have no idea of how life works, its up to the Parent to teach it...some Parents have a habit of saying "Well, you know that"...point is the kid DOESN'T know it ! They were never taught, and thus, they DINT know.  Parent must never assume that a child knows something, unless the Parent teaches, the child does NOT know. 

Kids who are left in the dust, or only have a frail grasp  on Family interactions, never fully develop a healthy relationship. Its not their fault, they were taught early on, that they have no value. How can one be expected to develop  normally when they believe they have no value ?  

Women who fall in this crack have so little self that they will grab onto, and hang onto, someone who abuses them. Its all they know, and they have no escape unless something makes Thom realize that they can get out, that they dint want to...or have to ,live this way !  

The children of such Parents have no self either, and God only knows where that will lead them. When you have no "Self" your just lost.  

The child who finds themselves in Shannon's position is one who really needs to find someone, or something that will separate them from the abuse she is going through. If she cant, the damage will be so serious that surviving it will be almost insurmountable. She knows there is a serious problem that will arrest her development..hopefully someone who saw the show acne help steer her into a Program that will help.  

As for the Dad and that woman who says shes a Step-Mom......you BOTH need help !  In my opinion, both need a serious intervention from Family services....ggggrrrrr  

Theres more to this out-of-control thing than meets the eye. I had (have) a Son who is in such poor control of himself that Im afraid most of the time that he will hurt, or even kill, one of us...probably me !  

Those of us who live with a child like this just drive ourselves crazy trying to find the right path to not only help the kid, but keep ourselves safe. They are NOT demonic..how absurd ! These are kids with problems we cant even begin to ubderstand. Its unfortunate, but most Parents..myself included, listen to all those "Experts" who think they know just how to fix the kid. You cant "Fix" them, that has to come from them themselves, but finding the right  way to help them to find the answers is just about impossible for the average parent. My Son spent 2 1/5 years in a Residentail treatment center for kids, starting when he was 9..it was the absolute worst thing that ever could have happened to him ! But, thats what the "Experts" said was needed...WRONG ! It shattered his entire life. He went on to getting messed up with the courts, and finally ended up in prison..because he couldnt find a way to fit into a normal life..he wanted life his way, not the way it is. The bottom line on the whole mess was that I, and his Dad, could not find  the right way to steer him,,,so he created his own world where he was the only one in control. He's 39 this year, and still has more problems than he can deal with, he's angry to to the core and explodes regularly... i had to remove myself from his life for my own safety...but......I failed him when he was young ..I..and I alone missed the clues that could have given him a bit of peace within himself...I just didnt do it right, although it seemed correct at the time.  

Do I beat myself up over this..no, I dont, but Im the looser here..and I can live with that. I did the best I could, at the time. That it turned out badly for him is not really my fault..I tried hard to help him.  

Hes old enough and has been for a long time to seek the help he needs, that I couldnt give..he wont do it, and I cant change that.  

To come to the nut of it..and Shannons problems.....Good God  girl.....go get the help you need to be a whole person ! Get out of that house, away from your family for how ever long it takes you to get your head squared around ! Just because life has been a nightmare up to now doesnt mean it always has to be.  

Best of luck to you Shannon !  

Bless your heart Annette....and hugs back ! This was a nice way to start my day, its always good to feel we are validated ! LOL..we may be old...but we ain't brain dead....LOL 

BJ 

I'm in agreement on this. The child should have been, and still needs to be, in counseling. Wouldn't hurt the rest of them either..;-)  

I think the second marriage must have come before the child had time to heal. I dint think the time interval was ever mentioned on the show. Kids dint get over the death of a parent all that easily, if ever, and this situation is a perfect example of how NOT TO treat a traumatized child ! Think about it....she saw her Mom die, went through all the grieving that accompanies shush a terrible thing. Then she's bounced from pillar to post with relatives while Dad does his thing. That stinks !  

Barbara ? Well......  

At least she ADMITS she hates the girl, lets give her that much. She also says she is AFRAID she might hurt her, or even kill her. She sounded to me like she was very concerned about her reaction to the child. Lets give her that also.  

Id like to know why she married the Dad KNOWING how she felt ! Also...what was Dad thinking to marry her in the first place, know hawing she felt ??????? Talk about selfish !  

In my own opinion the child needs to be removed from the entire family...even Foster care (which I haven't much use for most of the time) is better than what shes going through. She needs stability and love, even if from strangers. She probably will need years of counseling, and I pray she comes out alright in the end.  

As for the parents...they deserve each other !!  

BJ  

Boy, talk about digging up the pain !  

Step-parents can be a blessing, or a curse..  

I had a step Dad, and for most of my young life I was the scapegoat between him and Mom when they fought. Which they did frequently, loudly and violently.  

I wont get too far into that, beyond saying I ended up in an institution for "bad kids" when I was 12...yea Gods ! Didn't need locking up..I needed HELP ! anyway.......  

Some 30 years afterward..time when my life was a train wreck looking to happen..I had to go "home" because Mom was dying. I had my eyes opened and it shook me to my core. It wasn't Dad that was the instigator in the trouble..it was Mom ! She was selfish beyond belief among other things, and she absolutely HATED me ! All my life I had thought it was Dad who did the hating !  

Having had many years to grow up, time to get away from the turmoil, and with the wisdom of maturity I learned that Dad was really a pretty great guy who lived with a shrew  for over 30 years. How he survived her is belong me. I also discovered that he REALLY loved me..not just lip service..he LOVED me ! His death 3 months later shattered me, and I still miss him. Mom died 5 months after him and I got a really good look at her. OMG...what a b***h ! I tried my best to care for her at the end, both physically and emotionally. It was a relief when she passed all the way around.  

And..I had wondered forever why I was so screwed up ? sheesh ! Took a break down and years of therapy, but Ive finally found peace at last.  

So, my message in the end on Step-parents is this....look at both sides, you may be surprised at the answers you get.  

BJ  

I also  wonder if Dee-Dee will stick to this, my opinion is that she will...for a while. Its going to be far more difficult than she can ever imagine.  

Up here in MN. we watched a man named Patrick Duel go through it on TV. He weighed over 1000 lbs !! No joke ! Its been more than a year since he had Gastric By-pass, which they had to wait several months to do because he had to loose so much just to get it done. He spent close to 6 months in hospital ! He's now down to about 350, he just had a huge papaloma (sp ?) removed..a big bulge of tummy fat that kept him from walking...it hung past his chins...  

I wish Dee-Dee all the best, but Id almost be willing to bet that unless she goes into hospital first, and takes some weight off under supervision, she'll fall off the program. Her addiction to food is just too strong to handle alone.