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October 17, 2006, 7:19 am PDT

What was he like before you were married?

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I have read the posts and must say I am  quite shocked at some of the responses!  I knew that Nathan and I had problems but didn't think they were so out of control! Looking from the outside in, I can see the issue of control. Nathan doesn't see it as a problem, he says he doesn't want to control the money or budget but that I force him to. We don't make the same amount of money, so it wouldn't be fair to split bills down the middle. I work full time, take care of my 6 year old, and clean the house! Maybe I should get a bill together for all the housework I do and present it to Nathan. We have yet to sit down and go over a budget together! I told him that we have to get back into counseling before our marriage is over. Thanks for all of your support.
 Hello, Luv!
Many women(men) think they can change the 'intended' once they are married.  But, by the time a man or woman is marriageable, behavior patterns are set............or there'd be no business for the shrinks.  What's more, people ALWAYS tell you who they are, and you should listen, listen, listen.  The hormone thingie passes, and what's left is business.  What that business entails, should be worked out before the dotted line is signed.  Too late for that now. 
If you love this man, then make all efforts to gain counseling together.  If he refuses, that's a clue.  We have one life, we should seek it to be fulfilled. 

I don't know if your problem is real or imagined by Nathan, but HE MOST CERTAINLY has a problem with control.  You're not his puppet on his string, you're an equal partner, with equal responsibilities and equal opportunities when it comes to decisions.  He needs someone to help him grow up, but that won't be you.  Get some help for yourself if he refuses to go to counseling with you, and make him an offer he can't refuse or, hopefully, won't.

Some time ago someone figured out how much the 'master of house' would pay in wages if he had to reimburse for everything the 'drudge/wife' does for him in the home.  Nathan would not be a happy camper if you were to start charging him.

So, luv, take charge of YOUR life, look at all the angles and make your move.  Life goes by so fast.

 
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October 17, 2006, 6:41 pm PDT

You can stop being the victim

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I have a problem with gaining some control in my marriage. I have been married for 7 years we lived together for 7 years. so in the total of 14 years being with the same man I am finding not only do I not have a voice I don't have a  outside job either. We have our own construction business and when business is down then so am I because it is then I start hearing about how I should get a job and make some money. Our marriage is just going downhill fast. I can't seem to get him to understand that marriage counseling might help. He feels that I don't do anything because I don't bring in a paycheck.  I don't have anyplace to go , I have been looking for work but not getting anything. I have worked in the past but have not been working since we got married. I feel like I don't know what to do or where to go. We talk about divorce all the time and he says I can leave because he owns the house and I am not working anyway.

There are organizations that help women help themselves.  Get it on, girl.

Then stop by and say hello to bubbie when business is up and he is doing without what you don't do.

Please!  In a situation like this, you are only a victim for as long as you allow yourself to be one.
God bless you! 

 
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October 17, 2006, 6:48 pm PDT

10/17 What Would Robin Do?

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OH MY GOSH!.  I can't believe that woman is complaining about wedding cake being shoved in her face.  If what they showed in their wedding video is all that he did she needs to get over it.

 

My husband really SHOVED the cake in my face.  Yes I was embarressed. but I laughed about it and now 29 years later it is great story to tell when my kids look at our wedding pictures.

It's not about shoving the wedding cake, but that he promised he would not do it, then did it anyways.  That becomes a trust issue.  She trusted the word he gave.  Small potatos you may think?  Except that trust does not come in degrees.
 
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October 17, 2006, 6:58 pm PDT

10/17 What Would Robin Do?

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Yeah...attitude is everything. If she had just laughed it off and enjoyed her day and their funny silly moment as a married couple she could have been spared carrying around a little grudge for 18 years.

How sad...crap happens...smile and make the best of it I say.
 He had promised beforehand he would not do it.  He did it anyways.  Children do that.  He broke something sacred that very moment........trust.  She was/is not holding a grudge, she questions his word and had/has a right to do so.  The damage we can do by yielding to and act of immaturity is evident in this experience.  It will be with her for the rest of her life.  She has forgiven, but not forgotten, and has since then been prepared for similar behavior and she always will be.  It's shame on him, not shame on her.
 
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October 17, 2006, 7:00 pm PDT

10/17 What Would Robin Do?

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I can't believe that anyone would be upset about a little cake on your face.  You said he shoved it up your nose but from the video it was barely on the tip.  At our wedding I made my husband promise not to smash the cake in my face all the while I was planning on getting some on his face.  When the big momment came I smashed and he smushed.  He got it so far up my nose that I was blowing frosting out for the next hour, but did I get mad????  NO, I knew he loved to joke and play when I met him.  We have been married 12 years and yes I do bring it up now and then but to laugh about it not punish him.  To this day every wedding we go to we wait to see if the cake gets smashed, if it does we feel that the couple knows how to play and have fun together.  I think it says a lot about  the health of a relationship if you can have fun and not be so uptight.  Stop being such a control freak and learn to have some fun.

Sounds to me like he kept his promise, eh?
 
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October 17, 2006, 7:02 pm PDT

10/17 What Would Robin Do?

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If I told my husband something in a very serious manner, and he promised me he wouldn't do it, and then did it anyway, he wouldn't be my husband. If my husband put other people's desires and agenda above my own, he wouldn't be my husband. If my husband decided what is OK and what is not for me, he wouldn't be my husband. If my husband humiliated me and then laughed his butt off about it, he wouldn't be my husband.

In some cultures it's "tradition" to have people present when you have sex the first time. If he made a promise that you wouldn't have to endure that, and then he brought in the local football team to keep score how would that be? In some cultures that's no big deal. Whatdaya think? The whole point is that he deliberately lied to his wife, and hurt her feelings with no real remorse. He did it because he wanted to. He didn't care what she wanted. It took him 13 years to come to the realisation that it wasn't the cake that hurt her, but lying to her and not considering her feelings as paramount to "tradition."  Thankfully my feelings mean everything thing to my husband. Thankfully my husband's idea of fun is different. I'm just thankful for my husband period.

 Bravo!  I love it when a plan comes together.
 
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October 17, 2006, 7:07 pm PDT

10/17 What Would Robin Do?

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Yea well until there's a divorce and then the unemployed, unworking, not bringing in any finances demands more then half of the assets, usually which 100% was made by the husband working while the wife stayed home and went for Latte's all day with friends.

 

Men arent the bad ones for wanting budgets. Woman blow the money they never made and then if theres a divorce they go for the financial throat.......

 

Woman are the real money vultures...

 

Ive even seen it in my life with a brother of mine who had ALL the money and then some and the lazy butt woman who did nothing, ever, he finally said enough was enough kicked her out and still got money! Money she didnt deserve one bit!

 Sounds to me like you know how to pick your women. 

Trophy wives are expensive and so is regular sex.  Think about it.
 
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October 18, 2006, 3:44 pm PDT

10/18 In-Law Threats

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I am Keri, the daughter in law on the show today and it is very nice to hear that you know Patti is lying. I have been concerned about this airing for weeks, not knowing what people will say and think. Patti is the one with an agenda and I just need to know that it will never be a healthy relationship and just to stay away from her. Thanks again for your comments.

Keri

 I saw that show today and feel great compassion for you and your extended family.  It may behoove you to take a peek at yourself and what you have done toward peace, or not.  There is rarely one guilty party in such a setting.  What have you done to reach out to your mother-in-law in love to help her get over her opinion of you?   You've had nine years to change her mind about you. 
As for who is lying?  Judging by what transpired on that show today, it is all three of you. 


 
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October 18, 2006, 3:53 pm PDT

10/18 In-Law Threats

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My mother in law isn't mean and doesn't threaten me but she is always in our business how can I tell her in a nice way to stop doing things without us asking her to help.She takes it upon herself to try to fix our problems and my husband gets irritated by it but won't tell her anything he just ignores her but I get tired of the questions, suggestions, and sometimes her actions and just wish she would mind her own business.
 Do you and your husband love her?  Does she know and feel this love?  Can you lovingly tell her what you told us here today?  Please wait until we ask you for help, and if you must spend money, put it aside in a trust fund for the grand's.......or something like that?  Wish I had your problems.
 
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October 18, 2006, 4:04 pm PDT

10/18 In-Law Threats

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I hate to see all the young women automatically side with each other against the older woman.

 

I also hate to see the men blamed for not siding with their wives.  The MIL is the woman who gave birth to him, raised him, sacrificed for him and walked the floors with him when he was sick.  Of course he should treat her with respect.

 

Todays MIL's were obviously nasty but for all we know the younger women were too.  They sit through these shows with a smug expression on their faces as though they have no ownership in all this.  My MIL wasn't perfect -- she was sometimes critical and intrusive -- but I bit my lip and let these small things pass for the sake of family peace and so that my children would have the loving presense of their grandmother in their lives. 

 

I really don't think these young women would be called names for absolutely no reason.  There has to have been some nastiness on their part, also.

 I agree with you that there are no innocents in the stories today.  Keri married the man raised by Patty.  She should be grateful to her MIL for having done such a fine job.  She's also had nine years to change Patty's mind about her. 

Oh, yes, the younger women most certainly are participants in this affair. Smug expression is saying it nicely. 
 

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