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March 23, 2006, 3:47 pm PST

Will you get real?

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I see this repeated over and over again; "if she would admit the truth." 

  

What truth is she supposed to admit?  She has admitted hitting Daniel with the car on accident.  She has admitted lying about her actions that night (sneaking out, tree limb, etc).  She does not deny these things. 

  

Or is she supposed to admit what Daniels family and friends believe to be the truth - that is was intentional? 

  

She is damed if she does and damned if she does not. 

  

I also keep reading on here that she is not remorseful.  All she cares about is hersefl and her family. 

  

Again, she stated she would not be able to live with herself if she did not serve time in prison.  This tells me that she was feeling guilt and remorse at that time and watching her interview, it is obvious she still does - and will for the rest of her life. 

  

It seems to me the problem is that some are outraged because she does in fact care and worry for her own family.  Why would she not?   Some are outraged because she wants out.  Why would she not?  What is expected here?  Do you all expect her to say "Hey, screw my family and screw me.  I want to be here for the rest of my natural life?  Get real.  Is this legitimate?  No. 

  

It seems to me that no one on Daniels side of the fence will ever be happy with anything Brandi may say or do.  This anger has become the lifeline that keeps them in place.  It seems to me that there was much anger and hurt in this family to begin with.  Only now they have a focus of anger other than themselves. 

You're still defending Brandi's lies. Sorry that I'm so late on this, but I do have a bone to pick with you about this, Stormy. 

  

I see this repeated over and over again; "if she would admit the truth."  

 

She has admitted hitting Daniel with the car on accident.  She has admitted lying about her actions that night (sneaking out, tree limb, etc).  She does not deny these things.  

  

Oh, really? Give me a break. It was no accident. How is hitting someone at 60-65 MPH an accident? Are you serious? She hasn't fully admitted to her parents about what she did. She LIED about it and continues to deny it. 

  

Or is she supposed to admit what Daniels family and friends believe to be the truth - that is was intentional?  

 

Yes, it was intentional. No doubt about it. 

  

I also keep reading on here that she is not remorseful.  All she cares about is herself and her family.  

   

Again, she stated she would not be able to live with herself if she did not serve time in prison.  This tells me that she was feeling guilt and remorse at that time and watching her interview, it is obvious she still does - and will for the rest of her life.  

 

There wasn't any REAL remorse shown towards Daniel's family at all. She is only pretending. She isn't really sorry for what she did, only sorry that she got caught & is in jail. The only remorse she has showed was towards herself & her family, and it's very clear. You're right about the guilt she had was for herself. She had about 4 years to come up with a good story, & she still hasn't done that. She did state that she would not be able to live with herself if she did not serve time in prison. What does that tell you? Oh, should we let all murderers go free before their sentences? Think about it. She isn't special. Everyone has to serve time for what they did, regardless. Plus, what kind of innocent person would say in court  "He got what he deserved"? No one. She's still denying everything.  

  

It seems to me the problem is that some are outraged because she does in fact care and worry for her own family.  Why would she not?   Some are outraged because she wants out.  Why would she not?  What is expected here?  Do you all expect her to say "Hey, screw my family and screw me.  I want to be here for the rest of my natural life?  Get real.  Is this legitimate?  No.  

 

Yes, of course they are outraged, because she is lying! We can all see it in her eyes. She wants out because she doesn't want to be involved in prison. No, we're not expecting her to say those things, but she must pay for what she did. No one gets off scott free for something like murder. No one. 

  

It seems to me that no one on Daniels side of the fence will ever be happy with anything brandi may say or do.  This anger has become the lifeline that keeps them in place.  It seems to me that there was much anger and hurt in this family to begin with.  Only now they have a focus of anger other than themselves.  

 

I can't believe that you're still buying into her lies. They want justice, and that's for her to stay in prison for the rest of her life. They have every right to be angry! SHE TOOK HIS LIFE! I imagine you don't have any children. If you do have children, and if one of them gets killed by someone, wouldn't you be angry? 12 years really is a short time for taking someone's life. If she went to trial, she would've had a much longer sentence than that. We shouldn't hate her for what she did, & like I said before, she needs to confess for what she did, and admit it to her parents. Lying about it is only going to continue to make matters worse. She needs to pay for what she did. And ask god to forgive her for everything that she did. 

 
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March 25, 2006, 8:13 am PST

Um...Hello?

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This situation is a tragic accident.  Obviously Brandi killed Daniel with her car, but in any event, it was an accident, and he probably contributed to it.   Teenagers think they are invincible, and he likely felt he was making a point--not going to get killed.  The girl panicked (as most teenagers would do) and tried to cover it up, making the entire situation even worse.  They were involved in a toxic relationship, and like many intense teen relationships, it ended badly.   

  

I am sure that Daniel's family truly believes what they want to believe, but the mother obviously did not know him very well.  No one wants to believe their son has an abusive nature. 

  

There were no credible witnesses, and unfortunately, the truth lies only with Brandi and Daniel.   

Did you read the entire message board? This was NO accident. Nobody would be that stupid to be going out & jumping out in front of the car. And how can you say that Daniel's mother didn't know him very well? That's her son! And how do you know that he was abusive? Where's the evidence of abuse to indicate that? None. Where are the pictures of her bruises, the protection orders, the police reports, etc.? None. So she was NOT abused. Plus, if it were really an accident, & if she didn't really mean to hit him, then she would've immediately got out of the car to check up on him to make sure that he was OK, and then started yelling out for help & calling 911. But she didn't do that. So she did hit him on purpose and it was definitely NO accident. And what do you mean by no credible witnesses? Stephanie & Crystal were there, and they saw everything. Many people were attacking Stephanie on this board by a lot of brandi supporters, such as stormy3867. Luckily, cablekidz came through & helped her out on this mystery. Stephanie was telling the truth the whole time & she was a credible witness. Brandi didn't want to admit her crimes on the Dr. Phil show because she knows that if she confesses, her parents will hate her. Brandi's been making up these stories just to get people to feel sorry for her, & you guys are falling for it.
 
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March 26, 2006, 11:17 am PST

Hmmm...

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I would not call the sister and mother of the victim an unbiased witness.  With the graphic nature of his injuries, they would have been so distraught they'd say anything to convict the person at fault.  It must have been an accident; who in their right mind would run over someone and then try to cover it up?  Cablekidz is NOT an impartial poster, she is on Daniel's family's side, and while her posts are useful, they must be taken with a grain of salt.  I wish Dr. Phil had offered lie detector tests to everyone who claims they were witnesses. 

  

If Brandi was afraid of Daniel, she probably would NOT have filed a police report.  The batterer only gets more angry when that is done.  The lack of one does not prove or disprove anything.  We will never know for sure if he was or was not an abusive person.   

  

If Brandi only had the presence of mind to act RESPONSIBLY after the accident and call '911' immediately, she would be free, other than the lifelong sorrow of knowing she ended Daniel's life with her recklessness. 

Once again, you're still not getting the picture. You're still defending Brandi's actions. Why would the witnesses lie about certain things like that? He was in NO WAY abusive to her. There WERE independent witnesses that saw it. Plus, how can it be an accident when she ran over him & then tried to cover it up? That was NO accident. She ran over him, ran back home, stuck a tree branch in the windshield, lied to her parents about what really happened, and you still say that this was an accident? Come on. That's something a guilty person would do.  Plus you said that if Brandi was afraid of Daniel, that she wouldn't filed a police report? Wrong. People who were really abused would do that.  If he was so abusive that she claimed, then why in the heck would she go out to see him? I refuse to believe that this was an accident. Daniel's family & Stephanie would never lie about stuff like this. You're still falling for her lies about it being an accident & that she was abused, when the truth is slapped into your face. Even Dr. Phil knew that right in the interview with her, and he doesn't need lie detector tests for the witnesses. I'm still on Daniel's family side as well.
 
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March 27, 2006, 7:24 am PST

Info...

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I thought someone alluded to her being a stepsister, but Cablekidz said Brandi thought Daniel was fooling around with her.  How old is she, and is she a credible witness?  Cablekidz said she--not just Daniel and Brandi--know the truth.  I wish she had been on the program as well. 

  

  

Stephanie was Daniel's ex. She was only 20 at the time. She is very much credible in what she saw. There was no cheating involved, as Brandi already knew that she was there.
 
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March 27, 2006, 8:24 am PST

Hi. Found info.

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I went to the libertysun.com website, searched on "Mize" and the years 2000 and 2001 and was able to pull up the articles for free.  I thought there was a fee (that may have been for the Kansas City Star articles...)  But at any rate, they are easy to find if you do that. 

  

  

There's definitely no fee for pulling up the liberty sun articles. There is a fee for the Kansas City Star articles, though. A single article is $2.95, but you have to be a member & you have to have a credit card for it in order to access it. Here's the Website for the Kansas City articles: 

  

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/ 

  

Once you're there, scroll down to the extras category and select "Past Articles". Once you're there, where it says "For", then type in Daniel Mize, when it says "show", just click that and choose "Best Matches First", then where it says "from", and then select 2000. It will then say the words "Liberty teen-ager charged in killing; Police say she hit 18-year-old with car". Hope that helps. 

 
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March 27, 2006, 8:45 am PST

More easier way...

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There's definitely no fee for pulling up the liberty sun articles. There is a fee for the Kansas City Star articles, though. A single article is $2.95, but you have to be a member & you have to have a credit card for it in order to access it. Here's the Website for the Kansas City articles: 

  

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/ 

  

Once you're there, scroll down to the extras category and select "Past Articles". Once you're there, where it says "For", then type in Daniel Mize, when it says "show", just click that and choose "Best Matches First", then where it says "from", and then select 2000. It will then say the words "Liberty teen-ager charged in killing; Police say she hit 18-year-old with car". Hope that helps. 

Once you're there, scroll down to the extras category and select "Past Articles". Once you're there, where it says "For", then type in Daniel Mize, when it says "show", just click that and choose "Best Matches First", then where it says "from", keep it as "all documents". There's 3 articles about this. 

  

1. Liberty teen-ager charged in killing; Police say she hit 18-year-old with car. 

2. Girl faces trial as adult in ex-boyfriend's death. 

3. Liberty teen sentenced. 

 

Sorry about that. Plus, here's the pricing for pulling up these articles. 

  

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=help&f_help=pricing&p_product=KC&p_theme=realcities2&s_site=kansascity 

 
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March 27, 2006, 9:57 am PST

Let's see...

I think that the reason why Brandi took the phone off the hook in her house was because she didn't want her parents to know. That's why crystal couldn't call her parents that night. You see, I think that Stephanie was telling the truth that night on when she saw everything. She thought that Brandi was coming past the trailer park, but then she knew that she(Brandi) was actually running towards Daniel. Otherwise, she wouldn't be here trying to defend herself. I'm still on her side about this.
 
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March 27, 2006, 1:40 pm PST

As for Brandi's Parole...

There is a chance that Brandi can get out on parole in 2008, but unless she fully admits that she killed Daniel on purpose(what she did) & shows real remorse for it, there is no chance of her getting out before her other 8 1/2-9 years are up. Same goes for her family as well, because they need to hear this too. Stop claming that this was all an accident & accept the fact that your daughter committed murder. Did anyone see how the interview went with Dr. Phil? The fact that she either kept looking to the left or looking down while answering his questions knows that tells you something is wrong with this picture, & that she was clearly lying. Especially while she was blinking her eyes(her body language) while answering no to Dr. Phil's question: "Did you kill him on purpose?" We don't need a lie detector test to figure that out.
 
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March 29, 2006, 7:40 am PST

My final say...

Hi, everyone. I just want to let everyone know that I’m sorry for going on such a rash here, if I offended someone; I do apologize. Plus, know that I don’t hate anyone, and that I care about everyone. I’m been thinking about this all night last night; & it took me quite a while to write my paragraphs. And with that, this is my final say, & my final post in this topic. 

  

 

Brandi: Sweetie, I know it’s hard to admit to everyone (including your family) for what you done, but for everyone’s sake, please confess to what you did. Trying to cover everything up is only going to make it worse for everyone than it already has. I know that you fear your parents might hate you for lying to them all this time if they found out the truth, but know that you’ll always be their daughter, no matter what. In time, they will heal & forgive, & if you ever expect to be out on Parole, you’re going to have to admit everything you did, & show true remorse for it. Then, & ONLY then, can both families begin to heal for the pain. Also, confess to God for everything that you done wrong, & mean it with all your heart. Only then can God forgive you for everything you done. Best of wishes to you, & hopefully, you have learned your lesson from this. 

  

 

Brandi’s Family: I know that it’s hard for you to accept that your daughter could commit a crime like this, but she did do it, whether it was accidental or not (& I truly believe that it even was an accident). And that’s something you’re going to have to accept. For pete’s sake, please stop enabling her to lie, & accept that she has to accept the consequences for what she’s done. Plus, stop attacking Daniel’s family all the time, as you’re not helping matters any for continuing to do so. And if you haven’t, PLEASE, get help for your son ASAP. Because if you don’t, he could turn out to be the same way like his sister (your daughter). Losing one child in jail for a crime is already bad enough as it is, so please do this for him. Also, get counseling so that you can fully understand what’s going on, & that you can start to heal from this. Please don’t hate your daughter for what she’s done, as she’ll need your help in the long run. Best of wishes to you, & good luck. 

  

 

Daniel’s Family: Please, please, PLEASE, let go of your hate & anger that you have towards Brandi. I’m sorry for the loss of your son, as you have my sympathy for that, & I know you’re angry for what she did, but nothing you can say or do is going to bring Daniel back. Unleashing your anger towards her & her family will only make things worse. I’m telling you this for your sake; please forgive them. Because if you don’t forgive, then God will never forgive you. Remember what the bible says, “You must love your enemies”. You need to also get counseling to handle the pain, & to accept the fact that he’s gone. In time, you’ll begin to heal from the pain & anger & forgive Brandi & her family & to move on from this. Best of wishes to you & good luck with this. 

  

 

Stephanie: I’m sorry for the way that everyone’s been treating you here on this board, & I applaud you for coming to this board & being woman enough & having the guts to key us in on what’s going on. Even which some things may not be true & that you might not remember everything of what happened (& I can deeply understand because this was 6 years ago, & that Cablekidz helped you), I do sympathize with you, because you been trying to help us out here. I’m sorry for the loss of your ex, plus I salute you for being an anti-Brandi hater, as you said that on your other post(just do forgive Brandi, though). You handled it very well, & I don’t care what anybody says, you’re a awesome person in my book. Good luck to you, your family, & your marriage. 

  

 

To everyone here: I’m sorry if I had gone out on such anger at you, as I now understand that everyone is entitled to their opinions about this. Once again, please accept my apologies. You’re welcome to E-mail me anytime; my E-mail address is in my profile. 

  

 

There you have it. And that’s my final post in this topic. 

 
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March 29, 2006, 9:22 am PST

Mistake made.

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Hi, everyone. I just want to let everyone know that I’m sorry for going on such a rash here, if I offended someone; I do apologize. Plus, know that I don’t hate anyone, and that I care about everyone. I’m been thinking about this all night last night; & it took me quite a while to write my paragraphs. And with that, this is my final say, & my final post in this topic. 

  

 

Brandi: Sweetie, I know it’s hard to admit to everyone (including your family) for what you done, but for everyone’s sake, please confess to what you did. Trying to cover everything up is only going to make it worse for everyone than it already has. I know that you fear your parents might hate you for lying to them all this time if they found out the truth, but know that you’ll always be their daughter, no matter what. In time, they will heal & forgive, & if you ever expect to be out on Parole, you’re going to have to admit everything you did, & show true remorse for it. Then, & ONLY then, can both families begin to heal for the pain. Also, confess to God for everything that you done wrong, & mean it with all your heart. Only then can God forgive you for everything you done. Best of wishes to you, & hopefully, you have learned your lesson from this. 

  

 

Brandi’s Family: I know that it’s hard for you to accept that your daughter could commit a crime like this, but she did do it, whether it was accidental or not (& I truly believe that it even was an accident). And that’s something you’re going to have to accept. For pete’s sake, please stop enabling her to lie, & accept that she has to accept the consequences for what she’s done. Plus, stop attacking Daniel’s family all the time, as you’re not helping matters any for continuing to do so. And if you haven’t, PLEASE, get help for your son ASAP. Because if you don’t, he could turn out to be the same way like his sister (your daughter). Losing one child in jail for a crime is already bad enough as it is, so please do this for him. Also, get counseling so that you can fully understand what’s going on, & that you can start to heal from this. Please don’t hate your daughter for what she’s done, as she’ll need your help in the long run. Best of wishes to you, & good luck. 

  

 

Daniel’s Family: Please, please, PLEASE, let go of your hate & anger that you have towards Brandi. I’m sorry for the loss of your son, as you have my sympathy for that, & I know you’re angry for what she did, but nothing you can say or do is going to bring Daniel back. Unleashing your anger towards her & her family will only make things worse. I’m telling you this for your sake; please forgive them. Because if you don’t forgive, then God will never forgive you. Remember what the bible says, “You must love your enemies”. You need to also get counseling to handle the pain, & to accept the fact that he’s gone. In time, you’ll begin to heal from the pain & anger & forgive Brandi & her family & to move on from this. Best of wishes to you & good luck with this. 

  

 

Stephanie: I’m sorry for the way that everyone’s been treating you here on this board, & I applaud you for coming to this board & being woman enough & having the guts to key us in on what’s going on. Even which some things may not be true & that you might not remember everything of what happened (& I can deeply understand because this was 6 years ago, & that Cablekidz helped you), I do sympathize with you, because you been trying to help us out here. I’m sorry for the loss of your ex, plus I salute you for being an anti-Brandi hater, as you said that on your other post(just do forgive Brandi, though). You handled it very well, & I don’t care what anybody says, you’re a awesome person in my book. Good luck to you, your family, & your marriage. 

  

 

To everyone here: I’m sorry if I had gone out on such anger at you, as I now understand that everyone is entitled to their opinions about this. Once again, please accept my apologies. You’re welcome to E-mail me anytime; my E-mail address is in my profile. 

  

 

There you have it. And that’s my final post in this topic. 

What I meant to say in the Brandi's family paragraph was "& I truly don't believe that it even was an accident. Sorry about that. 

 

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