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March 7, 2006, 8:13 pm PST

I can relate

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I've been wondering for some time now if my husband is bipolar.  Our marriage counselor says it sounds like his mother definitely is.  He does many of the crazy, hurtful, and senseless things she does.  I don't know where to draw the line between him being "senisitve",  and not as strong emotionally as I am, and having a lot of "baggage", etc....between that and him truly having a mental problem.  He doesn't physically abuse me or my children (although, one drunken night he threatened to), but he does emotionally.  He will "disown" me for days at a time, over little things that should be able to be worked out in decent conversation.  It is always and emotional roller coaster with him.  When he snaps out of it and is finally willing to "talk", it's like I have to always point out to him that his behavior is hurtful and unhealthy.  He agrees at the time, but will do it again when his emotions are out of control.  I wouldn't put up with this same type of "tantrum" behavior from my  6 & 7 year olds!!!  But, apparently I have to "accept him" as someone who demonstrates that kind of behavior.  His responses always seem to be geared towards how things are my fault.  Just when I think he is growing up, and getting better, he slips back into his old dysfunctional ways!  It's maddening! 

  

I'm so torn between being "comitted" to my marriage and being committed to the well-being of myself and my children.  I'm afraid he's really sick, won't get help, and will only hurt me and my children!  I just don't know what to do! 

  

-A scared military spouse in Ohio 

I unknowlingly married a bipolar man.....I came from a strong family and knew he was different, but I chalked it up to his being an entrepeneur because he owned his own apts in downtown Chicago.....we were married five years before he had his first psychotic break from reality....he thought he was a porn star and he was paranoid the govt. was after him......I freaked and called his parents as I had two small children at the time and needed their help sorting this out....we got him a psychiatrist appt and they indicated he was Bipolar....he started meds and promptly went off of them......within the next year he bought a $2.8 million golf course and other big ticket items, he gambled and stayed out late and would not work at the golf course because he was better than that........he had me jumping through hoops to help him while he sat around all day, slept late....I said enough is enough and he had another break from reality completely spinning his actions as if I was the one creating all of the problems...I learned from the psych. that this is a trait of Bipolar.....in any event the Dr. also told me that my husband at the time, would eventually deplete our finances, ruin the golf course, not be able to keep a job, not be able to handle parental responsibilities and more.......When he had a third episode and told me he had an illegitimate child that is 16 years old now......and I verified this, I knew I had to save my children.....my husband and his family, even though they watched the breaks from reality, decided along with my husband to go into denial........I tried everything I could, but I chose my children.....my husband and I divorced and everything the Dr. told me has come true.......my ex will not take medicine and he can't hold a job and lives with his Mom and Dad just like in todays show.......his parents let him live there and accept his erratic behavior.......for myself and the girls it was the best thing to do....the girls are fine and they don't see his erratic behavior and inability to perform every day tasks etc.  I don't think he will ever be well without his parents taking control like the man in the story today....I could see the look on his Father's face and understand because I dealt with it for a while and it's exhausting......this must sound cruel, but raising children is hard enough and I needed to stay sane and rested to work and support my family since my ex won't and or probably can't pay child support and try to shelter my children from the pain he inflicts, DUI, can't help drive kids until 2007, can't pay money to help support kids, lies, cheats and is plain a bad influence.......he needs to be on meds to survive and I was told by support groups that men have a hard time admitting they are Bipolar and sometimes it takes years before they will get help....and my ex's family is not strong enough to help him....it is very sad and I feel for him, but he has to accept responsibility and get help........I don't know if this will help you or scare you.....but follow your instincts and email me if you need too!!!  I would love my ex to be on Dr. Phil to help move him into a healthy existence.
 
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March 7, 2006, 8:16 pm PST

i can relate

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My husband is bipolar.  His sister was also bipolar and ended up committing suicide.  I have a terrible fear my husband will do the same thing.  My heart aches for him as I know the turmoil he goes through.  It is like living with two people.  There are times when he is wonderful, loving and sensitive.  Then when he is having a manic episode he is very hurtful...not physically, but emotionally.  He says things he knows will hurt me.  He lives in a fantasy world most of the time.  He has left me twice, both times having an affair (we are currently separated), but even during the separation we are in contact and he is telling me how sorry he is and he knows we belong together.  Many tell me I should not take him back, but when you love someone as much as I love him and have been together for 25 years, you just don't throw it away.  He is on meds and faithful in taking them, but they only do so much.  He also suffers from post tramatic stress syndrome from a horrendous childhood.  I wish I could find better help for him.  I do  not want to lose him either through suicide or another relationship.  I sometimes wonder who an illness like this is harder on....the patient or the loved ones.  I pray for God's help!
I can totally relate and my relationship ended in divorce because he and his family are in denial and they won't force him to get help.....I am fearful for him and also for my children when they are with him during his parenting time......I am even in court to try to force him to take meds and get him on the road to better mental health.....Sorry for your pain......
 
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March 7, 2006, 9:15 pm PST

Accepting your diagnosis

Quote From: c_y_wallac

Your message compelled me to leave you a message. 

I know Western well.  Perhaps we have crossed paths at Vic. 

I am 42, female BP, in the Forest city.  

Your profile sounds like you are doing ok.  Every day is a struggle for me.  I progress ahead and then unexpectantly get knocked on my backside.  I too, want to have a better, more quality life.  It is so easy for others to say just set a goal, work towards it, and it will be completed.  

I must take life one day at a time.  After a year I can reflect and see progress.  And I think family needs to understand the difference between being supportive and being controlling.  

Best of luck to you. 

  

How did you come to realize you were Bipolar ?  Did you come by it yourself or did your family help you....it seems like famliy support is critical in most cases?  Thanks and Good Luck
 
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March 8, 2006, 5:40 am PST

Denial

Quote From: forjeans

My sister is bipolar. She mostly chooses not to "accept the diagnosis" though it is certainly accurate. Why would Dr. Phil show two people who agree with the diagnosis as his example to help family, when those with the disease overwhelmingly think they do not have a problem (either manic, normal,or depressed)?
My exhusband has been diagnosed with Bipolar and he too along with his Mom and Dad are in denial....I too wish Dr. Phil would do a show on denial, but this family has been in denial for 5 years now and I doubt anyone could convince them he's Bipolar in just a one hour show........but it would be nice to have someone get through to them!!!!!  Good Luck to you
 
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March 8, 2006, 5:52 am PST

I agree with you

Quote From: sunny23

hey there -  

I just want to say that I am really sorry for what you have been through with your father.  My husband was recently diagnosed with Bipolar II disorder.  As with most bipolar cases, he has gone 10+ years of periodic relief with anti-depressants, only to sink lower the next bout of depression.  There is nothing worse in this life than having to watch someone you love suffer these symptoms and know you can't say a thing to make them feel better.  I know I am very lucky because he is a GREAT man and wants so badly to feel "like himself" again.  With his illness, he is only hateful and mean to himself, so I can't relate to what you have gone through.  I have been doing a lot of research on bipolar though and it seems that, as with anything in life, there are those who choose to play the victim and use their illness to manipulate others and excuse bad behavior.    I don't know your father and I am not an expert on bipolar, but it sounds like he has certainly done that to some extent.   

One very important thing about being a family member of someone with bipolar is that we have to take care of ourselves too.  I want to encourage you (if you have not done so already) to seek some professional help and support.    I know there are organizations that offer help for family members.  Maybe check out www.nami.org or www.dbsalliance.org to see what they offer in your area.  www.healthyplace.com also has some great info for family - in the bipolar community, click support.  Bipolar is a horrible and debilitating illness, but that doesn't mean that you have to put up with abuse from your father.  You have the right to set boundries and to have realistic expectations in any relationship!  And if other members of your family choose to stay and put up with his manipulation, then that's their choice.  I wish you the very best!   

I have two children ages 10 and 9 and I removed them from my bipolar exhusband when they were 6 and 5 for all of the reasons you listed above.  I am deeply sorry he is bipolar and he is n denial and won't get help, but my children are not going to be exposed to any of what you mentioned above and I know it exists because I saw it all.....he continues to get worse, but the kids don't know it......they love their Dad and tell him that and still he won't get help....he just cycles through lifwe getting himself in and out of trouble....I feel sorry for his Mom and Dad, who are also in denial, but they have him living in their home and it must be getting hard for them....too bad when they can get him help......
 
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March 8, 2006, 6:01 am PST

Brain Scanning

Has anyone experienced the brain scanning mentioned in the show?  Please email me with info on this as we are desperate to convince my bipolar ex he has this illness (he has been professionally diagnosed) before he hurts himself...Thanks for your help/  debclark412@cox.net
 
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March 8, 2006, 7:27 am PST

Ditto

Quote From: lbhat67

I was a little disappointed in yesterdays show.  I really thought Bi Polar would have been examined a little bit more in depth.  I too suffer from this horrible disorder.  I too, am not medicated.  I stopped taking my meds just about 2 years ago, not because I thought I was cured, but because I wanted to find a more natural way to focus on recovery.  (it's not working and I 'probably' need the meds back).

I know about the rage.  I feel the rage on a daily basis.  Do I act on it?  Not always.  When I am in a rage, breaking something helps bring me back to reality.  

Thoughts of not wanting to exist haunt me on my extreme low days.  
My high days, I am on top of the world.  Spending money was one of the ways I used to make myself feel the highs.  I just want to keep feeling that 'high feeling' all the time and you find yourself doing the strangest things to get that feeling.  Driving fast, going out, drinking, doing drugs, sex, the list goes on and on.
I quit work with no reason or explainations.  I am now on my 8th job in the last 5 years.  I just walk out.  I stop showing up. 
I would have periods of mania which would keep me up for days, cleaning and organizing.  And the depression would send be to bed for days, crying so hard that it's hard to breathe.
I have felt an increase in sexual feelings that have lead to extramarital affairs and exteme promiscuity .  With no thought or conscience about it. 
Feelings of over confidence, feeling fearless, reckless enthusiasm, with no thoughts of repercussions.
We have been in bankruptcy twice, I can't say it is all due to my spending sprees, but I am sure it had alot to do with it. 
I have been married for 20 years.  I have children.  I know how hard it is for them.  They have no idea how hard it is for me.
I really believe I have been in some type of remission for the last two years with little or no episodes, but this past January something happened and BOOM, it's back like it never left. 
The feeling of hopelessness overwhelms me. 

  • I just wanted to point out that I feel  the show did not show the "highs and lows" with bi polar or the many other symtoms affiliated with the disorder other than rage.   
Thanks so much for reading. 
lbhat
My exhusband suffers from bipolar and he exhibits all of the same things as you do.  He is in denial which makes it worse for us and terrible for me....we ended up in divorce before the financial ruin could occur as I knew that would be another step he'd take...I am sorry for you, but glad you recognize the need for meds.  I am sorry for me to have lost the man I loved and our hopes and dreams...I am sorry for my ex because he doesn't realize all that he's lost and I fear he will take his life which will devaste my 10 and 9 year old.....Good Luck to you and your family
 
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March 8, 2006, 7:34 am PST

Devasted

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You have got to be kidding me! It is VERY clear that you are one of those people who don't really understand bipolar disorder and its manifestations and consequences. Imagine not being able to trust your own thoughts because you're not sure if you really feel that way or if its the bipolar disorder talking...imagine having so many amazing ideas and goals and not being able to put them into motion because you can't maintain focus on that one thought long enough to make it happen...then imagine feeling so helpless and hopeles that you don't even want to wake up anymore...it's too hard to face another day feeling like this...you don't want to feel this way anymore... 

Trust me sweetheart, family and friends do not suffer more than the person with bipolar disorder...and if people like you could understand it, we wouldn't suffer as much. 

Bipolar has devasted my family and the kicker is my exhusband who is bipolar is in denial and can't even recognize the devastation he created by not taking medicine.....so in this case it's worse for the family who recognizes his professional diagnosis.....he still goes out spends my child support money, cheats, lies, steals, enjoys his highs, and is free to do whatever he wants while I hold down the family and try to figure out how to explain it all to a 10 and 9 year old......so while it's hard for those who recognize their illness, it's much harder for those who choose to ignore it and or go on and off their meds!!!!!!!
 
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March 9, 2006, 9:19 am PST

Thanks for your response

Quote From: c_y_wallac

I thought it was interesting that you asked about family support.  I should have asked if you are Bipolar.  Or are you dealing with another's illness?  I have more in common with Bipolars my age, so they are all I really know.  Some enjoy their family's support.  Others are like me, pretty independent and self-supporting. 

Take Care, c_y_wallac   

My ex husband is bipolar and despite severe psychotic delusions where everyone tells him he has breaks from reality he thinks he's fine....His parents eventually chalked it up to personality traits and accept his lack of dealing with anything in his life...he has been clinically diagnosed several times, but he cannot face reality and his parents, whom he lives with, will not force him to get help so he remains untreated and is missing  out on his children's lives .....I was hoping in most bipolar cases, the loss of family and everything else would make the bipolar person get help or perhaps his parents could force him....I feel badly that it can't be easier to get bipolars help, because from reading the messages posted it seems like a livable life can be obtained with proper medicine? That's why I asked you if you had family support or did you come to recognize it on your own....Thanks again for your responce
 
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March 9, 2006, 9:41 am PST

Diagnosis bipolar

Quote From: superm0m

I'm not sure if I am or not, although I'm not the person you're asking. In some people, a breakdown at one traumatic point in time worsens symptoms or brings them on, sometimes later in life.

Since mental illness absolutely runs in my family, from my mom and my dad, to two siblings, aunts, my grandma, etc, I am trying to educate myself as much as possible about manic depression. I am keeping a journal of my own ups and downs, of what foods I'm eating, and what time I get to bed. I hope to look back at it and get perspective on whether I follow what I learned, or whether I have the illness, just not as pronounced. In every family member it manifests itself in such different ways.

A couple of books that were helpful to me were the Unquiet Mind, and the book Patty Duke wrote about realizing she was bipolar. But the most helpful to me is called "The Bipolar Disorder: Rebuilding Your Life."

Anyway, I think the main way you can find out if you're bipolar is to keep a log of your moods, and real lows or highs, and for how long you have them. Also anything you do that seems pretty irrational, like spending binges or erratic things. Take any of these things into professionals, and they can possibly help you know if you have it.

Oh, and family support is absolutely critical to not feeling people are attacking you and against you when you are at your most vulnerable to this illness that affects your mind. It is such a frustrating illness.
My exhusband has been clinically diagnoses as bipolar...while we were married I tried to get him help and he went on and off of medicine....it was extremely difficult for me because you can't force a 42 year old man to stay on med's and that was the only way I was going to stay married as i had two small children at the time.  We divorced and he moved in with his parents and they are in denial as well is my ex although they cannot figure out why he sleeps all day, won't engage in life, gambles, stays out late at night where he will engage in seedy activities and has grand and dangerous delusions?  I was hoping that his parents would try to control the situation and him, but I believe they are unable to control him as well and thus chalk his behavior up to poor personality traits......Any suggestion to get him help or does he have to bottam out several more times before then......Help please!!!!
 

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