Messages By: ceildh1

After volunteering at the local shelter, I became passionate about this, there is notheing more HEARTBREAKING to me than to know because of lack of responsibility on the part of the owners, that MILLIONS of dogs and cats will be euthanized or outright killed this year.

You are resposible for those you have domesticated !!!!!!!

From what I have seen, they are about 92% accurate, personally for me NOT GOOD ENOUGH, but if they were 100% we wouldn't need courts then.

The fact of the matter is, they can be fooled that's why they are NOT admissible in court as HARD EVIDENCE.

I always think to myself, I tend to be a nervous person when cornered, innocent or not, but ANYONE of us could find ourselves in that 8% for something HORRENDOUS that the polygraph gets wrong either way imagine being among that 8% and going to prison for MURDER, and you are innocent, but the Polygraph said you did it, so therefore you did, so no 8% is not good enough.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could come up with some type of truth serum ( wouldn't that be fun at family gatherings, hehe ) .

Okay, I admit I am pathetic with no life, but I did some math after the show, and some of the comments that cat lady made seem unbelivable to me.  Now with the exchange rate ( this figuring is done in Canadian funds ) it might be cheaper in the States, but not much I don't think.

I broke down everything I spent this year on just my FOUR cats( there are two dogs as well, so the vet bills are NOT pretty ) Food $1 848 Vet visit ( including the altering of three) $1 000, Meds ( the little ones had to be de wormed, and that meant ALL the animals ) $350, Kitty Litter $432 and for toys and treats $200 ( the love affection you get from them PRICELESS)  so on only FOUR cats in one year I have spent$3 830, multiply that by five that is $ 19 150 for four cats over five years, so in one year for 200 cats a person could spend as much as many families make, I WANT the name and number of her VET, let's just say the $ 40 000 she claims to have spent over five years seemed strange to me, and too cheap.

A four foot fence, are you kidding me, as any cat owner can tell you, the cats are laughing at that, a proper shelter or cattery has ENCLOSURES and the cats DO NOT roam around freely, why because with cats, a fence means very little unless its very tall, and wood posts, well they can sharpen their claws anyway ( one has to wonder if she knew cats can climb trees ).

As for the poisonings, well if it was done on purpose, SHAME ON YOU, but her neighbors can leave what they want on THEIR property, like I said, that fence means NOTHING, and the cats accidently got into it, as for trapping them, if it is a hunmane trap and you are taking them to aPROPER shelter, well Good for you.  This woman is a HOARDER, classic signs, justifacation, excuses cutting herself off from the real world, what she wants to do is admirable, to an extent, but if it affects your neighbors in such a negative way, well its a problem.  This woman is suffering, she seems unable to connect with humans, so she resorts to another species, hey there are times I like my pets better than people, but really !

Just what was shown of the yard and the house, thee is MUCH more going on there than just the cats, the Humane Society has to get involved, STOP pussy footing around ( oops, no pun intended there ).

The second guest, again the justifacations, the excuses her husband took a hard line for sure, but she has to realize as well that that clutter drives him around the bend, it would me for sure.  But she was sweet for sure and funny, and I wish her luck on her road to recovery.

From what I understand an acre isn't that big, and a territory of twenty per acre ( and cats are VERY territorial ) is adding stress levels that don't need to be thee for the animals, handling kittens is one thing ( and I know what you are going through there ) but the adults unfortunatly if not properly handled and socialized ARE NOT good adoption cadidates, some shelters do not have the foster homes or the money to even try, the animal is written off.

You are so right, one person CANNOT save them all, if a person REALLY wants to help, Donate to your local Humane Society, or volunteer either as a foster family, or in the shelters themselves.

Great post, you have VERY valid points.

I have to agree, to a point.

I think if you can PROVE, prove being the key word here, there is abuse going on, then it HAS to be reported.

We'll find out Friday I guess, is he an abuser, or is she just vindictive but I really don't put a lot of faith in the Polygraph myself, why has the Good Doctor gotten on this kick anyway ?

I promise.

I have been reading the posts here, and I wonder how many of you ACTUALLY know how much work goes into running a Kennel, or shelter, to say, " Well she has ten acres, plenty of room" is just naive, okay get insulted, but hey there are reasons licensed shelters are licensed and she is NOT.

There are limits to what a Kennel or shelter are allowed to accomodate dogs or cats, would you people feel the same way if she had say two hundred DOGS on her property ? probably not, why because cats don't bark, BUT they are just as capable of biting, and worse scratching an unwitting person that gets too close ( any who have dealt with ferals know what that's all about ).

A cat bite by the way is more dangerous and prone to infection than a dog bite by the way, why ? Because of the teeth, a dog's teeth are made to tear, and therefore will bleed out , cat teeth are meant to deal the "Death Grip" which is why a cat can kill a mouse without leaving marks, the wound dosen't bleed out and so the whatever can stay under the skin.

Neutering may or may NOT eliminate spraying, its a territorial marker that Toms use to say STAY OUT, that is probably what the neighbors are smelling from her property, she has probably become desensitized to the smell.

Anti freeze, I concur it is CRUEL, and yes I agree not too many people leave that out lying around, but on HIS OWN property, well I'm sorry but if she wants that many cats thaen it is HER responsibility to keep them on her OWN property, come to think of it, isn't it kind of hypocritical to say these animals were abandoned when she lets them roam free herself .

Prevention is easy, KEEP YOUR CATS INDOORS, I can't go and tell my neighbors that they cannot have poisons on their property, I am responsible for my pets, hence my cats stay inside, and my dogs are kept in the yard and on a leash at all times, would save alot of heartache and nastiness on both sides don't you think ?

By the way, LOVED that cat house, sorry I forgot the poster's name, what a WONDERFUL idea, and I bet your neighbors appreciate it to.  I think sometimes we forget, not everyone LIKES animals, and you know I HATED cleaning up after neighbors dogs and cats because of them running lose, oh yeah,

And before you pick up a "stray" make an EFFORT to find out if someone is actually missing them, after all a cat CAN escape home if the door is accidently left open, as can a dog don't just assume the worst.

That truth serum thing though might bring the Doctor more gusests than he could handle.

So the Polygraph said he was innocent, and now MANY ( not all) of the gusests are ready to jump all over the grandmother, okay, what she did was WRONG, the information was given to her SECOND HAND, by a realitive who was abused herself and so may be hyper sensitive to EVERYTHING that she could construe as abusive.

I thought the father was smug, but that being said, I don't think he's an abuser, I think he's a man that is FED UP with his MIL, she obviouslty can't stand him, but what I wonder is why ? It could be as simple as he took her baby away, but I wonder, was her own husband abusive and controlling, and is she HERSELF hypersensitive to the things he says and does ?

Just playing armchair psychologist, but unlike what people get on the shows, I like the WHOLE story before I like to cast stones, after all like everyone else I too live in a glass house.

The world has made it that way for FATHERS.

My sixteen year old daughter LOVES going with her Dad when he's towing cars on the weekends, and she LOVES going to lunch just she and him, nothing wrong with that in my eyes, and THAT should be all that counts RIGHT ? Wrong apparently.

Another mother had actually said to me " Don't you think your daughter and  her father spend a bit too much time alone together?"

Imagine that, I was SHOCKED to say the least about that, I would NEVER think of anything inappropriate going on with my husband and daughter, DISGUSTING!!!!  But if I'm spending alone time with my fourteen year old SON nothing would EVER be said.

Seems to me fathers are allowed to be the walking wallets and admire their daughters from afar, heaven forbid they touch them in ANY way ( and I'm afraid that means diapers) that someone could accuse them of anything, you know I have a friend going through the same thing, I did to an extent when my daughter was a baby, the cleaning dosen't get done as well because MEN ARE SCARED, I'd like to see men on this board responding, and I'm sure you'd see the prblem.

Oh my, don't give up, are there any outpatient treatments or support groups you can go to, obviously if you can maintain the symptom and behavior free program, you are willing to fight there is something left, maybe even a TINY spark left in you ?

You are HEALTHY, that's a start, but physical health, will only take you so far, you have to learn to first LIKE yourself, and then maybe LOVE yourself, please don't go this alone. Find something else to comfort you, do you have Hobbies maybe that you have neglected, take them up again, but don't give up on yourself.

Not knowing you or where you are from I can't offer help directly, but PLEASE check with Public Health or your local Doctor or hospital, they should be able to help you find a support group or outpatient treatment.

Why the hell don't the inpatient centres make sure these people have outside support when they leave ?

I have always been curious about why a person would start doing drugs in the first place, I mean we all know the consequences of drug addiction.  I am not getting into a dabate about whether or not its a disease or anything like that, at least that is not my intention, but the initial hit of any drug is usually by CHOICE I think a needle being FORCED onto someone is quite rare, and how would you FORCE someone to smoke it ?

So what I wonder is under what theory do people think its okay to choose that first hit of Heroin or Meth or the other variety of drugs out there ?  Addiction to painkillers, well for the most part I think that's really sad, most of those people were looking for relief from pain and those drugs were perscribed by a physician.

Why is it the parent's fault ? Did she TELL them it would be a good idea to do drugs, I doubt that very much, did she supply them with drugs, doubt that too.  Sorry, but they CHOSE the behavior and at twenty five now their mother has NO control.

Okay, mom and dad divorced, was  it really messy ? Probably, but they must've known there were other ways to cope.  After the divorce was Mom forced to work instead of staying home with them ? If she didn't go to work, she'd be defiled as a Welfare Mom let's face facts as parents we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Has Mom already helped them into rehab and treatment more than once or twice, and now is looking after her own sanity and taking (GASP) the hard line with the girls, how easy would that be (NOT).  I don't belive most parents give up THAT easily, but until they hit ROCK BOTTOM, there is NOTHING she or anyone else can do to help them, and as adults they have the RIGHT to kill themselves if they so choose.

Well I guess we'll know more on Monday.  But I will add to those who have kicked it, and are taking one day at a time, I salute you, it isn't easy, and it probably never will be but every day clean and sober is a victory.