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November 10, 2007, 6:10 pm PST

where are the parents?

when this girl was brought back why didn't her parents pay attention to her and what she was doing? why does it matter where the guy is from regardless it is wrong? i am from palestine originally but born in the us and i am from a very safe community. there are dangerous areas and safe ones just like any country in the world. it seems like it is so bad because he is palestinian and muslim. the parents need to focus on their daughter and opening the lines of communication. by the preview it seems like he is palestinian and muslim so he must be brainwashing her wish islam. but i am muslim and we do fall in love just like others. internet relationships are made everyday. obviously she saw something in him to go and see him. and if it doesn't work out she can just call the embassy and they'll pick her up and ship her back. what is he going to do to her? he  can't even get into this country without a visa and they don't give those out to young men anyway. so as a palestinian-american i wish they would focus on why she felt she had to be so secretive maybe its because her parents would have not accepted her relationship with a muslim man from palestine.
 
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November 12, 2007, 11:07 am PST

i totally agree......

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 I married my Iranian husband when I was 39. Even at that mature age I had no idea how difficult it would be to fully understand his culture, and he mine. I said so many things innocently in the beginning that really offended him. Things that an American wouldn't think twice about.

I love my husband and we have both worked hard to understand each other. He's had to give in more at times because he lives here in this country and knows he has to accept what's normal here. I respect his views of things and I don't make excuses for how things are viewed here. I admire and respect the Middle Eastern culture and they have many ways that seem more hospitable and accepting than ours. You can't fully understand it all by chatting on the phone and online.

This young girl has no ideas of the sacrifices she will have to make to fit in. It's very unlikely that his parents will fully accept her, and she will always feel like she's not good enough. She's not old enough to know what she's getting into and what will be required of her. Love in this case may not be enough.

Once she marries her exotic prince charming, he most likely will not treat her the same as he has in courtship. He may think he will not marry her, but keep her on the side while he fulfills his Muslim duty of marrying a traditional Islamic virgin.

I wish her the best but she's got a one in a million chance of happiness.


with you. our culture is very different from others. being with some muslim men requires alot more sacrifice from a girl from another culture. it seems like men are harder on their wives when they are not muslim b/c they feel the need to please their parents and prove to them that this american girl can be a good wife. many of my uncles are married outside of my culture and it  had its strains but my grandparents never interfered because my grandfather always said a newley married couple has it hard enough getting used to eachothers' values and morals and baggering them doesn't make it better. i am muslim but i was born and raised here. i met my husband in jordan and we got along very well but it took me 6 months to even consider marrying a man from overseas because of all the things i had heard about men being so controlling. when we got married and came back we had our kinks that we had to go through but he understands me and understands our culture here. and i  understand him. but in my eyes if this man is obsessed with pleasing his parents he will remarry a muslim girl.........all in all if a man takes "the love of his life" from her parents then he doesn't really love her regardless of his culture or religion. because all muslims know that you must respect god first and then your parents throughout your life. and she should not even be there with him without consent from her parents and it is a sin for her to live in his home and for him to touch her before marriage. so obvisously this gentlemen is not a true man or muslim.
 
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November 14, 2007, 8:06 pm PST

here is my advice from a muslim stand point

Quote From: alwayscrazy

A friend of mine brought this topic to my attention.  I, myself, have been going through a similar situation with my 17 year old.  I have contacted religious leaders, the police, even reached out in desperation to online support groups.  Nobody cares! 

 

She has been "conversing" with a Moroccan man, who is 21, via IM for several months now.  My husband knew about it, but didn't disclose it to me because he felt it HER responsibility to inform me.  When I found out, the damage had already been done.  She had "fallen" for him.  I have been feeding her information gradually over time in hopes of not shutting down the line of communication - but now have reached an end.  My patience reached an end when she went to two college interviews wearing a hijab - head covering.  The real tough thing here is that her friends know about her "reversion" and they support her - what do a bunch of 17 year olds know about what she is doing to herself?  The other disturbing issue is that two of her friend's parents also know about her transformation and support it as well.  Perhaps she has painted a different picture, I don't know.  I couldn't call myself a friend if I knew that a child was doing something, veering off course, and didn't say anything to the parents.  I couldn't live with myself.  What is wrong with people these days?  This only complicates matters because she is reaching out to these other parents who support her, which makes our views even more unnacceptable.

 

She will be 18 in a month and we unfortunately cannot keep her or prevent her from doing anything on her own.  My own sister became involved with a man from another culture and lived a nightmare - her life will never be the same.  She has had a series of nervous breakdowns when I was younger - my parents kept all this from me but I put the pieces together at a later age; I really still don't know the whole story. She cannot function without her medication.  She isn't the same person she was, and it breaks my heart.  I have told my daughter about this, and it hit a nerve.  But teens think they are invincible and nothing bad will ever happen to them.

 

Likewise, the police told me that the age of consent is 16, so unless there is proof of anything sexual going on, there is nothing we can do. 

 

The real clincher here is that she "reverted" to the Muslim faith - that is what they term it because they believe that everyone was born a Muslim and veers off course.  I have done much research - including research about Morocco and the way women are treated there - it does nothing.  She is applying to colleges, and could have a very bright future ahead of her - but I don't foresee that anymore.

 

We have cut off her access to the internet, but not totally because she needs it to communicate with the colleges she is applying to.  She still communicates with him, but not nearly as much as she did in the past.  I also found her searching sites for Muslim wedding attire.  Fantasizing?  I don't know.  It all points to one thing.

 

We have also brought up the cultural differences and the difficulty with suddenly changing your culture.  It doesn't work, and if it does, it takes a long time and a lot of hard work. 

 

At this point, I am truly concerned because the reversion to Muslim would be more acceptable to me without the constant marriage bedazzling from this man, whom she has never met, but believes she is in love with.  To an adult, that seems totally preposterous, but to a teen who is desperate to fill the void in her life, it isn't.

 

I don't know how this will all turn out, but I do believe that she was coerced and/or brainwashed by this man.  We should have stopped her when we had the opportunity - but that is water under the bridge now.  We have to deal with the present and are living day-to-day.  There isn't a day that goes by that I don't do research to possibly find something that I have missed.  She also has given him our address, which I told her NEVER to do.  Because of what my sister experienced, I am afraid that he will suddenly show up at my front door or that some of his relatives who live here will track her down and things will get ugly. 

 

At this point, she has the full deck of cards, including both jokers, and could trump us at any time.  I am now in contact with a mental health institution to find out if there is a deprogramming person she could speak to.  I don't know where else to go........

 

in islam a man is not supposed to have a relationship without the consent of her parents. so if he really loves her he should have open contact with you. another point i want to make is that if she converted to islam for her beliefs and truly wants to be a muslim then you should respect that. however if she did that to please him then she is not a true muslim. you can't be a muslim to please others; it doesn't work that way. you need to open the lines of communication with him and his parents. you need to know that they know about this. because muslims have alot of respect for their parents opinion. if he hasn't told them then he probably knows they wouldn't consent to it. my advice to you is to keep the lines of communication open with your daughter and this man. if you shut her out or try to tell her what to do you will push her closer to him. you may be suprised he may be the her sole mate but at least in the end if she stays with him or not you were there supporting her and listening to her.
 
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November 14, 2007, 8:28 pm PST

this man is not a muslim he is an animal

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This is similar to my story, except that my daughter met her Pakistani husband in college and is now 26 and married to him. I always thought that estranged families were insane and didn't appreciate that life is so short - now I know that was a simplistic outlook. My daughter's husband is a supposedly devout Muslim that I've grown to strongly dislike over the years and she has chosen to distance herself from me and the rest of her family in order to make him happy.  When they started dating 7 years ago, I welcomed him into the family but gradually came to realize that he is not a good person. Just some of the reasons are that he talked her into an abortion that eventally drove her to attempt suicide, tried to scam me out of $15,000, and now refuses to let her come visit me because I'm not a Muslim and I'm divorced. She is planning to move with him to live with his family in Pakistan and raise a family there. Most likely I will never know my grandchildren, especially since they will be raised in a household where Americans are not respected (they think we're all like what they've seen on MTV via satellite). When I try to put my feelings aside and be a part of her life, she invents reasons to blame and hurt me, so I've been forced to distance myself just for self-preservation. I am completely heartbroken and have no idea what to do.
i am really trying to help as many people as i can, as a muslim , to understand our religion. in islam god is first and your parents blessing is second. so your parents support and blessing are significant. abortion is a sin and its punishment is hell. and stealing is a sin and its punishment is hell. so this man is not a muslim by any means...he is a controlling animal. while in america if your daughter if she divorces him she will get her kids....but if they go back to pakistan it is the fathers right. your daughter needs to open her eyes if not for herself for her children. this man could easliy go and remarry a muslim woman if she doesn't obide by his rules when in pakistan. you need not to give up and keep talking because even if she acts like she hates you she is listening.......especially when it comes to her children especially if she has daughers....does she really want her children living the life she has had to live.
 
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November 15, 2007, 10:25 am PST

it is not that easy

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Abdullah is only using Katherine to get his US visa.
when a woman tries to get a visa for her husband it is not easy. they have to be married for a suggested time and have to pass interviews with the consulant at the embassy. they doa background check on the male to see if he has been in jail or has had any association with any groups that have caused problems.
 
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November 15, 2007, 10:33 am PST

i am sorry for your expericence

Quote From: paulaharwood

 Dr. Phil:
If you do a follow up to this story, I would like to lend my experience to this family who's daughter is considering marrying this man in Palestine.  I was married to a man from Palestine for 20 years, had 3 children by him and when he decided to dump me for another woman, there was hell to pay for me.  Not only did he cheat on me, lie to me and bilk me out of a lifetime of earnings we had built together with 2 successful real estate companies, but he dragged me through the mud with many dirty tactics to try and ruin my character and standing in the community.  When these men are through with you, they will trash you like you cannot imagine.  And this has not only happened to me.  I know of other women this has happened to.
These men will be charming and can appear to be stable, but let me tell you, there is an evil abusive side to them, particularly when challenged by a woman.
This young girl who is planning on geting married to her Palestinain fiance had better be careful.  She is young, loving and naiive, just as I was when I married my ex-husband.  By the way, we have been divorced for 2 years now and he still is very nasty and abusive to me.
There are subtle traits in these men that rear their ugly head when you do not comply to what they want.
Thank you for listening to me.
Paula Harwood
p.s. I have been to Palestine and Jordan and know first hand what it is like to live there.
i am sorry for your experience but why does it have to be all arabic, muslim or palestinian men. that is not fair. just like in any culture their are good people and bad people. american men have done the same to their wives to the extent of killing their wives and kids so they could have a life. don't get me wrong if any  man calls you names or withholds you from having relations with your parents he is no good for you. i don't condone abdullah at all. but my husband is a good muslim man who was raised in jordan and i was raised here. he is very respectful and treats me with respect. he is appreciative of me and i have full independence and complete trust from him.
 
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November 18, 2007, 10:11 am PST

i have been reading the message boards nd

i think some people are taking this opportunity talking about what the country is called palestine or isreal; where the guy is from; the culture and how she is not allowed to wear those clothes. WHO CARES? i am from palestine and i think this girl NEEDS to get home. the girl is brainwashed by this man. he has abused her verbally and looking at him physically too. he thinks he is in control of her because she has no one. but this is not because of where he is from, what he believes in, or his culture. he is an abusive man and we have those in every country, every state, every city, every neighborhood in the world. we hear stories daily. my husband is from jordan and i am was born and raised here and he treats me with respect and doesn't tell me what to do or what to think. my parents have been married for over 35 years and my dad has never abused my mother. the stories could go on and on. this man is a bad apple like many we see now.the biggest mistake this girl made was going to him. if he loved her he would have came here and met her and her family. when she went there she proved to him that she would do what he wanted. THE POINT IS THIS IS ABOUT A GIRL WHO NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT HOME CLOSER TO HER PARENTS AND PEOPLE WHO LOVE HER.

 

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