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April 21, 2006, 2:47 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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I am very shocked at what I heard from this man about not wanting his child. I am pregnant, and I would be completly crushed if the father of my child, whether he was my husband, boyfriend, even just a guy friend didn't want to have anything to do with our child. I see his point about the equal rights, and he seemed like a nice man, but how could anyone evil or not, want nothing to do with something that is a part of them. A child is a wonderful gift to me.  

The trouble is that women have an instinctive NEED to nurture. Men do not have this strong natural instinct; after all it is women who carry in pregnancy and breastfeed their babies; they are designed that way. The trouble is when a woman is so desperate to be a mother that she tricks an unwilling man into getting her pregnant . She should know that in so doing she will have to assume full responsibility for the baby. Then she can make up her mind whether it is worth it all. If a woman gets pregnant by mistake, which happens all the time, the father should have the right to refuse to support the baby if the mother will not either abort or give the baby up for adoption. I told my son as he got into his teens that as a 'man' he has to be so careful because the woman has all the rights. I told him that if a girl he has sex with gets pregnant he can be saddled for 21 years supporting that child; a BIG price to pay when he has ZERO power once a girl is pregnant. It is not fair but until the laws change and give equal rights to our boys, they are 'screwed'!
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:01 pm PDT

Men and boys, you have no rights!

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This is to the father that was on the show with his lawyer.  This father said that his civil rights were violated by not having a choice in the decision of having a child.  He therefore thought that he should not have to pay for his child.  His reason was that he did not agree to have a baby, and should therefore not have to pay.  

   

Let's think about it this way:  People do not choose to get into a car accident.  However, when you drive a car, you know that there is a risk everytime that you get behind the wheel.  If a car accident happens, you have to pay.  It is not a choice, it is the law.  If this guy is going to have unprotected sex, he assumed the risk of pregnancy-regardless of the fact that the woman said she could not get pregnant.  Even if he wore a condom (which he did not), he still assums the risk.  I can be the best driver in the world, but I assume a risk when I get in the car.  I eve assume risk as a  passenger in a car.  He got this woman pregnant.  He must therefore pay for the result.  His rights were no more violated then the rights of victims of other "accidents."  And to shed a better light on this, no child is an accident.  That child was meant to be here.  He can choose to not be a part of that child's life-which is his loss-but he must financially pay for the consequences of his actions.  

You say HE got HER pregnant. No, no, no...she got herself pregnant by him. Why do we make the man out to be 'the perpertrator' or 'the guilty party'? Using the car accident analogy...if she deliberately crashed her car into his car she would have to pay all her own expenses and his. I have told my daughters that THEY have to take ALL of the responsibility when it comes to birth control because THEY ALONE will be the ones to undergo an abortion or a pregnancy. Women have to make sure there is a condom to protect themselves. Men should also assume ALL the responsibility because, the way the law stands now, HE will have to abide by HER wishes once she is pregnant. Boys and sons, you do not have equal rights so be very careful!
 
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April 12, 2007, 5:41 am PDT

04/11 Anna Nicole Smith: Family Controversy

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Howard was giving drugs to Anna when she was in the hospital while Larry was visiting her.  He knew darn well that Larry was the father!
Dear Frillyfroo,

One look at that baby's face and one could see it was Burkhardt's child with the Scandinavian/German wider face, fair hair and tiny nose...definitely not Howard Stern's Jewish features.
 
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May 21, 2007, 4:03 pm PDT

05/14 The Dr. Phil House: "Make My Kid a Star"

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 So if I had to be really honest with myself I'd say I saw a little of myself in a couple of these moms.  I know Dr. Phil did this show to help those of us who are in this business and need to step back and analyze our situation so for all of the people who think this show was done just for ratings and all the moms out there who have child actors I ask you to please be honest with yourself and see if you fit the profile of any of these ladies. 

I think I find myself as a cross between Kiki & Susan.  Kiki is rational and supportive, but she pushes Gracie at times when she needs a moment of space.  Perfectly normal I think- all moms do this occasionally.  Susan is a bit of a perfectionist and doesn't let Meagan think for herself. Susan pushes Meagan to the point that she is almost in tears and then yells at Meagan for getting upset.  I regret to say that I have done this in the past. As for the rest of the moms....Psychoooooo! 

I think what I am taking out of all of this is that it may have been the childs idea to start this business, but once the mom gets her mind around stardom she becomes obsessed!  I find myself always torn between letting my son fail if he decides not to rehearse or if I should push him because he will thank me later.  I think of it like making your child do homework or practice piano even when he would rather play outside.  I took piano as a kid and I didn't practice and eventually my parents made me quit.   I wanted to take piano, but I didn't like to practice.  Now i could kick myself and my parents for not making me stick with it because I can sing and write lyrics, but I can't play an instrument and I ask myself all the time if they should have forced me to practice. I don't have an answer to this question, but I am curious what others might think.

I don't let my child fail at anything.  If he tells me at 10:30 that he forgot he had to have his report ready the next day, I will send him to bed and type it up for him.  If he forgets his lunch money I drive it up to him instead of letting him eat peanut butter & jelly & learn the hard way.  Forgot his  backpack- drive it to his school.  Left homework on the tabel- drive it to the school.  I know that's a problem I just don't know when the right time is to let him fail. 

In the acting business if you don't book work you get dropped by your agent.  If you book work and don't walk on set with it ready you get dropped by the production.  If you gain weight in some cases you get dropped and if you lose weight you can get dropped.  Bad attitude, tardiness, tiredness, almost anything can get you dropped and sometimes it's like a walk on a wire to stay in the business.  Moms know this, but kids don't always get it and they say they want to be actors, but some of them have no idea what it takes to "make it" I know my son doesn't always get it unless it's a role he's just dying to get and then he practices a lot, but commercials don't thrill him and sometimes commercials are the gateway to televison and film. We don't live in LA so film is rare and television is almost obsolete, so commercials are how he pays for trips to LA.  I offer to let him do what he wants if he chooses to give up all of this.  Just the other day on the way to an audition I calmly and gently told him that:

"Daddy and I don't care if you decide to play sports or do something else.  You let us know when you want to quit because I don't want to spend my time and gas money and all of our extra money going to LA and paying for acting classes & headshots if you don't want to hold up your end of the bargain by rehearsing and giving your 100%" 

He immediately started crying & saying:

"I want to act, Mom.  I just get tired of going to auditions and not booking work, but I don't want to quit because it's the one thing I am really good at."  (which is not true because he loves science and has the mind for it)

Now maybe my way of saying it could be looked on negatively and maybe that makes me a stage mom, but honestly, would you want to fork out thousands of dollars if your child wasn't going to be in it 100%?  And the fact that he started crying really bothered me, not in an angry way, but I understood that sometimes the pressure gets to even the most resilient kid, because he has never voiced anything in the 4 years he has been doing this that would make me think that he actually felt rejected until now. 

That's how it is for these kids, but to tell him it's all over because it's too much pressure would make him feel even worse because he would think I didn't think he had what it takes to make it and that would also be a really bad thing to do to his tender little spirit.  SO what do I do?  He has what it takes when he wants to give his 100% and that's not just my opinion.  He has a good agency and a manager that believe in him because they have seen his work.

Another thing parents on the outside who say, "let your kid be a kid and not worry about acting till later" don't realize that unless kids were wiped from movie screens there will always be that kid  who WILL take the part and it's the kids who spend all these young years taking lessons and booking work that sometimes already have a bridge to a career as an adult.  I know- has been child stars...blah blah blah, but there are just as many success stories of kids who started out around 10ish and are now big time actors.  It's hard for an adult to break into the business and much easier for kids. 

I don't kid myself.  I know my son is not the next Josh Hutcherson. (the male Dakota IMO) but he talented and he needs more classes and coaching and obviously, work, even if it's lowq budget or for free, to hone his skills even better. 

Anyway, I have learned some things and I have passed on some knowledge to all of you who don't understand all of this madness.  I'd be lying if I said I didn't want my kid to make it.  His dreams are my dreams and I have always said that perhaps he will not be an actor and all of this training and auditioning is preparing him for another field that will require these skills.  He may be a pastor.  He may be a scientist, he may be a lawyer or a missionary, but I don't believe God gave him these gifts for no reason and I know that the oppertunities that he has had are all in a plan to shape who God wants him to become.  I just need to step out of the way and let that happen naturally failures and all.
I am writing about your concern that you do not let your child fail at anything. You take his forgotten backpack to school, type his assignment when he has left it too late. I am sure we have all done this on occasion just as we would want a member of the family to bring a forgotten lunch to us if we had left for work without it. But I would urge you NOT to do this if he is continually forgetful however or else you are training him...to be dependent, lazy and irresponsible. My 3 children set their own alarms from age 7 or 8 on and they got themselves up and came down to breakfast. If they missed the school bus then of course I had to drive them but I don't even recall if it ever happened. If it had happened repeatedly then they would have had to walk to school even if it meant that I drove along nearby. My kids took responsibility for themselves bit by bit as I thought that they were mature enough to handle it. If you cover for your kids repeatedly they will not learn that there are consequences in this world for irresponsibility. If they don't 'get it' young they will be late for their jobs, turn in poor work and not follow through on promises to friends and family...resulting in losing their jobs, letting down their friends and family and feeling disappointed in themselves. We want our kids to grow up to have good character and so letting them fail in small ways....no lunch, no school bag...is good training. I would not let a child not to his homework. He must sit down and do it, THEN he can go out to play. Speaking of piano practice. My children had to do their hour of violin or piano practice from age 4 right up through their teens, every single day of the year...and I sat with them every evening coaching them. Like Larissa I was very committed. My feeling was that if they did not practice it was akin to not going to school. There is no choice in these matters. Children MUSt do certain things such as doing chores or keeping their rooms clean if that is important to us....or doing their homework or instrument practice. We may not feel like doing something but it is part of learning commitment and responsibility. We do things whether we want to do it or not because it is our duty. I pay for the lessons that they want. The teacher does a good job. The child works hard. We are all doing our part. If my child really wanted to quit music (after age 12) that would have been fine...sad for me...but fine. But they were really good at playing their instruments by that age...like Larissa's musical and talented boys. It is due to hard work, lots of parental encouragement and yes, enforcement and once they reach a high level their involvment with their instruments is part of who they are...and they don't want to quit. Their friends are in the same milieu and there are a lot of perks such as traveling with a large city youth orchestra around the world which is what my daughters did. So I say, in the small stuff, let them 'fail' or go without...that is character building as my grandmother would say. With the big stuff there are obligations and they must do what is expected of them. They will thank you in the long run...as my now 'just grown up', responsible and hard working kids have done.
 
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May 23, 2007, 3:22 pm PDT

Dr Phil,

I can't believe that you have missed that the son in law has everyone manipulated. It works to his advantage to turn everyone against Virginia. You know the pattern of abusive men who isolate their woman and control their minds. He has got his wife wrapped around his little finger...and pulled the wool over your eyes too!

His blatant arrogance, disrespect and mocking attitude towards Virginia was unbearable to witness especially when you didn't flinch at any of it.

I have found a pattern here of how you deal with mothers/older women.. i really don't know. Older women should be treated with more respect. I cannot believe the way you spoke to her and treated her. Mothers are mothers forever and Virginia is torn apart because her daughter was seriously wronged by this CREEP of a guy. You let it go that Virginia is concerned for her grandchild and friends who are smoking up in the garage. The other issue you let go is that the son in law went missing on a few occasions...the daughter called her mother...in effect inviting her mother into the middle of the problem. That guy is as slippery as a snake and his poor wife is completely fooled and so are you!

What you really missed is that this guy is out to get Virginia and is doing his best to get his wife to turn against her. It was unbelievable that HE, the coniving, cheating creep that he is, has the #%&@* NERVE to point his finger at Virginia and tell her that SHE KNEW that they were having an affair! The unmitigated GALL of this low life to blame Virginia in any way in a crisis that was HIS DOING! Throughout the show it was SO OBVIOUS that he was out to crucify Virginia and YOU FELL RIGHT INTO HIS TRAP! The more he alienates his wife from Virginia the more he has her to himself., and the less she will be aware of his antics.

If Virginia reads this, as one mother to another....I would do the same thing, dear. To see your child side with her abuser must be very difficult; your daughter whom carried for 9 months, gave birth to, breast fed, nurtured throughout her childhood, spent a fortune on to enrich her life with activities, wiped away her tears from her first breakup, sacrificed and suffered heart ache right along with her etc, etc...stick by this slimy CREEP and now harm your grandchildren and just continue on this tirade of verbal abuse which I am sure is also directed at his wife....well, it is unbearable. I do not blame virginia in the least for tellilng her daughter to leave the guy especially when her daughter phones her asking her where her husband and Molly are. Virginia must be at her wits end, poor woman.

Just wait, Virginia. Their marriage will not last....he is one angry, obnoxious, self absorbed, lying cheater. A tiger doesn't change its stripes. Give it 6 months and she will dump the guy and being the dedicated mother that you are, you will accept her back with open arms. She will need you...and so will those grandchildren.

Good luck!

A similar aged mother from Montreal
 
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September 5, 2008, 8:29 pm PDT

Preposterous!

Here in the province of Quebec, in Canada, the legal drinking age is 18 so when I see Dr. Phil getting upset about drinking by 18, 19 and 20 year olds it seems so preposterous to me. Granted, young people of this age may not always have great insight or judgement but I think that they are ready to learn to rely on their own judgement, start taking responsibility for their behaviour and to be treated as adults. You can't keep these young adults as dependent children who have to be protected from themselves as 14 and 15 year olds do. Doing this can result in the 18 - 21 year old, in defiance, rebelling against Mommy and Daddy by drinking. My children and their friends were rebelling and sneaking drinks here and there at age 16, 17. By age 18 drinking was not such a big deal anymore. They got it all out of their system at a younger age when parents were more involved and able to watch over them. Canadians are far, far less indulgent than Americans. For example, here no parent would think of buying a car for his child at age 16 or at any age...that would be spoiling the kid. Also, Canadian parents raise their children more strictly and tend to expect more from them. Generally speaking, a higher standard of behaviour is set an early age so kids are trained at a young age to control their own behaviour. So by the time these children are 18 they are really quite mature and sensible. Yes, they may drink but for the most part, they do so responsibly. An 18 year old in Quebec is in his second year of college and so the idea of restricting him from drinking socially, seems really ludicrous. By 18, a well brought up young person should be making most decisions about his life with some guidance from his parents.
 
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December 5, 2008, 2:22 pm PST

12/05 School Discipline: Out of Control?

ONLY IN AMERICA!!!! I think that the teachers handled the situation of the violent student with autism in an ideal fashion. Children, whether they are autistic, preschoolers or 'normal' older children, need consistent, firm consequences to violent, out of control behaviour. The fact that Isabelle is disabled and is an older child underscores the urgent need to get this child on the right track, otherwise she could hurt other children in the classroom, the teachers whom she was attacking and even herself. She was given a chance to cooperate. She had a break for lunch. It was not 3 uninterrupted hours but likely more like 1 hour. Granted, she could have been brought back into the classroom sooner than that such as 15 minutes. My guess would be that these parents are not disciplining Isabelle at home and that is why she is so violent at school and has a problem with authority as Dr Phil stated. The fact that these parents are so up in arms over this issue indicates also that they are not firm parents. Generally discipline in the USA is inadequate which accounts for all the wild teens in your country.

 
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January 10, 2009, 3:25 pm PST

THE OBVIOUS SOLUTION!

Up here in Canada when we hear of your high rate of crime down there to the south of us, we just shake our heads. SO many of you Americans have deluded yourselves into thinking that you NEED guns in your homes to protect yourselves. And what ends up happening? Children, disturbed adolescents, certain desperate, depressed people, drug crazed individuals, volatile types with anger management issues just open a drawer in the heat of the moment most of them, and use that gun that is meant to protect you AGAINST you!!! Here are the stats: In 2000 the United States' rate for robberies was 65 percent higher, its rate for aggravated assault was more than double and its murder rate was triple that of Canada. And that is per capita so it has nothing to do with our smaller population.
Your government talks about how our border is lax and we let terrorists into your country. Well, it goes both ways because guns are coming across the border in this direction and the criminal element is armed and that is a big threat to our citizens.

Myself, I have never even SEEN a real gun. We are not allowed to own guns here in Canada. Only hunters own guns which are registered. But there is a loophole. There are also shooting clubs that permit guns but 'apparently' there are police checks and strict regulations such as keeping the gun at the club locked etc... But wouldn't you know it, that poor disturbed, boy from India living here in Montreal got his family members to sign that he was of sound mind and was responsible enough to own an AK47!!! And the result was the Dawson College massacre several years ago.

Canadians are very concerned about the number of guns that there are in circulation that get past the border and are even acquired by legal means as I mentioned above.

Wake up America and smell the gunpowder! It is coming from the smoking guns that are stored under your own beds! Get rid of them and sleep soundly at night!
 
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January 10, 2009, 3:31 pm PST

01/07 Omaha Mall Shooting: A Mother’s Guilt

Quote From: getrealtime

Anything can be made into a weapon of convenience, a hand , a knife, a car, a plane, and a toothbrush.ect. If was not a AK-47 then it would of been something else this young man would of used.

So please explain how  banding  the AK-47 will help and stop acts like these from happening??? If this person could not get his hands on a gun then he would of used the next thing that could be used as a weapon like a car killing just as many if not more. Its not the tool used to kill its the person using that tool that kills and thats the bigger issue and is impossible to stop, so people like you go to the gun as if the gun killed and not the person behind the gun to make yourself feel like you are doing something when in fact you are like the parents of this young man ignoring what is , because it is easier.

In 2000 the United States' rate for robberies was 65 percent higher, its rate for aggravated assault was more than double and its murder rate was triple that of Canada. The MORE weapons there are available to unstable, suicidal, depressed, angry, drug crazed, psychotic, desperate, angry people, the MORE LIKELY they are to use them. Taking a line of Dr. Phil's...Create a target rich environment. I know that he applies that to dieting. If you have an environment with no tempting foods you are more likely to succed with a diet. The same goes with weapons. If there are no guns around, people are less likely to kill, plain and simple. A gun kills from a distance. A knife is messy and often requires a fight. Just look again at our stats up here in Canada and wake up and smell the gunpowder! The smoking guns are under your own beds, America!
 
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January 10, 2009, 3:32 pm PST

You reap what you sow.

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You comparing the mother on the show to some of these parents that are posting? The mother on the show walked away she didn't spend her time looking for help for her son she let others support her son and they didn't do a good job of it. Are we going to see children from good homes go bad, sure we are but its NO where compared to the to the children that come from homes that abuse them. Look at our prisons they are not filled with children from good homes they are filled with men and women that come from parents that abandon them abused them ignored them, this has a impact on us when we allow people like this to  breed. The mother on this show does have a part in who her child became she did not do what she needed to do to protect her child, she did what was easier for her to do and that was walk away and let this child be raised by abuse, sexual and phyical. She did not fight for him advocate for him she just gave birth to him and left him.

 

I would like to know how you came up with that if this kid was raised with love and not sexual and phyical abuse he would still be the same person dealing with the same issues.

Exactly,...you reap what you sow.
 

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